Hungarian Grand Prix Discussion Thread

[Waris]

What a wonderful wacky wild race. This is what I was hoping would happen. Not even being chauvinistic about Max's performance here, although that certainly didn't hurt. (In fact, right up until the finish I was confused because I thought he still needed to take his drive-through penalty...)

Gutted for Kimi though. He did so well and the car let him down. I hope Ferrari won't judge him on this "result".

Nice to see blue uniforms on the podium, especially Kvjat, I'm curious to see what more he has in store. But mostly, among all the wacky rejectful results and events, this race confirmed to me what a good driver Vettel is and also what a good driver Hamilton is. Sure, you can whine about Hamilton all you want, but messing up so badly, being all the way out of the points and keeping your head down, not giving up but going for anything you can get and still recovering to finish 6th and keeping the championship lead (although admittedly that was not entirely by his own doing) is the mark of a great driver IMHO.

I'd say this was the best race so far this year!

[Miguel98]

What a crazy, good race!! Second year in a row Hungaroring produces a great race!

Vettel did a perfect race, although I ask what could happen if Ricky and Rosberg hadn't tangled (racing incident. The fault is the tyre's beeing complete and utter garbage). Unlucky Rosberg, losing points despite driving a better race than Lewis, who spent most of the time wasting everything he could.

Also, MCLAREN WITH A TOP 5. CELEBRATE.
And the ammount of penalties Pastor got. only jesus

[Enforcer]

I'm gonna stick my neck on the line and say Ricciardo/Rosberg was a racing incident; blame for it goes 50/50.

Agree, they were both at fault.

Ricciardo didn't make contact, but he was waaay to far back for it to be reasonable to try to overtake. If you have to lock up to make the corner and then straight line at the apex, then you were too far away. Not a safe move, bro.

The thing is, we praise drivers for making aggressive, late moves. Sato, Kobayashi, Hamilton being the big ones in the last decade, and Ricciardo's capable of being quite aggressive as well. But a driver makes a lot of late aggressive moves, they will overcook it sometimes. And on this occasion, Ricciardo paid for making such a late move by losing a place.

Rosberg on the other hand should've been a lot more aware of where Ricciardo was on corner exit, and not tried to squeeze him. And he paid for that.

[Nuppiz]

Overall the race was great, as you really couldn't be sure about anyone's position until the chequered flag fell.

Shame though that it ended badly from a Finnish perspective, the famous Italian reliability took out Kimi and Scumbag Max took out Bottas.

[Paul Hayes]

What a race!

Well done to Vettel for keeping his head while all behind him were losing theirs, and for not being phased by the lead he'd done so well to build up having been wiped-out by the safety car.

Amazing to think we've had a race where the Mercedes cars started on the front row, both finished in full working order, but neither of them were on the podium.

[dr-baker]

This race seemed to have an element of Formula E about it. Most Formula E races are calm during the first half, and go manic once everybody has switched to their second car at the mid-way point. Until Hulkenberg's wing departed, the only real interest in the race was Lewis's bad 1st lap and recovery. The race only got silly-interesting subsequent to that...

[Alextrax52]

I too think that the Rosberg/Ricciardo incident was a 50/50 one. Ricciardo seemed to be doing his best Kobayashi impression and it was a bit reckless to be doing it from that far back. In his defence you could argue what else was he supposed to try given the notorious lack of passing opportunities at the Hungaroring and the power deficit RBR face plus the fact it was the best car on the grid he was trying to pass as well. Rosberg should have realised that Daniel would still be alongside him after the move though and he couldn't have just expected him not to be there. F1Fanatic reported that Rosberg assumed Ricciardo would give him space and took his line as normal

[AndreaModa]

If people think Ricciardo's move was reckless and wrong, I suggest they take a look at Villeneuve's moves alongside Arnoux at Dijon in 1979. That seems to be the de-facto reference in any argument about overtaking and close racing.

It was wild, but he didn't plough into a disappearing gap, Rosberg gave him plenty of room, and in my eyes it was a ballsy opportunistic move at a track notorious for its difficulty in overtaking, DRS or not. I'm not a huge Ricciardo fan, but I like his style, and I respect him for having the guts to stand on everything and go for it when too many drivers are happy to pootle round and not really risk anything.

Not enough drivers are brave enough to "throw it down the inside". You see it much more in bike racing, but car drivers, certainly in F1 are far more conservative. I think it's a cultural thing, and I'm not criticising it because it makes moments like Ricciardo's move today all the more memorable. Look at Hill's move on Schumi in 1997, or Piquet's in 86 (or 87?) at the same corner. Okay neither locked up like Daniel but both were ballsy moves that weren't straightforward. He deserves credit for giving it a good go, not lambasted.

[Fetzie]

If people think Ricciardo's move was reckless and wrong, I suggest they take a look at Villeneuve's moves alongside Arnoux at Dijon in 1979. That seems to be the de-facto reference in any argument about overtaking and close racing.
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He deserves credit for giving it a good go, not lambasted.

Yeah, if we want drivers to overtake, we can't drop them in the reject tank if they happen to misjudge it. Now, if it happens every. -ing. time. then sure, they deserve all the drop-kicks they get. The Hungaroring is notoriously hard to over-take at. We should be glad that some of the drivers wanted to dispel that prejudice against the track (which isn't undeserved, was it three years ago when we had one over-take in the entire race outside of the pit lane?).

Sure,. they're going to get it wrong. Stuff happens, that's racing. But i'd rather see overtakes, even if they were a bit "iffy", over a procession from lights to flag.

[DanielPT]

It was a great race. I must say I was reluctant in watching it, but this day, this answer that F1 gave after a very dark week, was probably the best tribute made to Jules Bianchi, to his career and to his life as a racer. I like to think that he is still smiling because of it, wherever he is now...

[lgaquino]

2) Can we PLEASE make the tyres stronger? OK, that might not have helped Nico much, but I'm sick of tiny little touches on the rear tyre ruining people's races like it did for Bottas.

Not sure if making the tyres stronger or regulating the outside of the frontwings. I'm in favour of the latter. There shouldn't be anything after the vertical element on the outside, I think. They're like razor sharp knives!

We should go back to this

[FullMetalJack]

This race seemed to have an element of Formula E about it. Most Formula E races are calm during the first half, and go manic once everybody has switched to their second car at the mid-way point. Until Hulkenberg's wing departed, the only real interest in the race was Lewis's bad 1st lap and recovery. The race only got silly-interesting subsequent to that...

The closest equivalent I can think of was Singapore a few years back, I think it was 2012. First 30-40 laps were so unbelievably dull, after either Karthikeyan's crash or the Schumacher/Vergne crash, things livened up, a lot. I see similarities between that and yesterday's race, except yesterday's race wasn't as boring before the Hulkenberg incident.

[yannicksamlad]

If people think Ricciardo's move was reckless and wrong, I suggest they take a look at Villeneuve's moves alongside Arnoux at Dijon in 1979. That seems to be the de-facto reference in any argument about overtaking and close racing.
[...]
He deserves credit for giving it a good go, not lambasted.

Yeah, if we want drivers to overtake, we can't drop them in the reject tank if they happen to misjudge it. Now, if it happens every. -ing. time. then sure, they deserve all the drop-kicks they get. The Hungaroring is notoriously hard to over-take at. We should be glad that some of the drivers wanted to dispel that prejudice against the track (which isn't undeserved, was it three years ago when we had one over-take in the entire race outside of the pit lane?).

Sure,. they're going to get it wrong. Stuff happens, that's racing. But i'd rather see overtakes, even if they were a bit "iffy", over a procession from lights to flag.

So I'm with this view - we want drivers to have a go, Rosberg/Ricciardo was avoidable surely( either could have lifted/ surrendered, given a a bit more room/squeezed a little less) but we like the commitment.

But if that had been Pastor* in there..would we have blasted him? A little bit ?

* or any other 'least favourite liability'

[DanielPT]

So I'm with this view - we want drivers to have a go, Rosberg/Ricciardo was avoidable surely( either could have lifted/ surrendered, given a a bit more room/squeezed a little less) but we like the commitment.

But if that had been Pastor* in there..would we have blasted him? A little bit ?

* or any other 'least favourite liability'

Nope. I like Pastor. He is quite silly and amusing. I clap hands when he goes! Besides, who else can manage to rack up 3 different penalties during a race? Without him F1 would be quite poorer, bland and a lot more boring.

What I dislike is how some commentators can't do anything other than show contempt for Maldonado. It does nothing for the commentary in itself and makes then come across as unprofessional.

Another thing I don't like is how people bash those who attempt an overtaking move which fails without being reckless or unfair. It is not as Ricciardo forced his way through. He attempted to disrupt Rosberg's line and see if anything came out of it. Rosberg then believed Ricciardo would be forced to back off a bit as he gained the regular line and would have worked with very much another driver but which was a silly thing to think in this case because that move was clearly to gain something going into turn 2. It was a racing incident.

[Wallio]

Truly the race of the year. But am I on the right board? People on here happy for Red Bull? Call Biscone, we've been hacked!

All joking aside, I do think it is in Hamilton's contract he HAS to hit Massa everytime they come near each other. There's no other explanation.

[yannicksamlad]

[quote="DanielPT

Nope. I like Pastor. He is quite silly and amusing. I clap hands when he goes! Besides, who else can manage to rack up 3 different penalties during a race? Without him F1 would be quite poorer, bland and a lot more boring.

What I dislike is how some commentators can't do anything other than show contempt for Maldonado. It does nothing for the commentary in itself and makes then come across as unprofessional.

Another thing I don't like is how people bash those who attempt an overtaking move which fails without being reckless or unfair. It is not as Ricciardo forced his way through. He attempted to disrupt Rosberg's line and see if anything came out of it. Rosberg then believed Ricciardo would be forced to back off a bit as he gained the regular line and would have worked with very much another driver but which was a silly thing to think in this case because that move was clearly to gain something going into turn 2. It was a racing incident.[/quote]

Yes I agree, people are too quick to slam people for a failed passing attempt. It is supposed to be difficult, and often it is!

And personally I quite like Pastor too.

[Dj_bereta]

I don't know why people keep bashing Pastor. In this year he did a great job in some races, like Spain, Monaco, Canada and Austria. He lost a considerable amount of points due the poor reliability of Lotus and this is the main reason he is behind Grosjean. Also, he still outscoring the Frenchman in the last six races by 1 point.

[FullMetalJack]

Nope. I like Pastor. He is quite silly and amusing. I clap hands when he goes! Besides, who else can manage to rack up 3 different penalties during a race? Without him F1 would be quite poorer, bland and a lot more boring.

Definitely, he adds to F1, same way as I imagine Andrea De Cesaris did in the 80s/90s. F1 needs at least one quick/crazy bathplug to add more entertainment to the races.