Unusual F1 Stats

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 29 May 2015, 11:14

Aguaman wrote:Sato's super Super Aguri move was like the only thing I remember from that race.

And they even had fans at the track celebrating! I still want one of the Super Aguri bamboo hats they had

MrMG · Post by **MrMG** » 31 May 2015, 21:53

Might sound a bit morbid, but is 1995 the earliest F1 season where every driver who participated is still alive today?

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 31 May 2015, 22:24

MadGaz85 wrote:Might sound a bit morbid, but is 1995 the earliest F1 season where every driver who participated is still alive today?

Yes. It's weird thinking that four drivers from the previous season are no longer with us

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 31 May 2015, 23:04

MadGaz85 wrote:Might sound a bit morbid, but is 1995 the earliest F1 season where every driver who participated is still alive today?

You're right. Couldn't remember whether Alboreto was involved that year at first, but he wasn't.

GerhardTalger · Post by **GerhardTalger** » 02 Jun 2015, 16:39

I stared at my screen for five minutes who was number 4, to realise De Cesaris actually competed in 94.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 02 Jun 2015, 17:32

I am thankfull that it is 1995 and not 2007 or even this year.....

Izzyeviel · Post by **Izzyeviel** » 07 Jun 2015, 17:44

Is this Canadian GP the first where two Finns have qualified on the same row?

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 07 Jun 2015, 21:21

Now Alonso is the sole driver who failed to score a point in this year (excluding Manor). Worst season for the Spaniard since his debut in 2001 season.

CaptainGetz12 · Post by **CaptainGetz12** » 07 Jun 2015, 21:25

Dj_bereta wrote:Now Alonso is the sole driver who failed to score a point in this year (excluding Manor). Worst season for the Spaniard since his debut in 2001 season.

Magnussen did not score when he stood in for Alonso at Melbourne. But they drove essentially the same car (driver numbers aside), so still only three cars have not scored points so far!

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 07 Jun 2015, 21:40

Izzyeviel wrote:Is this Canadian GP the first where two Finns have qualified on the same row?

I'm afraid not. That was Hakkinen and Lehto sharing the second row in Spain 1994. The next time it happened was Canada 2001 with Raikkonen and Hakkinen sharing the fourth row. It also happened several times with Kovalainen and Raikkonen, sharing the eighth row in Monaco 2007 and the second row in Belgium 2008, as well as Italy 2009 and the ninth row in Australia 2012 (only after Pérez served a grid penalty). Raikkonen was ahead in the latter two events. This isn't even the first time for Raikkonen and Bottas, as they shared the fourth row in Singapore last year with Raikkonen ahead and even this year they shared the third row in China and would have shared the same row in Australia were it not for Bottas' injury.

Yes, I did take the time to find that out :ugeek:

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 18 Jun 2015, 21:12

MadGaz85 wrote:Might sound a bit morbid, but is 1995 the earliest F1 season where every driver who participated is still alive today?

Thinking of it, we have had so many close calls since then - obviously the bottom two in this list are still in bad shape.

Häkkinen - F1 accident, Adelaide 1995
Zanardi - CART accident, Lausitzring 2001
da Matta - CART accident, Elkhart Lake 2006
Massa - F1 accident, Hungaroring 2009
Kubica - rally accident, Italy 2011
Schumacher - skiing accident, France 2013
Bianchi - F1 accident, Suzuka 2014

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 19 Jun 2015, 09:54

Bleu wrote:
MadGaz85 wrote:Might sound a bit morbid, but is 1995 the earliest F1 season where every driver who participated is still alive today?

Thinking of it, we have had so many close calls since then - obviously the bottom two in this list are still in bad shape.

Häkkinen - F1 accident, Adelaide 1995
Zanardi - CART accident, Lausitzring 2001
da Matta - CART accident, Elkhart Lake 2006
Massa - F1 accident, Hungaroring 2009
Kubica - rally accident, Italy 2011
Schumacher - skiing accident, France 2013
Bianchi - F1 accident, Suzuka 2014

One that came immediately to mind for me was Ralf Schumacher's USA crash in 2004. They definitely should have red-flagged that one and restarted it when they knew he was ok. With his brother in the field as well, mind.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 20 Jun 2015, 18:22

Bleu wrote:
MadGaz85 wrote:Might sound a bit morbid, but is 1995 the earliest F1 season where every driver who participated is still alive today?

Thinking of it, we have had so many close calls since then - obviously the bottom two in this list are still in bad shape.

Häkkinen - F1 accident, Adelaide 1995
Zanardi - CART accident, Lausitzring 2001
da Matta - CART accident, Elkhart Lake 2006
Massa - F1 accident, Hungaroring 2009
Kubica - rally accident, Italy 2011
Schumacher - skiing accident, France 2013
Bianchi - F1 accident, Suzuka 2014

David Coulthard has to be added to this list. He was in a plane crash in 2000 which claimed the lives of the pilot and co-pilot.

MrMG · Post by **MrMG** » 28 Jun 2015, 16:52

Burti probably could be added to the list too. His 2001 crash left him a severe concussion and pretty much ended his F1 career.

Plus by looking at the picture of his crash helmet after the accident, it's amazing that this was his only injury sustained!

Rabbi Gordon · Post by **Rabbi Gordon** » 28 Jun 2015, 19:56

If Coulthard's count, then add "Pedro Diniz - F1 accident, 1999 Nürburgring" to this list.
He escaped relatively unhurt, but it was entirely by chance, that he didn't get crushed.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 29 Jun 2015, 19:36

I tried to list only cases where driver suffered injuries serious enough to be in danger - basically ignoring serious incidents with lucky, injury-free escapes.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 03 Jul 2015, 15:46

Countries by driver unrejectifications

Argentina - 6/25 (24%)
Australia - 5/17 (29.4%)
Austria - 6/16 (37.5%)
Belgium - 8/23 (34.8%)*
Brazil - 15/31 (48.4%)
Canada - 2/13 (15.4%)
Chile - 1/1 (100%)
Colombia - 1/3 (33.3%)
Czech Republic - 0/1 (0%)
Denmark - 1/5 (20%)
East Germany - 0/4 (0%)
Finland - 7/9 (77.8%)
France - 28/70 (40%)
(West) Germany - 18/51 (35.3%)
Hungary - 0/1 (0%)
India - 1/2 (50%)
Ireland - 1/5 (20%)
Italy - 40/98 (40.8%)
Japan - 5/20 (25%)
Liechtenstein - 0/1 (0%)
Malaysia - 0/1 (0%)
Mexico - 4/6 (66.7%)
Monaco - 1/3 (33.3%)
Morocco - 0/1 (0%)
Netherlands - 2/16 (12.5%)
New Zealand - 4/8 (50%)
Poland - 1/1 (100%)
Portugal - 1/5 (20%)
Rhodesia - 1/5 (20%)
Russia - 2/2 (100%)
South Africa - 2/23 (8.7%)
Spain - 5/15 (33.3%)
Sweden - 5/10 (50%)
Switzerland - 6/24 (25%)
Thailand - 1/1 (100%)
United Kingdom - 50/160 (31.3%)
United States - 43/157 (27.4%)**
Uruguay - 0/4 (0%)
Venezuela - 1/3 (33.3%)
Total - 274/841 (32.6%)***

* Includes Bertrand Gachot, who raced under the Belgian flag at time of unrejectification
** Includes Indy 500 drivers
*** There are differing conclusions on how many F1 drivers there have been. Wikipedia was used for the above total.

Aguaman · Post by **Aguaman** » 03 Jul 2015, 17:33

France is better than I expected.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 03 Jul 2015, 18:30

By the looks of it, South-Africa has the most reject spirit written all over them. Despite their local entrants every year, its somewhat surprising very few of these drivers could get their big break, or even tried to get their break.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 03 Jul 2015, 21:31

This wrote:By the looks of it, South-Africa has the most reject spirit written all over them. Despite their local entrants every year, its somewhat surprising very few of these drivers could get their big break, or even tried to get their break.

With such a low rate of unrejectification, it's maybe more surprising/unlikely that one of them went on to become a WDC...

razta · Post by **razta** » 04 Jul 2015, 18:13

Here's a stat!

The last time someone one from Pole in Silverstone was 2009 - Seb Vettel.
Since then, Pole hasn't really been a good place to start from.

MorbidelliObese · Post by **MorbidelliObese** » 19 Jul 2015, 22:23

Bertrand Gachot and Roberto Moreno both set their only F1 fastest race laps in the race before they were replaced in their team by Michael Schumacher. In consecutive races.

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 26 Jul 2015, 14:26

I've thinking some weird trends here but the most interesting races in V6T era now is when...... a car flipped during race weekend :shock:

2014 Bahrain GP
2014 German GP
and now 2015 Hungarian GP

although some other doesn't need flips, but still

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 26 Jul 2015, 14:39

AxelP800 wrote:I've thinking some weird trends here but the most interesting races in V6T era now is when...... a car flipped during race weekend

2014 Bahrain GP
2014 German GP
and now 2015 Hungarian GP

although some other doesn't need flips, but still

Well "interesting" is a very subjective term. For example, I thought Hungary and Monaco 2014 were more interesting than Germany and I don't remember any car flipping in either of those two races

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 26 Jul 2015, 14:43

Apologies for double-posting, but on a different note Max Verstappen is the second driver ever to unrejectify himself on the Hungaroring, the first being his father Jos.

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 26 Jul 2015, 14:44

Simtek wrote:
AxelP800 wrote:I've thinking some weird trends here but the most interesting races in V6T era now is when...... a car flipped during race weekend

2014 Bahrain GP
2014 German GP
and now 2015 Hungarian GP

although some other doesn't need flips, but still

Well "interesting" is a very subjective term. For example, I thought Hungary and Monaco 2014 were more interesting than Germany and I don't remember any car flipping in either of those two races

Yes it is, but the flips does help a bit.

Simtek wrote:Apologies for double-posting, but on a different note Max Verstappen is the second driver ever to unrejectify himself on the Hungaroring, the first being his father Jos.

^^^^^

AustralianStig · Post by **AustralianStig** » 26 Jul 2015, 22:44

Was that the first time we've seen three drivers from the Red Bull Academy on the podium? Dr Marko must have needed a cold shower after that.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 26 Jul 2015, 23:08

AustralianStig wrote:Was that the first time we've seen three drivers from the Red Bull Academy on the podium? Dr Marko must have needed a cold shower after that.

Indeed it was, well spotted

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 27 Jul 2015, 02:11

Simtek wrote:
AustralianStig wrote:Was that the first time we've seen three drivers from the Red Bull Academy on the podium? Dr Marko must have needed a cold shower after that.

Indeed it was, well spotted

Well top 4 are from RedBull juniors

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 30 Jul 2015, 01:09

Was Hungary the first time Vettel won two races with the same helmet design?

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 30 Jul 2015, 18:57

Simtek wrote:Was Hungary the first time Vettel won two races with the same helmet design?

I noticed in Hungary the stripes of the flag part of the helmet had a chromed effect on it but i'm not sure if they did have this in Malaysia, I would like to see pictures to compare, but I think Seb has been subtly changing the design of his helmet over the course of the season

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 30 Jul 2015, 20:04

On a related aside, does Seb have the same few helmets repainted each year, or does he have a brand new helmet each race? How often do helmets get replaced?

tBone · Post by **tBone** » 02 Aug 2015, 22:08

I was thinking lately, there is only one driver I can name who won a World Championship F1 race in every year he competed: Lewis Hamilton.

Lots of others are quite close: Vettel only didn't win a single race in 2007 and 2014, Fangio in 1958, Nino Farina in 1955 and so on. Most later drivers missed out on their debut season(s), because they debuted in less capable cars.

Have I missed someone or should Lewis stop soon enough to keep this unique statistic?

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 02 Aug 2015, 23:35

tBone wrote:I was thinking lately, there is only one driver I can name who won a World Championship F1 race in every year he competed: Lewis Hamilton.

Lots of others are quite close: Vettel only didn't win a single race in 2007 and 2014, Fangio in 1958, Nino Farina in 1955 and so on. Most later drivers missed out on their debut season(s), because they debuted in less capable cars.

Have I missed someone or should Lewis stop soon enough to keep this unique statistic?

Hmm. I wonder how many drivers one could name who have been in the best or second-best car on the grid every season of their career, full-stop, however? Even in 2009, McLaren's time in the doldrums was averted by Germany, where they were fighting for podiums and wins for the majority of the season thereon in.

Rabbi Gordon · Post by **Rabbi Gordon** » 03 Aug 2015, 12:18

tBone wrote:I was thinking lately, there is only one driver I can name who won a World Championship F1 race in every year he competed: Lewis Hamilton.

Lots of others are quite close: Vettel only didn't win a single race in 2007 and 2014, Fangio in 1958, Nino Farina in 1955 and so on. Most later drivers missed out on their debut season(s), because they debuted in less capable cars.

Have I missed someone or should Lewis stop soon enough to keep this unique statistic?

Nope, you didn't miss anybody. Though I feel that Lewis doesn't deserve this distinction.
Was the BRM flat 16 more reliable, he wouldn't have it, was Fangio actually caring about 1958, he wouldn't have it.
Asides those you mentioned, JACKIE STEWART, Luigi Fagioli and Gunnar Nilsson are really close too.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 03 Aug 2015, 19:55

Rabbi Gordon wrote:
tBone wrote:I was thinking lately, there is only one driver I can name who won a World Championship F1 race in every year he competed: Lewis Hamilton.

Lots of others are quite close: Vettel only didn't win a single race in 2007 and 2014, Fangio in 1958, Nino Farina in 1955 and so on. Most later drivers missed out on their debut season(s), because they debuted in less capable cars.

Have I missed someone or should Lewis stop soon enough to keep this unique statistic?

Nope, you didn't miss anybody. Though I feel that Lewis doesn't deserve this distinction.
Was the BRM flat 16 more reliable, he wouldn't have it, was Fangio actually caring about 1958, he wouldn't have it.
Asides those you mentioned, JACKIE STEWART, Luigi Fagioli and Gunnar Nilsson are really close too.

I'm not sure why Lewis Hamilton doesn't deserve this distinction. One might argue that he didn't graduate to an F1 seat with McLaren on merit - though his junior racing career was better than Gary Paffett's, Pedro de la Rosa was a solid but unspectacular driver - but since then, his ability to be in a race-winning car each season is indicative of good career management, and he managed to win in some not-so-great (though admittedly never appalling) cars (the 2009 McLaren springs to mind) and he's been so good at qualifying (I believe he also has a pole from every season) that he puts himself in a good position to win races.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 03 Aug 2015, 20:35

One related fact I read a while ago, and which I believe continues to hold true, is that Jenson Button has never had a teammate win a race in a season in which he too has not won a race. In other words, whenever Jenson has been in a race-winning chassis, he has managed to win a race.

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 08 Aug 2015, 16:14

After Maldonado's penalty-ridden race, I was thinking that 3 is quite a lot of penalties to accumulate in one race! But has anybody ever accumulated more? Either over the race weekend or just in the race itself, I wonder what the most penalties anyone has accumulated at one time is

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 08 Aug 2015, 16:33

Rob Dylan wrote:After Maldonado's penalty-ridden race, I was thinking that 3 is quite a lot of penalties to accumulate in one race! But has anybody ever accumulated more? Either over the race weekend or just in the race itself, I wonder what the most penalties anyone has accumulated at one time is

Button and Alonso in Canada.....

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 08 Aug 2015, 18:53

Touché, touché!