F1 Rejects Track Designing Competition

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 09 Jul 2016, 22:33

1. TheFlyingCaterham
2. dr-baker

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 11 Jul 2016, 20:38

1. Aislabie
2. TheFlyingCaterham

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 18 Jul 2016, 12:59

I think we've waited long enough.

1. TheFlyingCaterham - 16
2. Aislabie - 10
3. dr-baker - 8
4. watka - 6

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 21 Jul 2016, 23:12

So, you know how Monza has plans to bypass Curva Grande and make an entirely new section of track? This challenge requires you to do something quite similar: to add/bypass a section of a circuit and try to make it good for driving/racing on. I will also look at how safe the new section is, and how practical it is.

Requirements:
Must be a permanent circuit you are modifying, and that section of circuit must also be permanent. I would also prefer that you stick mainly to the original layout you are modifying, but if you want to do something like what Tilke did to the Mexico City circuit, I'm fine with that.
Circuit must be between 4-6km (2.5-3.75mi) long.
Keep safety of the section in mind as well.

Tell me if I've managed to miss something/the rules aren't clear enough.

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 22 Jul 2016, 01:13

http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=540264

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 22 Jul 2016, 03:10

A combination of the original and modern layouts of the Bishopscourt Circuit in Northern Ireland (why are there so many airfields in County Down?): http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6914975

Link to real circuit maps: http://theracingline.net/racingcircuits ... Court.html

Warning: Layout may be tweaked before time for final judgment.

AdrianBelmonte_ · Post by **AdrianBelmonte_** » 22 Jul 2016, 04:52

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6915007

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 22 Jul 2016, 05:47

Normal32 wrote:http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=540264

Looking from the fact that there are houses within the circuit, and small parts of the circuit do link a little bit of roads together, I'd argue that the course isn't permanent and so doesn't count. The rule here is in the gray area though so I'll allow you to keep this entry, but I'll warn you now I most likely won't rate it very high.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 22 Jul 2016, 14:06

A 3.6 mile re-imagining of the Red Bull Ring, Austria.

Please note that on Sunday I go travelling and have no idea how often I'll be online. If we assume the answer is not very often at all, then the challenge I would like to nominate is the one I mentioned before about a low-drag slipstreaming circuit. Ta

Post by **Ataxia** » 22 Jul 2016, 16:17

In my opinion, there are two things wrong with the Circuit of the Americas. First of all, the top straight is way too long. Secondly, the "infield" section is just a little bit rubbish. Hence, I've lopped off a good amount of the top straight without compromising the overtaking points, and created a sector afterwards that is less of a complete Hockenheim rip-off (and perhaps more of a Nurburgring rip-off, but whatevs). This leads into a section that is now faster, as turn 19 has been opened up and now leads into a chicane, a nice place to get an overtake done before the start-finish line. This then leads into a final corner that makes the main straight the centre-piece.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6915414

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 22 Jul 2016, 16:19

Brands Hatch adapted: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6915409
Graham Hill Bend opened opened up to a faster bend, plus an addition to the Grand Prix loop, hopefully considered to be in keeping with the overall flow of the circuit, and entirely within the grounds of the MSV track.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 22 Jul 2016, 18:29

Cant do what i wanted to do due the maximum allowed length not being long enough so this will have to do

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6915519

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 22 Jul 2016, 18:41

TheFlyingCaterham wrote:
Normal32 wrote:http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=540264

Looking from the fact that there are houses within the circuit, and small parts of the circuit do link a little bit of roads together, I'd argue that the course isn't permanent and so doesn't count. The rule here is in the gray area though so I'll allow you to keep this entry, but I'll warn you now I most likely won't rate it very high.

In which case, is this any better?: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6915533

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 22 Jul 2016, 22:37

Normal32 wrote:
TheFlyingCaterham wrote:
Normal32 wrote:http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=540264

Looking from the fact that there are houses within the circuit, and small parts of the circuit do link a little bit of roads together, I'd argue that the course isn't permanent and so doesn't count. The rule here is in the gray area though so I'll allow you to keep this entry, but I'll warn you now I most likely won't rate it very high.

In which case, is this any better?: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6915533

Yeah, that entry is fine.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 30 Jul 2016, 00:08

Only a couple more days left....

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 30 Jul 2016, 03:34

1. Ataxia
2. Simtek
3. dr-baker
4. AdrianBelmonte_
5. Aislabie
6. peteroli34
7. Normal32

The top 2 are pretty close together, as are 3-5. Had he not put as many chicanes onto the actual layout, I reckon Aislabie would've came up on top.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 30 Jul 2016, 08:13

TheFlyingCaterham wrote:Had he not put as many chicanes onto the actual layout, I reckon Aislabie would've came up on top.

Can't argue with Ataxia winning that - I rather like the new COTA. Out of interest, which corners would you have removed from mine?

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 30 Jul 2016, 10:34

Aislabie wrote:
TheFlyingCaterham wrote:Had he not put as many chicanes onto the actual layout, I reckon Aislabie would've came up on top.

Can't argue with Ataxia winning that - I rather like the new COTA. Out of interest, which corners would you have removed from mine?

I would've removed the 1st, 3rd, and maybe the 5th chicane (though if it was kept it would be reconfigured to be faster. I probably would've also made the turn 15-16 bit into one longer corner.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 30 Jul 2016, 13:06

TheFlyingCaterham wrote:
Aislabie wrote:
TheFlyingCaterham wrote:Had he not put as many chicanes onto the actual layout, I reckon Aislabie would've came up on top.

Can't argue with Ataxia winning that - I rather like the new COTA. Out of interest, which corners would you have removed from mine?

I would've removed the 1st, 3rd, and maybe the 5th chicane (though if it was kept it would be reconfigured to be faster. I probably would've also made the turn 15-16 bit into one longer corner.

Makes sense; the first and third were both put in to slow the cars down before areas with limited run-off, and nobody likes that kind of corner.

Post by **Ataxia** » 30 Jul 2016, 13:16

I've...won? I don't think that's ever happened before!

I'll start thinking of a challenge then, I guess...I hadn't really prepared for this.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 06 Aug 2016, 13:26

Ataxia wrote:I've...won? I don't think that's ever happened before!

I'll start thinking of a challenge then, I guess...I hadn't really prepared for this.

And neither have I... Yet it now falls on me, so let's have a think...

Design your own interpretation of the Targa Florio, i.e. an extremely long circuit including treacherous mountain roads, both long straights and tight series of hairpins, maybe throw in some coastline. You don't have to tick all of these boxes, it's just an idea for what I'm looking for.

Oh yes, and Sicily's off limits. It's been done.

Have fun!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 06 Aug 2016, 16:19

Simtek wrote:
Ataxia wrote:I've...won? I don't think that's ever happened before!

I'll start thinking of a challenge then, I guess...I hadn't really prepared for this.

And neither have I... Yet it now falls on me, so let's have a think...

Design your own interpretation of the Targa Florio, i.e. an extremely long circuit including treacherous mountain roads, both long straights and tight series of hairpins, maybe throw in some coastline. You don't have to tick all of these boxes, it's just an idea for what I'm looking for.

Oh yes, and Sicily's off limits. It's been done.

Have fun!

I assume it still has to be Italy? Can it stray into France or Switzerland at all?

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 06 Aug 2016, 16:26

dr-baker wrote:
Simtek wrote:
Ataxia wrote:I've...won? I don't think that's ever happened before!

I'll start thinking of a challenge then, I guess...I hadn't really prepared for this.

And neither have I... Yet it now falls on me, so let's have a think...

Design your own interpretation of the Targa Florio, i.e. an extremely long circuit including treacherous mountain roads, both long straights and tight series of hairpins, maybe throw in some coastline. You don't have to tick all of these boxes, it's just an idea for what I'm looking for.

Oh yes, and Sicily's off limits. It's been done.

Have fun!

I assume it still has to be Italy? Can it stray into France or Switzerland at all?

It can be anywhere in the world

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 06 Aug 2016, 17:56

Here you go. I'll bet you can guess where this is before ever clicking on the link. I call it the Targa Manna. Because

. Like the Targa Florio of 1912-14 and 1948-50, it takes in much more than the Mountain course, it takes in the whole island from the north to south, and from east to west. It is also close to twice the length of the Mountain course. It includes several promenades and quays in Douglas, Castletown, Port Erin, Peel and Ramsey. It goes right past a castle wall, just as the new F1 track in Baku does (it's probably equally as narrow at that point!). I had considered avoiding the mountain section and taking the coastal route from Ramsey to Douglas (via Laxey), a section I love, but I thought I would stay within the theme and keep the mountain (and thus the Ramsey hairpin) in. I cannot imagine this being anything other than a time trial, like the Targa and the TT.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 06 Aug 2016, 18:05

Behold, the Targa Monaco (which was a huge faff on a mobile)

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 06 Aug 2016, 20:43

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6925562

AdrianBelmonte_ · Post by **AdrianBelmonte_** » 07 Aug 2016, 00:47

I messed up a little bit...

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6925716

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 07 Aug 2016, 11:16

Funnily enough, I designed a circuit a couple of hours ago which fit these regulations despite having only seen this thread's challenge for 5 minutes.

http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=545167

Moving away from the mountains this challenge idea originated from, this circuit instead tears through the hilly Australian bush, and a very, very, long and fast 'link' road that heads through one of the main motorways of the city. Also very narrow too, and a lot of the circuit lacks any sort of barriers, so one mistake could go dangerously wrong.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 07 Aug 2016, 11:44

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6925918

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 08 Aug 2016, 17:53

Hong Kong, which as you can see by the ID, I made quite a while ago:
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6521331

Dexter249 · Post by **Dexter249** » 12 Aug 2016, 02:15

Targa California.............................Yeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh very long and based where i am on vacation right now. http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6929437

watka · Post by **watka** » 15 Aug 2016, 20:43

Don't usually get involved in these long track designs but I had an idea this time! Introducing the Scarborough Florio, incorporating Oliver's Mount (one for the bike enthusiasts). Only just over half the length of the Targa Florio but still packs a challenge, with plenty of elevation change.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6932116

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 18 Aug 2016, 21:55

And now, the results:

1. dr-baker
2. UgncreativeUsergname
3. peteroli34
4. watka
5. TheFlyingCaterham
6. Aislabie
7. AdrianBelmonte_
8. Dexter249
9. Normal32

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 18 Aug 2016, 22:17

I wasn't really expecting to win that, even though the track is one of my favourite road trips that I like to take.

Next track challenge!:

Jonathan Palmer's MSV has bought the former Laon-Couvron military airbase to turn into a race track and track day facility. What he wants the track to be is described as:

being a magnificent five-mile circuit, featuring a uniquely long 1.5-mile main straight where top speeds of over 200 mph will be possible, together with fast flowing corners and extensive run-off areas.

So that is the track that you will design. Please begin with the 1.5 mile main straight, and take it from there. I will accept anything ranging from 4.75 to 5.50 miles in length. Go!

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 19 Aug 2016, 03:52

http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=548430

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 19 Aug 2016, 17:53

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6934811

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 19 Aug 2016, 20:06

Normal32 wrote:http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6934811

Sorry Normal, but:

1. That is absolutely nowhere near the Laon-Covron military airbase that Jonathan Palmer has bought, and which is the basis of this challenge;
2. That is just a smigin over the maximum 5.50 mile length.

AdrianBelmonte_ · Post by **AdrianBelmonte_** » 19 Aug 2016, 20:28

I tried

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6934931

Dexter249 · Post by **Dexter249** » 19 Aug 2016, 20:51

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6934953

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 20 Aug 2016, 18:17

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6935539