Alt NASCAR 2004 - Subway 400 Results Up!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 26 Mar 2017, 06:50

So it's about time for a real change of pace in these parts, as NASCAR joins the ranks of alt-universe championships. The mechanics are mostly similar to the original NASCAR 2004 series Samster attempted to start about 3 years ago - new car regulations, Racing Entitlement Contracts (RECs), bids for works support, and more! The big diversion from that series is the axing of the sponsorship system. I'll elaborate more on each system in it's own section, in the post below.

Presently, all you need to do is pick a team, purchase any RECs you wish, and also bid for works support. You can find the list of available teams in this spreadsheet

So without further ado... awaaaaay we gooooo!

Teams
Team assets and budgets will be printed on the spreadsheet - this list will only contain the user managing this team.

Hendrick Motorsports
Manager: thor97

Roush Racing
Manager: andrew

Joe Gibbs Racing
Manager: peteroli34

Richard Childress Racing
Manager: Wizzie

Penske Racing
Manager: Salamander

Dale Earnhardt, Inc.
Manager: RedEyes504

Evernham Motorsports
Manager: V8fan12

Chip Ganassi Racing
Manager: pasta_maldonado

Robert Yates Racing
Manager: Samster

Petty Enterprises
Manager: CarloSpace

Bill Davis Racing
Manager: Biscione

MB2 Motorsports
Manager: East Londoner

Haas CNC Racing
Manager: Ataxia

Wood Brothers Racing
Manager: SeedStriker

PPI Motorsports
Manager: This Could Be You

Jasper Motorsports
Manager: pasta_maldonado

BAM Racing
Manager: Wizzie

Phoenix Racing
Manager: Biscione

Morgan-McClure Motorsports
Manager: Reject_Dom

Ultra Motorsports
Manager: peteroli34

BelCar Motorsports
Manager: This Could Be You

BACE Motorsports
Manager:

AJ Foyt Racing
Manager: Gonzalez

Kirk Shelmerdine Racing
Manager: CarloSpace

Front Row Motorsports
Manager: Miguel98

Shepherd Racing Ventures
Manager: RedEyes504

SCORE Motorsports
Manager: Normal32

Andy Petree Racing
Manager: Reject_Dom

Da Rules

REC Costs
Each team starts with at least one Racing Entitlement Contract, with which they are entitled to an entry at every race. A team may decide to purchase a new REC, which can be a full-time entry, or a part-time entry at a maximum of 12 races. A new full-time REC will cost $1 million, with a part-time REC costing $300,000.

Any team which entered in 2003 is permitted to carry over that number REC for 2004, and will not have to pay for them. The maximum permitted RECs is five, with only one allowed to be a part-time entry.

Works Contracts
A works contract entitles a team to a cash bonus from that team, with which the team is expected to construct their own car. Each works contract will be up for review at the end of each year, but don't worry - if you do as reasonable a job as can be expected, you can be reasonably confident you'll retain it.

Chevrolet
Works 1: Hendrick Motorsports
Works 2:
Works 3:
Semi-Works 1:
Semi-Works 2:
Semi-Works 3:

Ford
Works 1: Roush Racing
Works 2:
Semi-Works 1:
Semi-Works 2:

Dodge
Works 1: Evernham Motorsports
Works 2:
Semi-Works 1:
Semi-Works 2:

Other Information
I'll start off by saying I'm not gonna let people go nuts with how they run teams - you are not going to sign Jimmie Johnson to drive for Morgan-McClure, Morgan Shepherd's team will not get works status with any manufacturer. I mean, you could try, but it ain't gonna work. That said, I'm not a no-fun Nancy - if you want something out of the ordinary to happen, go ahead and lobby for it. Schedule changes, new manufacturers, points system changes, new teams, you name it, if it's within reason I'll consider it.

Assuming we get far enough along with this series, I'll look at things like Toyota joining in 2007 (if they don't join before then), Tony Stewart looking to get into the team ownership business, Kurt Busch having complete meltdowns, etc. I want this to be a flexible series - just not ridiculous.

You also may notice certain drivers and teams already have certain arrangements already tied up - Gordon is locked in at Hendrick, Evernham already has one of the works Dodge contracts, etc. Again, this is part of keeping things within reason. With the exception of Gordon's lifetime contract with the Hendrick #24, these aren't permanent - driver contracts will run out in a year or two, and works contracts are up for review at the end of each year.

More sections will be added as I run through the pre-season and work through each rule mechanic.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 26 Mar 2017, 06:50

I will claim Childress Racing

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 26 Mar 2017, 06:57

I will claim Penske Racing, and we will purchase a new REC for the #00, and will bid for the 2nd Works Dodge slot.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 26 Mar 2017, 07:21

I'd like to take Chip Ganassi Racing.

Post by **Ataxia** » 26 Mar 2017, 07:25

I'd like to take Haas CNC Racing.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 26 Mar 2017, 08:45

I'll go for Bill Davis Racing, and bid for one of the Chevrolet Works slots.

CarloSpace · Post by **CarloSpace** » 26 Mar 2017, 10:55

Petty Enterprises for me.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 26 Mar 2017, 10:56

I'll go with roush racing and bid for a works ford.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 26 Mar 2017, 11:40

andrew wrote:I'll go with roush racing and bid for a works ford.

Roush Racing already has a works Ford contract.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 26 Mar 2017, 12:00

Salamander wrote:
andrew wrote:I'll go with roush racing and bid for a works ford.

Roush Racing already has a works Ford contract.

Ah I see, thank you for the clarification,

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 26 Mar 2017, 16:43

You running this on NR2003? Hope your laptop doesn't kill this off like mine did for my attempt. Still sore about that one. :facepalm:

I will go with Robert Yates and naturally will bid for the 2nd Ford works contract. We will also bring back the #28 as a third car.

thor97 · Post by **thor97** » 26 Mar 2017, 16:44

Hendrick Motorsports for me please

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 26 Mar 2017, 16:45

Samster wrote:You running this on NR2003? Hope your laptop doesn't kill this off like mine did for my attempt. Still sore about that one.

I will go with Robert Yates and naturally will bid for the 2nd Ford works contract. We will also bring back the #28 as a third car.

I've been running NR2003 on my PC for years with little bother, it should be fine. I hope.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 26 Mar 2017, 16:59

Ill take Joe Gibbs Racing we will bid for works Chevrolet works status we also acquire one full time REC #11 and one part time REC #80

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 26 Mar 2017, 17:18

Chip Ganassi Racing will bid to become a semi-works partner with Ford for one season, and also purchase a part-time REC (#13) for 12 races.

SeedStriker · Post by **SeedStriker** » 26 Mar 2017, 19:30

I'll take Wood Brothers Racing

CarloSpace · Post by **CarloSpace** » 26 Mar 2017, 20:12

CarloSpace wrote:Petty Enterprises for me.

We'd like to bid for Dodge Semi-Works engines.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 26 Mar 2017, 21:10

Bill Davis Racing will purchase a Part-time REC (#27).

RedEyes504 · Post by **RedEyes504** » 26 Mar 2017, 22:58

I'll go for Earnhardt Inc.

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 26 Mar 2017, 23:36

I'll take Evernham Motorsports

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 26 Mar 2017, 23:49

BelCar for me please.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 27 Mar 2017, 07:10

Childress will bid for a works Chevy contract (or failing that, semi-works Chevy contract).

Childress will also purchase a part-time REC, running the #90

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 27 Mar 2017, 09:17

SCORE for me.

RedEyes504 · Post by **RedEyes504** » 27 Mar 2017, 13:07

Earnhardt will bid for works Dodges

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 27 Mar 2017, 14:07

I'm a bit surprised there a no pay drivers available, as with my current budget it is impossible to employ one driver and pay for a pit crew and engines without going pretty much bankrupt immediately ($500k + $250k + $100k + $100k= $950k, and we'd be dead last with that setup).

If we had the ability to bring money in, we might be able to do something, and you can't seriously suggest that Hideo Fukuyama isn't going to being paying us, surely?

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 27 Mar 2017, 15:55

Are engine and pit crew figures per REC? So, if I run 3 cars, I need to pay for 3 pitcrews, and the engine figure is per unit rather than per team contract?

Also, in hindsight, with how much chassis, engines, etc cost, I'd like to sell my part-time #27 REC back.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 27 Mar 2017, 16:17

DemocalypseNow wrote:Are engine and pit crew figures per REC? So, if I run 3 cars, I need to pay for 3 pitcrews, and the engine figure is per unit rather than per team contract?

Also, in hindsight, with how much chassis, engines, etc cost, I'd like to sell my part-time #27 REC back.

That's a fair point - to make things clear, for part-time teams, all costs will be 30% of the listed price for full-time teams. Otherwise, there's not much point in running one over another full-time car.

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 27 Mar 2017, 16:54

This Could Be You wrote:I'm a bit surprised there a no pay drivers available, as with my current budget it is impossible to employ one driver and pay for a pit crew and engines without going pretty much bankrupt immediately ($500k + $250k + $100k + $100k= $950k, and we'd be dead last with that setup).

If we had the ability to bring money in, we might be able to do something, and you can't seriously suggest that Hideo Fukuyama isn't going to being paying us, surely?

I don't see anything that says there aren't any pay drivers, just that sponsors aren't a factor in this series. Assuming driver bidding and RNGs are in this then presumably we can get certain drivers to find some money?

Is there prize money for each race? If similar to real NASCAR then you'll be able to make your money back fairly easy as long as you qualify for races.

Post by **Miguel98** » 27 Mar 2017, 17:26

I want to take over Front Row Motorsports. We'll go with two part-time REC, and considering our status, we can't go for works anything!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 27 Mar 2017, 18:09

This Could Be You wrote:I'm a bit surprised there a no pay drivers available, as with my current budget it is impossible to employ one driver and pay for a pit crew and engines without going pretty much bankrupt immediately ($500k + $250k + $100k + $100k= $950k, and we'd be dead last with that setup).

If we had the ability to bring money in, we might be able to do something, and you can't seriously suggest that Hideo Fukuyama isn't going to being paying us, surely?

The driver list there isn't exhaustive - I don't have time to research literally every possible driver I'd allow in the series. I haven't considered pay drivers, but I suppose I could allow some.

I'll put in a system for mid-season payouts, probably every 6 or 9 races. There will also be the option of buying customer equipment, so you don't have to fork out for design costs. I'll explain more about that when we get around to designing and building cars.

But honestly - if you want long-term viability and the possibility to progress up the field, why did you pick BelCar when there were (and still are) better teams up the grid? They died after 2003 in real life. The reason they're there is because NASCAR has always had no-hopers at the back of the grid. Very occasionally one can climb up the ranks and eke out a sustainable existence, such as Front Row or Furniture Row, but the vast majority get stuck there and fade out.

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 27 Mar 2017, 18:29

Salamander wrote:But honestly - if you want long-term viability and the possibility to progress up the field, why did you pick BelCar when there were (and still are) better teams up the grid? They died after 2003 in real life. The reason they're there is because NASCAR has always had no-hopers at the back of the grid.

Sorry to be a bit of a nuisance then, but I might switch to running PPI Motorsports then (if possible), as they have a more promising budget; I had not looked at BelCar's budget when I chose it (essentially at random), and didn't realise it would be quite so hopelessly unviable when combined with the chassis rules (silly of me, I know, considering their past form :oops:

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pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 27 Mar 2017, 18:39

Please, please, please, for the love of all that is holy tell me there will be no chase.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 27 Mar 2017, 18:58

Looking at the spreadsheet it looks as though I already have Mark Martin driving for me, when driver bids come around do I still have to bid for him? And the same question goes for Matt Kenseth,

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 27 Mar 2017, 19:06

This Could Be You wrote:
Salamander wrote:But honestly - if you want long-term viability and the possibility to progress up the field, why did you pick BelCar when there were (and still are) better teams up the grid? They died after 2003 in real life. The reason they're there is because NASCAR has always had no-hopers at the back of the grid.

Sorry to be a bit of a nuisance then, but I might switch to running PPI Motorsports then (if possible), as they have a more promising budget; I had not looked at BelCar's budget when I chose it (essentially at random), and didn't realise it would be quite so hopelessly unviable when combined with the chassis rules (silly of me, I know, considering their past form )

No problem man - it's as much my fault for not communicating that. You now control PPI (not the insurance).

pasta_maldonado wrote:Please, please, please, for the love of all that is holy tell me there will be no chase.

There will probably be a Chase years from now, if we get that far. There might even be two, in fact, if somebody for some reason thinks hiring Chase Montgomery is a good idea.

But the championship system? Nope.

andrew wrote:Looking at the spreadsheet it looks as though I already have Mark Martin driving for me, when driver bids come around do I still have to bid for him? And the same question goes for Matt Kenseth,

No, you'll automatically get them for the listed price.

Gonzalez · Post by **Gonzalez** » 27 Mar 2017, 19:09

I will pick AJ Foyt Racing.

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 27 Mar 2017, 22:31

PPI would like to bid for a Semi-Works Dodge contract for 2004.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 29 Mar 2017, 19:46

Seeing sign-ups seem to be slowing down, I will allow users to take on a second team - with the caveat that those who already control multiple RECs can only take one of the single-car entries.

I'd like to run the works contract RNGs this weekend. Here's who I currently have down for the open works positions:

Chevrolet Works (2 open slots)
Richard Childress Racing
Joe Gibbs Racing
BIll Davis Racing

Chevrolet Semi-Works (2 open slots)
None

Ford Works (1 open slot)
Robert Yates Racing

Ford Semi-Works (1 open slot)
Chip Ganassi Racing

Dodge Works (1 open slot)
Penske Racing

Dodge Semi-Works (1 open slot)
Petty Enterprises
PPI Motorsports

Please have your works bid (if you wish to bid for works status) submitted by 23.00 BST, Saturday 1 April.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 30 Mar 2017, 15:09

Bill Davis Racing will switch their request from Works to only Semi-Works Chevrolet support. I will also take on Phoenix Racing.

SeedStriker · Post by **SeedStriker** » 30 Mar 2017, 15:43

Woods Brothers Racing ask for a Ford semi-works contract

RedEyes504 · Post by **RedEyes504** » 30 Mar 2017, 15:59

Earnhardt will bid for works Dodges