The team who never made it

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 06 Mar 2010, 23:04

Well can't hold my self to make this thread.
So post here the teams who never made it in the Formula 1.

Let's start:
Trebon (1992/1993)

the Facts
The owner: Norbert Hamy
Engine: The car should be using the Judd V10
Build: Car should be build In Japan
Base: The base should be in England
Car: The car was full with new technologie but can't remember with what.
See pics =) for the car and also more info.

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Bravo F1 (1993)

the Facts
The owner: Jean Pierre Mosnier
Team manager: Adrian Campos
Engine: Judd V8
car: Updated Andrea Moda S921 (Design work used for Simtem S941)
Drivers: Nicola Larini and Jordi Gené Future drivers Pedro de la Rosa and Ivan Arias
Stopt: Because of the dead of Jean Pierre

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Lotus 112 (1994/1995)

the Facts
Chief Designer: Chris Murphy
Engine: Mugen-Honda ZA5D engine
Drivers: Alexandro Zanardi and Mika Salo
Stopt: Team Lotus stopt at the 17th of january 1995 because of a lack of sponsors and money

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Monteverdi (1991)

the Facts
Chief designer: Paul Monteverdi
Driver: JJ Lehto only testes the Monteverdi (See picture)
Stopt: Lack of money

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Ikuzawa (1994)

the Facts
Car type: HW001
Designer: Enrique Scalabroni
Teammanager: Peter Windsor

*Car shape should be tooked over by Jackie Stewart for his stewart team

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DAMS (1995/1996)

the Facts
Car type: GD01
Designer: Claude Galopin
Engine: Ford V8
Drivers: Eric Comas and Jan Lammers they only tested the dams at Paul Richard in October also Emmanuel Collard was called as a driver for the 1996 season
Stopt: The car was just to slow
Spewing oil over a row of potential investors in their workplace 3 weeks before the test

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DOME (1996/1997)

the Facts
Car type: F105
Engine: Mugen-Honda V10
Test drivers: Apicella later Shinji Nakano and Naoki Hattori
Stopt: Lack of money and interest of sponsors

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Prodrive (2008)

The Facts
The owner: Dave Richards
The manager: Dave Richards?
Engine: Mercedes FO180X
Build: Woking, UK
Base: The Fulcrum, UK
Car: A customer chassis - Prodrive were intended to buy the McLaren MP4-23
Stopped because: The FIA could not get customer chassis legislation through when Williams objected to the idea of a new team having instant success

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USF1 (2010)

The Facts
The owner: Ken Anderson and Peter Windsor
The manager: Peter Windsor
Engine: Cosworth CA2010
Build: Charlotte, USA
Base: Charlotte, USA
Car: USF1 Type-1
Drivers: Jose Maria Lopez and James Rossiter
Stopped: Production fell months behind schedule owing to serious mismanagement

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Stefan GP (1997, ????, 2010)

The Facts
The owner: Zoran Stefanovic
Team Manager: Zoran Stefanovic (?)
Engine: Toyota RVX-09, re-badged as Stefan RG-01
Build: Cologne, Germany
Base: Belgrade, Serbia
Car: Toyota TF110, re-christened Stefan S-01
Drivers: Kazuki Nakajima and Jacques VIlleneuve
Stopped: Missed out on entry bid process, carried on anyway, but rejected as an eleventh-hour entry when USF1 folded

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 06 Mar 2010, 23:13

The Trebon does not look like a car from 1992.

midgrid · Post by **midgrid** » 06 Mar 2010, 23:17

f1-gast wrote:Ikuzawa (1994)

the Facts
Car type: HW001
Designer: Enrique Scalabroni
Teammanager: Peter Windsor

*Car shape should be tooked over by Jackie Stewart for his stewart team

Ahem...

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 06 Mar 2010, 23:25

the trebron is a pure genius design!

and it seems that some of the ideas of the lotus (the nose section for example) are put into the pacific. It's not totally the same but it has some similarities.

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 06 Mar 2010, 23:29

shinji wrote:The Trebon does not look like a car from 1992.

Nope it was controversial
like the Lion Grandprix project as example

There where more controversial f1 projects in the 90s, like the formula1 car with 3 wheels one in the middle front and 2 in the back but can't remember who's idea it was.
Did a lot of research about those teams in 2004 /2005 but lost a lot of information sadly enough.

Will put some more teams in it this night or tomorrow

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 06 Mar 2010, 23:37

Hmm well here is the Formula1 three wheeler i ment

The idea camed from Enrique Scalabroni
if im right he also wanted to design a formula1 car with a jet engine

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 06 Mar 2010, 23:46

thank hwnsnbm that this car never made it to the grid :shock:

even my lego creations look better!

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 07 Mar 2010, 00:36

f1-gast wrote:DAMS (1995/1996)

the Facts
Car type: GD01
Designer: Claude Galopin
Engine: Ford V8
Drivers: Eric Comas and Jan Lammers they only tested the dams at Paul Richard in October also Emmanuel Collard was called as a driver for the 1996 season
Stopt: The car was just to slow

Spewing oil over a row of potential investors is also not a great way to try and get a brand new F1 team off the ground!

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 07 Mar 2010, 11:56

The DAMS car looks just horribly fat and lumpy. No surprise it was awfully slow.
The Trebron and Ikuzawa seemed interesting enough concepts. Shame they were never seen in a race track.
The Lyon and the Il Barone Rampante (that was the name of that devilish thing if I'm not mistaken) were just weird and unrealistic.

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 07 Mar 2010, 16:45

The DOME looks very pretty. Thanks for posting these photos.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 09 Mar 2010, 17:24

Oh man, just imagine what F1 would've been like if all these teams had gotten in...
I must say, Lion is a pretty good name for a team. It inspired me to name my fantasy team Lynx. (Do not steal this name please.)

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 10 Mar 2010, 05:05

Prodrive (2008)
The Facts
The owner: Dave Richards
The manager: Dave Richards?
Engine: Mercedes FO180X
Build: Woking, UK
Base: The Fulcrum, UK
Car: A customer chassis - Prodrive were intended to buy the McLaren MP4-23
Stopped because: The FIA could not get customer chassis legislation through when Williams objected to the idea of a new team having instant success

USF1 (2010)
The Facts
The owner: Ken Anderson and Peter Windsor
The manager: Peter Windsor
Engine: Cosworth CA2010
Build: Charlotte, USA
Base: Charlotte, USA
Car: USF1 Type-1
Drivers: Jose Maria Lopez and James Rossiter
Stopped: Production fell months behind schedule owing to serious mismanagement

Stefan GP (1997, ????, 2010)
The Facts
The owner: Zoran Stefanovic
Team Manager: Zoran Stefanovic (?)
Engine: Toyota RVX-09, re-badged as Stefan RG-01
Build: Cologne, Germany
Base: Belgrade, Serbia
Car: Toyota TF110, re-christened Stefan S-01
Drivers: Kazuki Nakajima and Jacques VIlleneuve
Stopped: Missed out on entry bid process, carried on anyway, but rejected as an eleventh-hour entry when USF1 folded

FloProAct · Post by **FloProAct** » 10 Mar 2010, 08:14

Captain Hammer wrote:USF1 (2010)
The Facts
The owner: Ken Anderson and Peter Windsor
The manager: Peter Windsor
Engine: Cosworth CA2010
Build: Charlotte, USA
Base: Charlotte, USA
Car: USF1 Type-1
Drivers: Jose Maria Lopez and James Rossiter
Stopped: Production fell months behind schedule owing to serious mismanagement

Didn't Lopez's manager say that Milos Pavlovic was the second driver, or is my brain going fuzzy?

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 10 Mar 2010, 09:15

FloProAct wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:USF1 (2010)
The Facts
The owner: Ken Anderson and Peter Windsor
The manager: Peter Windsor
Engine: Cosworth CA2010
Build: Charlotte, USA
Base: Charlotte, USA
Car: USF1 Type-1
Drivers: Jose Maria Lopez and James Rossiter
Stopped: Production fell months behind schedule owing to serious mismanagement

Didn't Lopez's manager say that Milos Pavlovic was the second driver, or is my brain going fuzzy?

Rossiter was the first to sign...but when it became evident they wouldn't make it (January), his sponsors backed out of the deal and Rossiter lost his seat. Pavlovic had been picked up to replace him.

SDHammer · Post by **SDHammer** » 10 Mar 2010, 10:42

Does anyone remember Moneytron (I thinks that what thet were called)? They were a Swiss lot who bought/wanted to buy the Haas Lola/ Lola Haas cars and race them in 1987 with Megatron turbo's instead of the Ford engine.

I think the project was canned when the sponsorship failed to materialise.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 10 Mar 2010, 14:26

SDHammer wrote:Does anyone remember Moneytron (I thinks that what thet were called)? They were a Swiss lot who bought/wanted to buy the Haas Lola/ Lola Haas cars and race them in 1987 with Megatron turbo's instead of the Ford engine.

I think the project was canned when the sponsorship failed to materialise.

Wasn't that Ekstrom?

SDHammer · Post by **SDHammer** » 10 Mar 2010, 17:02

Faustus wrote:
SDHammer wrote:Does anyone remember Moneytron (I thinks that what thet were called)? They were a Swiss lot who bought/wanted to buy the Haas Lola/ Lola Haas cars and race them in 1987 with Megatron turbo's instead of the Ford engine.

I think the project was canned when the sponsorship failed to materialise.

Wasn't that Ekstrom?

Could've been I just remember seeing a picture in Autosport with a mocked up colourscheme imposed over a picture of the Haas Lola and it something like Moneytron on the rear wing. May have been a sponsor?

Pieman · Post by **Pieman** » 10 Mar 2010, 17:16

SDHammer wrote:Could've been I just remember seeing a picture in Autosport with a mocked up colourscheme imposed over a picture of the Haas Lola and it something like Moneytron on the rear wing. May have been a sponsor?

Moneytron was the company owned by Belgian politician/nutcase Jean-Pierre van Rossem, which of course eventually made it into F1 with Onyx.

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 10 Mar 2010, 20:19

That was Ekstrom

Well van Rossem wasn't that nice the most know the story i guess.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 10 Mar 2010, 20:21

Faustus wrote:
SDHammer wrote:Does anyone remember Moneytron (I thinks that what thet were called)? They were a Swiss lot who bought/wanted to buy the Haas Lola/ Lola Haas cars and race them in 1987 with Megatron turbo's instead of the Ford engine.

I think the project was canned when the sponsorship failed to materialise.

Wasn't that Ekstrom?

Ekstrom had its own car.

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 10 Mar 2010, 21:16

was the Ekstorm not an evolution from the lola haas ?

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 11 Mar 2010, 14:08

f1-gast wrote:was the Ekstorm not an evolution from the lola haas ?

It seems more an evolution of the Tyrrell 012 to me...

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 11 Mar 2010, 14:36

Phoenix wrote:
f1-gast wrote:was the Ekstorm not an evolution from the lola haas ?

It seems more an evolution of the Tyrrell 012 to me...

Or the RAM 03.

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 11 Mar 2010, 18:07

I'm surprised that the Ekstrom car actually looks fast. Why did they have to abandon their plans? I haven't heard of them before.

Actually, the DOME looks fast, too.

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 11 Mar 2010, 20:31

well here some articles i got of the Ekstrom project.

http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=15534 or check this link

Henrique · Post by **Henrique** » 12 Mar 2010, 01:40

Wanna see the Dome in action?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CBhRBuHv4I - a practice run with the one and only Shinji Nakano.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gWXRdXWJcA - from Naoki Hattori's helmet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFQngxGacZg - OMG, car presentation (sort of)! Sorry for the Moonspeak.

RAK · Post by **RAK** » 12 Mar 2010, 09:20

That V10 engine note is beautiful. I haven't heard many engines sound that good since the 4.9L flat-12 they used in the Porsche 917. Definitely a lot more evocative than the 2.4L V8s they use now; V8s tend to sound better when they come from America.

Obviously, a 1.46 was around the back of the grid by 1997, but then, you don't get the quickest times from testing. Would have been interesting to see.

SDHammer · Post by **SDHammer** » 13 Mar 2010, 17:22

Those Dome vids are cool. After listening to that engine they should bring back v10 or v12's.

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 14 Mar 2010, 14:27

Yes the sound is much better, remembering the V12 of ferrari felt in love with it.

SDHammer · Post by **SDHammer** » 17 Mar 2010, 11:36

I was browsing Forix/8w this morning and found the following article about Giancarlo Minardi's first attempt a Formula 1 using a Ferrari 312T and Pierluigi Martini's uncle also called Giancarlo as driver.

http://www.forix.com/8w/everest.html

Unfortunately Mr Martini crashed the car during the warm-up for the race of champions at Brands and it didn't complete any(many) laps at the International Trophy at Silverstone.

Looks like Formula 1 was just too step a hill to climb for Scuderia Everest.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 01 Sep 2010, 12:16

What about the Junior F1 Team project for 1995, buying the Larrousse team?

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 02 Sep 2010, 07:38

lol necer heard about that Junior F1team ?
You got more info about it ? (can't find anything ofit in my f1 magazines from 1994 and 1995...)

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 02 Sep 2010, 10:32

Gerard Larrousse pulled off a massive coup in 1994 by securing sponsorship from the Danone group, however, the results that year were well below expectations so Danone didn't pay all that they promised. Apparently there was a clause in the contract that allowed them to do this. By the end of the season, Larrousse was skint so he started getting pay drivers, hence the beginning of the short-lived F1 careers of Hideki Noda and Jean-Denis Deletraz.
There was a design for a car for 1995, again from March and Robin Herd, I believe, but Larrousse had no money to build it. Larrousse managed to sell what was left of the team to a guy called Jean Messaoudi, who intended to use the cars from 1994, upgraded to the 1995 rules. He also entered to use money from the French government through the Loi Evin (which was a French government law to ban all tobacco and alcohol advertising and would provide compensation to entities who would have lost out on revenue due to it) to field 2 up-and-coming French drivers. I seem to remember Christophe Bouchut and Eric Helary being in line to drive. These were very competent drivers that missed out on the recently cancelled Elf La Filiere scheme to promote French drivers in motorsport, so the intention was to provide a final rung in the ladder of motorsport. I remember that they never turned up and it all pretty much disappeared. I've got some Auto-Hebdos and Sport Autos from the time that describe the whole thing. I'll see if I can find them.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 02 Sep 2010, 10:36

I've just done a quick online search, which I probably should have done before I posted the previous reply, and realised that someone has updated the Larrousse page on Wikipedia page with more information that I've posted. Check it out, it's surprisingly good and accurate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larrousse

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 02 Sep 2010, 10:37

Isn't that just the dams ?

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 02 Sep 2010, 10:42

Hmm interesting story, never heard about it, looks a bit on lotus in 1994 they continued with Pacific.

Gonna ask around about the junior f1 team.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 02 Sep 2010, 10:57

No, it was a separate project from the DAMS.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 02 Sep 2010, 11:02

Asiatech presented a wind-tunnel scale model for a car they wanted to build. Enrique Scalabroni presented it to the media at a press conference during a Formula 1 race weekend that I was at in 2002, but I can't remember where it was. I remember being in the press conference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiatech

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 02 Sep 2010, 12:55

I remember a small news item in Autosport in the summer of 1992 reporting that Frederic Dhainaut had left Andrea Moda (he was sporting director, I believe) after the Canadian Grand Prix to supposedly start a team for 1993. It quoted him as saying that he had the money, he had an engine deal and he had a chassis deal. He promised that it would be "not a big team but good." Apparently Dhainaut had attempted to buy the equipment of the defunct AGS, and had also been linked to a buy-out of Brabham. Rumours were that the Dhainaut cars would have Hart V10s and Rhone-Poulenc sponsorship, and that the team would be based somewhere in England.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 09 Dec 2012, 22:04

Just imagine how many more teams the site would have if these had happened