F1 Rejects Track Designing Competition

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 03 Apr 2017, 21:10

Woo hoo!

I will post something in 24 hours...

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 05 Apr 2017, 19:19

OK, SO it's nearer 48 hours than 24, but c'est la vie... (it's what happens when you're a student nurse on placement!)

The Three Roundabout Challenge

Pick any three roundabouts and link them up to form a roughly triangular track. (This can be fairly liberally interpreted, just so long as the three roundabouts are clearly at the three corners.)

Twist: there is no limits to track length. The three roundabouts could all be located at Swindon's Magic Roundabout, or they could be as far apart as Vladivostok, Cape Town, and Aberdeen.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 06 Apr 2017, 05:40

I present the 364-km long Circuit Le Mans–Tours–Angers–Le Mans, an extension of the Circuit de la Sarthe. After some paving of a few of the "roads" that are actually tracks and a few purpose-built chicanes, it will host the 1000 km Le Mans–Tours–Angers–Le Mans, a sort of modern Mille Miglia.

To make the layout not too straight-dominated, the route meanders quite a bit, so there's a lot to look at. Also, there are more than three roundabouts used, but I kept the "roundabouty" corners, the ones that use more than half of a roundabout, restricted to the triangle's corners. The official corners are:
*South-southwest of MMArena
*North of the Loire in Tours
*Just after Chemin du Colombier in Angers
They aren't exactly at the extremes of the circuit, but hopefully it's close enough for a track of this length.

Due to the site becoming slow when I made the routes too long, I've had to make the circuit in four parts:
Part 1: http://gb.mapometer.com/cycling/route_4513023.html
Part 2: http://gb.mapometer.com/cycling/route_4513035.html
Part 3: http://gb.mapometer.com/cycling/route_4513040.html
Part 4: http://gb.mapometer.com/cycling/route_4513041.html

AdrianBelmonte_ · Post by **AdrianBelmonte_** » 06 Apr 2017, 13:22

A catastrophically shaped "triangle", if it doesn't fit inside the rules i will post a backup

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7051122

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 06 Apr 2017, 18:15

AdrianBelmonte_ wrote:A catastrophically shaped "triangle", if it doesn't fit inside the rules i will post a backup

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7051122

dr-baker wrote:The Three Roundabout Challenge

to form a roughly triangular track. (This can be fairly liberally interpreted.

You're fine...

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 07 Apr 2017, 14:38

I've gone for literally the exact opposite of that giant Le Mans circuit. Following in the footsteps of the Birmingham SuperPrix, we have the Birmingham Super ePrix

EDIT: A link. Although I 100% stand by the YouTube video I linked to, it's hilarious.

Normal32 · Post by **Normal32** » 07 Apr 2017, 17:02

Loosely triangular track set around Swindon's Magic Roundabout, with a length of 220 miles:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7051918

Aislabie wrote:I've gone for literally the exact opposite of that giant Le Mans circuit. Following in the footsteps of the Birmingham SuperPrix, we have the Birmingham Super ePrix

Ehm, that ain't a circuit link...

watka · Post by **watka** » 08 Apr 2017, 20:38

I would guess that dr-baker would appreciate being told where the roundabouts are on some of this circuits rather than having to trawl through 250-odd miles of route to find them...

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 08 Apr 2017, 22:37

Here's my entry, the (admittedly rather short, at 3.58KM) Challiot "Trois Ronds-Points" Street Circuit, which is a triangle and has three roundabouts, but has nothing else remotely interesting about it:

WaffleCat · Post by **WaffleCat** » 09 Apr 2017, 04:13

This was intended to be more triangle shaped, but it didn't turn out like I hoped...

http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=601128

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 09 Apr 2017, 14:31

watka wrote:I would guess that dr-baker would appreciate being told where the roundabouts are on some of this circuits rather than having to trawl through 250-odd miles of route to find them...

Actually, the only reason I specified that the circuit had to be triangular was so that I could find the three roundabouts more easily... If they're not in the corners, I'm not going to find them, and you'll have to plead your case otherwise!

Thanks for your concern though!

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 10 Apr 2017, 18:30

Get ready for 170-lap race (that's what F1 race distance on this circuit would be).
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7053777

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 13 Apr 2017, 01:07

UgncreativeUsergname: http://gb.mapometer.com/cycling/route_4513023.html, http://gb.mapometer.com/cycling/route_4513035.html, http://gb.mapometer.com/cycling/route_4513040.html, http://gb.mapometer.com/cycling/route_4513041.html (rude)
AdrianBelmonte_: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7051122
Aislabie: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7052020
Normal32: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7051918
This Could Be You: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7052597
WaffleCat: http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=601128
Bleu: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7053777

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 14 Apr 2017, 14:40

OK, so the results are in.

7. UncreativeUsername with a few g's chucked in
I know you said the site that you used was slow, but because I couldn't see the whole circuit joined up as one track, it was harder to judge easily. It had potential as France was the birth of the long-distance town-to-town motor race (as far as I am aware - it certainly was well-known for it 100+ years ago). It would just have been nice to have it as one complete unit. (Maybe use another website next time to make the track?) (Hope this hasn't come across as harsh.)

6. Normal 32
I know I said I would be liberal with the definition of the shape of a triangle, but your northern 'corner' near Birmingham was very ill-defined and it took a while to find that roundabout. I would describe it as almost bell-shaped, and I don't hear many people describe bells as pyramidal in shape.

5. Waffle Cat
That looked more like an artistic interpretation of a gentleman's meat and 2 veg. Ooo err.

4. Aislabie
I liked it. It did remind me of a silhouette of a ghost!

3. Adrian Belmonte
Nice location, good length, would get a lot of ex-pat Brits coming out to support one of the Mercedes drivers.

2. This Could Be You
It was a tough decision between you and the winner. I could imagine that this would be a good FE track, exactly what they would want. AND THE ARC DE FLIPPIN' TRIOMPHE!!!! Good straights too. Might make overtaking slightly easier than on the near-equal-length track of Brands Hatch Indy loop.

1. Bleu
Only reasons you won: 1. You went even shorter over an already short track in second place. 2. You chose to put your track in the USA where I thought there were few roundabouts, plus it was in Indy. Which appears to be trending in motorsports news at the moment for some bizarre reason. If it were anywhere else but Indy, 1st and 2nd may well have been the other way round.

And everybody kept their tracks within one country, when I suggested you could have gone Vladivostock-Johannesburg-Aberdeen?

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7056139 It would only have been 20,000 miles/30,000 km or more... Russia-China-Pakistan-Iran-Iraq-Saudi Arabia-Egypt-Sudan-Ethiopia-Kenya-Tanzania-Mozambique-South Africa-Botswana-Angola-DR Congo-Central African Republic-Nigeria-Niger-Algeria-Morrocco-Gilbraltar-Spain-France-England-Scotland-England-France-Belgium-Netherlands-Germany-Poland-Belarus-Russia. Around 30 countries. As used to be said on Top Gear, "How hard could be be?" Hmmm.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 17 Apr 2017, 14:34

Apex Challenge
For once, I launch a challenge which doesn't include any streets. Indeed, this challenge won't be done on a map at all.

Below, there's a empty sheet, with only ten + signals added. The job is to create a circuit

* Nine out of ten crosses must be used for corner apexes
* There shall not be more than two apexes between pre-marked apexes
* The track is considered without any gradients, so it must not have any crossovers.

So copy a picture below, build a track, save, upload picture somewhere and post it.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 17 Apr 2017, 16:16

Naturally, the layout I'm submitting is Long Course A.

watka · Post by **watka** » 17 Apr 2017, 21:12

Love this challenge!

Pretty straightforward layout from me:

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 17 Apr 2017, 21:54

Here's my attempt, the 10 corner Heidfeldring, so called as it is slightly boring (and goes nicely with the Kubicaring above

), and rivals Shanghai or Yeongham for a lack of atmosphere:

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 19 Apr 2017, 01:07

I'd also like to say I like the originality of this challenge.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 20 Apr 2017, 01:45

Here's my entry, an clockwise track with long corners and a challenging pit-entry.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 21 Apr 2017, 19:09

So it is essentially join up the dots. Great idea using maps does get a bit tedious.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 23 Apr 2017, 17:15

DQ peteroli34 Sorry, there are too many corners between points at some parts, especially between 9th and 10th cross.

5. This Could Be You: The corners used at crosses are fine but the rules allow some more and lack of those bumps this one back.

4. watka: Explanation used as This Could Be You's circuit suit this one too. I rate this circuit a bit better.

3. UgncreativeUsergname I like the flow of this circuit, but at the same time I think there are much too similar corners.

2. pasta_maldonado This has some nice corners and early part can eb good fro racing. Not liking too much on the tight section at the bottom though.

1. Aislabie I quite like the fact that anti-clockwise circuit has first and last corner as right-handers. Tightening part from 4 to 6 is good as well, ad I like S-curves of 11/12.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 24 Apr 2017, 10:00

What I would have submitted had I been near a desktop/laptop computer last week. Doubt it would have won though.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 24 Apr 2017, 12:25

Sochi Sucks

It's hardly an unpopular opinion to say that the Sochi Autodrom (while one of my favourite circuits to drive in video games and stuff) very rarely produces any sort of good racing, while the increasingly dishevelled ex-Olympic venues around it provide a disappointing backdrop.

Design another circuit in the city that might make a better Grand Prix venue.

Circuit length between two and four miles are allowed.
Please don't demolish any buildings.

AdrianBelmonte_ · Post by **AdrianBelmonte_** » 24 Apr 2017, 13:20

The intersections are bridges

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7062060

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 24 Apr 2017, 18:29

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7062256

watka · Post by **watka** » 24 Apr 2017, 20:48

Created more of a touge track than a F1 track, but I'll post it anyway: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7062371

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 25 Apr 2017, 10:47

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7062646

EDIT: Intention is that the pit lane would be parallel to where the 2-mile marker is, and that marker would be where start-finish line is.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 25 Apr 2017, 23:54

http://gb.mapometer.com/cycling/route_4527183.html
I left buildings untouched, but I did some other stuff that would never fly irl. Oh well.

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 27 Apr 2017, 12:13

https://www.gmap-pedometer.com/m/?r=7063817&rf=1

A rather fast and twisty circuit in the hills just next to what I assume is the CBD of Sochi. Has a couple of tight hairpins and a long main straight to mix things up as well.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 28 Apr 2017, 17:50

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7064564

Post by **tommykl** » 28 Apr 2017, 19:46

For my comeback to this competition: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=7064632

The track is driven counter-clockwise. It begins with a fast and wide section including some street-typical tight 90-ish degree corners, before entering a twisty, flowing section in the final third. The lap closes with two right-angle corners to take the drivers back to the starting line.

WaffleCat · Post by **WaffleCat** » 29 Apr 2017, 01:17

http://www.mappedometer.com/?maproute=607250

Introducing the "Logically Impressive yet Practically Irrational" street circuit

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 29 Apr 2017, 13:17

Here's my entry, the 17-corner 5.58KM Novvy Sochi Autodrom, a very fast circuit with long straights, a lot of elevation change and even a "corkscrew" type corner:

(the image is of a previous drawing of the circuit which I forgot to save, but it's 99% identical)

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 04 May 2017, 00:27

Now, the first thing I'll say is that the order of these circuits is not necessarily in order of how much I like them. Instead, it's in order of how much I think they'd spice up the racing compared to Sochi Autodrom.

1/ Peteroli34
Okay, so this is pretty unfeasible. However, if we assume that FOM and the Russian government are prepared to fund the creation of some sort of temporary bridge across the harbour, this is a seriously good circuit. Lots of heavy breaking zones and acute corners mean that there are chances for overtaking in several places, and all with a spectacular Black Sea backdrop.

2/ Watka
Although the final sector of this lap could do with some smoothing out of the road, the rest of this track seems very reminiscent of Pau. Not 100% sure that it would make for exciting racing, but would be a proper old-school street circuit.

3/ Uncreative Username
An excellent way to fit in a figure-eight layout, and I enjoy the look of the high-speed opening sector. Unfortunately, I can only see two real overtaking spots - and one of them might be compromised by it being a double-apex turn, and therefore usually single-file.

4/ Dr Baker
Although I appreciate the idea of using the airport, and I'm impressed with the interesting shapes you've managed to find, it really doesn't have any flow. Honestly though, that southern protuberance ruins the track for me, though others may like it.

5/ Tommykl
It's kind of a Monza-shaped creation, but still recognisably Sochi thanks to all those ninety-degree turns. Granted, it's fast-paced but I just can't bring myself to like the last two corners.

6/ Adrian Belmonte
With something like 25 turns in three and a half miles, including the astonishingly squiggly end to the first sector, I struggle to see this one making for good racing - sorry.

7/ The Flying Caterham
As much as I would love a track like this to work, it has more changes of direction than the Tories. There's only one real straight bit of road, and while this circuit would make for an amazing quali session, it would make for an equally processional race.

8/ Waffle Cat
This is very nearly a good circuit, but the choice to double back on Pespektivnaya turned a surprisingly elegant two-mile course into a muddled three-mile course. A real shame tbh.

9/ This Could Be You
Now, this almost certainly isn't the worst circuit here, but I'm rather tired at this point, and it's at least the third of these really twisty circuits that the cars would have to go single-file through. Not so much a bad circuit as pretty much exactly what I wasn't looking for.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 04 May 2017, 16:15

Really wasnt expecting to win but Ok

Heres your canvas create a track
- You may not cross the lakes

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 04 May 2017, 16:44

peteroli34 wrote:Really wasnt expecting to win but Ok

Heres your canvas create a track
- No longer then 7KM
- You may not cross the lakes

No longer than 7km? How will we know? What's the scale?

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 04 May 2017, 17:54

dr-baker wrote:No longer than 7km? How will we know? What's the scale?

Thats a valid point. Why i said a length i have no idea :facepalm:

Just ignore the 7km length limit

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 04 May 2017, 19:26

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 04 May 2017, 20:20

My attempt, which has two layouts and is in Greenland, entirely because of a rather feeble pun...