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Webber - watching all those replays of him driving into the back of Hamilton gave me my best laugh in ages
Red Bull Reliabilty - or rather, the seeming non-existance of it
Xtrac Hydraulics - self explanatory really, far too many failures
Michael Schumacher - I'm sure tootling around in 13th, before scraping a 10th placed finish isn't what he planned for his comeback
BBC Pitlane Reporters - normally oh-so-quick to go and shanghai a driver post-retirement, we got no interviews with Sutil, Senna, Glock, Di Grassi or Petrov and so I have no idea what caused their retirements (even the replay of Petrovs accident made it look a bit more like something failed rather than driver error)
De La Rosa - Spent ages in the points, only to quietly slip out on the final 2 laps

I want to nominate Chandhok, for finishing 2 laps behind even Kovalainen, but I can't bring myself to, just finishing the race must feel like a win to HRT, hope they have an even better race at Malaysia
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Mark Webber (if you desire, expand on RBR as a whole) - Well, I think there has been said enough
Kamui Kobayashi - BMW-Sauber has stated that the front wing failure was not due to a material problem, so he must've damaged it somewhere
Jarno Trulli - not even starting the race is weak (even for a new team)
Jenson Button-doubting - as much as it hurts me to say it, he was the best and has showed Hamilton the door today
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I nominate the Red Bull... obvious reasons... :)
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Still too early to vote for the new teams, in my opinion.

Mark Webber - Oh dear, a bit too much red mist altogether.

Michael Schumacher - A spirited duel with the Virgins and Toro Rossos. The honour of Germany has been maintained. And he got a point!
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Lewis Hamilton

Not just for fuelling the Media frenzy on friday night, a mere wheelspin being turned into a 70s car chase by the all-typing eye.

But his "The call for me to come in for tyres was FRICKING stupid" over the radio is something that Ron will not approve of, and this may sound a bit kneejerk, but it wouldnt suprise me if Hamilton is out of McLaren at season end.
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I'm gonna have to go with Kobayashi's front wing, but there were a lot of other strong candidates (especially over toward the red bull part of the pit lane and in the 7-times-world-champion section of the paddock).

All the 'Formula One is doomed--let's make everyone take 9 pitstops' camp deserves an honorable mention...
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ZsoltForever wrote:Honorable mention goes to the hand-wringing fans who thought F1 was doomed after Bahrain. Turns out, you put F1 on a track that isn't snooze-inducing and the racing gets a whole lot better. What a concept.


I get that as the ROTR, I also nominate Sauber´s nosecone, for obvious reason.
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Red Bull, no contest...
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I'd like to nominate Sauber's nosecone too.
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Another vote here for Red Bull - couldn't have thrown it away in more spectacular fashion if they'd tried.

Honourable mention to myself, for waking up a few minutes late and missing the first few laps and therefore the collision. :oops: :D
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It's the obvious choice, but Webber, Webber, a thousand times Webber.

But since most of us have already mentioned him I'll go with the less obvious pick, Bahrain for getting the season off to such a terrible start. It's been clearly demonstrated today that always and forever Australia must be the first race of any and all F1 seasons!
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Pieman wrote:Honourable mention to myself, for waking up a few minutes late and missing the first few laps and therefore the collision. :oops: :D

Meh... all you missed was another Sauber front wing failure taking Kobayashi, Buemi and Rosberg for a ride, Alonso owning himself and Schumacher and the Renaults making mega starts. :lol:
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Well, that was a lively race, wasn't it? And several people wanted to try and win the award this time around, as there seemed to be quite a few mistakes along the way.

Kobayashi has to be put forward, simply because he has had far too many accidents throughout the whole race weekend (if you include the accidents in the practise sessions). To compound this, he then crashes out in the race itself, in an accident which could have been quite unpleasant for all involved (and the pain will be even greater for Sauber, because de le Rosa failed to score points too - although he was in the running for points earlier in the race). It does appear that the damage might have been self inflicted there - Sauber said that the damage caused in the free practise sessions was because Kobayashi had damaged the front wing in both cases, and they suggested to Kravitz that the crash in the race was for the same reason.

But Red Bull probably deserve the prize for having such a wretched race, when it all looked so good on Saturday - the front left brake failure for Vettel (which has dented his championship chances, as he is now 25 points off Alonso), show that the team still might have reliability problems. Staying out far too long on the intermediate tyres (according to Kravitz, the drivers decided to stay out for an extra lap as they were happy with the cars - the team should have over ruled them immediately, given how fast Button was going once he was up to speed), which put Webber at quite a disadvantage (because Vettel was given preference, it meant that Webber lost out even more), and then making the wrong choice on Webber later (they should have left him out and held onto track position). And then Webber tops off the misery by hitting Hamilton (and to be honest, it was Webber's fault there, as he admitted - with Alonso on the inside, Hamilton was going to have to go wide, and Webber was going far too quickly into the corner in the hope that he could pass those two whilst they were squabbling), breaking his wing and finishing 9th. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82489
And whilst Mark might have been happy to go down fighting, he's made things much harder for himself then he needed to. As a result, despite having potentially the quickest car, Vettel and Webber are 7th and 10th respectively in the WDC (on 12 and 6 points respectively, compared to Alonso on 37, Massa on 33 and Button on 31), and Red Bull are only 5th in the WCC (on 18 points, when Ferrari are on 70).

That said, Mclaren aren't far off for their strategy call on Hamilton - Mclaren made a bad choice on Hamilton (and we heard Hamilton complain bitterly about that). Although giving him a fresh set of tyres meant that he was much faster towards the end of the race, it also put him in a position where he would have to pass Alonso. Yes, Alonso was clearly struggling for rear end traction - he was falling back from Massa, and you could see that even in some of the fast corners he was having to feather the throttle - but he was always going to put up a very strong defence (especially since Massa was ahead of him - he'd have been very keen to preserve his lead in the WDC, and try to win as much support from Ferrari as soon as possible).
And when passing is tricky, you're exposing yourself to much more risk - Mclaren should have left him out behind Kubica, and got Hamilton to pressurise Kubica (as he might have been able to force Kubica into a mistake, and get past him that way). It didn't help that he was losing his cool either, with those terse messages across the radio - not the wisest of things to do, but he was clearly frustrated at what he was being asked to do (which was to pass several quite competitive - and aggressive - drivers he had previously been ahead of anyway).
On the other hand, at least he managed to finish in 6th place, which is, although disappointing, still quite a few places up from where he started, and means that he is in 4th place in the standings - so, although a bad decision, Webber and Red Bull made even more of a mess of things.
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Wizzie wrote:
Pieman wrote:Honourable mention to myself, for waking up a few minutes late and missing the first few laps and therefore the collision. :oops: :D

Meh... all you missed was another Sauber front wing failure taking Kobayashi, Buemi and Hulkenberg for a ride, Alonso owning himself and Schumacher and the Renaults making mega starts. :lol:


Just watched it on BBC iplayer - that crash could have been a lot worse.
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Pieman wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Pieman wrote:Honourable mention to myself, for waking up a few minutes late and missing the first few laps and therefore the collision. :oops: :D

Meh... all you missed was another Sauber front wing failure taking Kobayashi, Buemi and Hulkenberg for a ride, Alonso owning himself and Schumacher and the Renaults making mega starts. :lol:


Just watched it on BBC iplayer - that crash could have been a lot worse.


Yeah it could have been a whole lot worse... it reminded me of that nasty accident between Sato and Heidfeld in the 2002 Austrian GP...
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Mark Webber is the comfortable winner, at times he drove like an idiot. Totally at fault for ramming into Hamilton, running wide when overtaking on the inside is amateurish. Also I'll put forward Michael Schumacher for being so damn slow, and also Turbulent air for making the last 10 laps far less eventful than it should have been.
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RBR. And an honorable mention for Big Schu and Kobayashi.
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Mine will be between Mark Webber and Red Bull... contraversial I know regarding the origin of this forum, but Webber was really bad today, and further proved to me that he can't take the pressure in the same way that the best drivers can. All his troubles today were of his own making, and I don't think Mark can run with his whole 'unlucky' persona anymore... If he wants results with the calibre of these guys around him, he really needs to become a complete driver..

Red Bull are my other nomination, for their inability to make a reliable car, and also for the fact they tend to blame almost ALL of their suppliers if something goes wrong... Horner claimed it was the brake itself that failed, but when McLaren had a similar looking problem in Abu Dhabi with Lewis, Whitmarsh didn't lay any blame anywhere, and just took the outcome for what it was... Red Bull seem very mercenary in their relationships with their suppliers, compared to McLaren who make use of the technical partnerships (I bet McLaren worked with Hitco or Brembo or whoever to work on that problem afterwards, whereas I see Red Bull just mouthing off in the same way they blamed Renault for the engine issues last year, that I actually think was more down to Red Bull's installation of the engine, coupled with some rough treatment from Vettel) to best effect.. and that makes Red Bull very hard to like at points...

I think I'll go for Webber as my main nomination, just because of his buckling under the pressure of the home crowd...

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Well after reading all the comments here, I'm laughing at everyone hitting out at HRT at the beginning, IIDOTR for Chandhok finishing!! :lol:

As for ROTR, my nomination would be Red Bull for some shockingly bad luck and being generally unimpressive, throwing away that front row lock out. Although Vettel was edging away from Button prior to the brake failure, Button's lap times fell considerably towards the end, he was in the mid 29s in the last 10-15 laps or so and he said himself afterwards that he didn't drive at 100% at the beginning of getting the slicks to preserve their life. I think he may have even caught Vettel if he pushed towards the end. Webber during an interview with Lee McKenzie after the race seemed very down, the appearance of someone who knows he won't have a chance like that to win his home race again. He won't be at Red Bull next year, and I think if the team continue with these slip ups, Vettel will want out before too long. You heard it here first ;)

Second would have to be Schumacher for some terrible also-ran driving around at the back, he even had trouble getting by di Grassi at the beginning! Rosberg has the measure of him comfortably, and Haug's defence of him on the BBC's F1 forum after the race was laughable. With Bahrain a similar situation, continuing this form he'll soon tire of the whole effort. I can't see him fulfilling that three year contract at all.

As for Hamilton, he whinged and threw the toys out of the pram over his strategy, yet Button called his own perfectly well. Hamilton has no one to blame but himself in my opinion and this incident reflects how he may have big balls with some fantastic passes for which I give him full credit, yet he has nothing like the tactical brain of someone like Button. Maybe it will come in time but this is his 4th season now and as someone else mentioned, I can see him walking from McLaren if he has a poor season. It's also clear he needs a lot of support, what Eddie Jordan has been saying about him being affected by his dad not being there is very true in my opinion. All those years sucking on the nipple of McLaren has left him under-equipped and under-prepared for the big bad world when he's out there on his own. I can see him having quite a tough year at this rate, and if he does walk, he'll have a tough few years before a competitive seat comes up. I doubt he'd go to Red Bull, maybe Mercedes if like I mentioned above, Schuey calls it a day prematurely?

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danardif1 wrote:Mine will be between Mark Webber and Red Bull... contraversial I know regarding the origin of this forum...

Controversial? Mate almost everyone here is voting Webber/RBR to be ROTR :lol:
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Wizzie wrote:
danardif1 wrote:Mine will be between Mark Webber and Red Bull... contraversial I know regarding the origin of this forum...

Controversial? Mate almost everyone here is voting Webber/RBR to be ROTR :lol:


:lol: I know that now, but at the time I hadn't read any of the posts...
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Sauber and the FIA: How did the FIA pass Kobayashi's front wing through the inspection? Causing a dangerous accident like that is completely unacceptable.

Michael Schumacher: After getting his wing changed and moving to the back he still couldn't get by Lucas Di Grassi and Jaime Alguersuari.

Lewis Hamilton: Stop whining Lewis. You could have passed Alonso and Massa, stop blaming the team for everything and making yourself look completely perfect.

I'm giving it to...
Mark Webber/RBR: Mark Webber made more mistakes than everyone in the points combined. He's ridiculously lucky to get a point, going off battling with Hamilton, pitting too late, Massa and Alonso passing him, and smashing into the back of Lewis Hamilton a la Jos Verstappen. Red Bull gets thrown in there because of reliability issues with Vettel

Overall, a great race for rejectful behavior with the rain and close running.
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Mark Webber. His race was full of mistakes. He still can't beat his 5th place for Minardi in 2002 as his best result in Australia!
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I would also like to give a honourable mention to our local Globo TV broadcast. In Bahrein, they created the VRT name to avoid citing Virgin and since that was ridiculous they developed a new strategy. In Australia, Globo TV simply mentioned the Virgin name only once and decided it to call Lucas Di Grassi's team.
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The Button-haters
Everyone gleefully rubbing their hands at the prospect of Button being ROTY, being trounced by his team-mate, getting shown up for the mid-field struggler he apparently is, and leaving the sport in humiliation before the end of the year; and those who delightedly proclaimed Bahrain qualifying as proof of all this. Close the door on your way out.

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As the last few laps showed, this race was probably only really exciting because of the weather conditions. It could well have been another procession. I'm hoping Malaysia will prove me wrong, but Hamilton should have been able to eat those Ferraris for breakfast, and couldn't do a thing about them.
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1. Mark Webber, seemed to try as hard as could not to score points and even then he failed. Hitting Hamilton not once but twice and both times being 100% his fault. Wrong Strategy calls. Extreme Media hype (not his fault but still) and champion over driving.

2.Hamilton's Fog/Rain light, argh that was getting on my nerves, flashing on and off constantly in a bone dry race I don't know how they get turned on or off but that must be a penalty because it is annoying to crowds, tv viewers and importantly the drivers who may get distracted.

3.Doubters of the sport after Bahrain, Bahrain is awful and people should know that, Melbourne proves once again why it should always be the season opener though thousands won't off seen it as a result of the Bahrain Gp.
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Sauber: Kobayashi's shunt in the first lap, coupled with De La Rosa's inability to defend the point-scoring position. Very disappointing - again.

Red Bull reliability: Two motor-scooters for Vettel, but no ability to convert those to high-scoring positions.

Lewis Hamilton: Poor qualifying, and a disappointing race after making a charge for the podium. Yes, there was a poor call for tyres, but Hamilton got sloppy when he was trying to take Alonso.

People doubting the sport: It was clear that Bahrain was not a satisfying place to open the season, especially when Tilke decided to rob some tarmac from the Hungaroring. Australia's changing weather conditions led to a more satisfying, strategic race.

People doubting Button: Worst title defence since Jacques Villeneuve? Well, we'll have to wait and see, but this weekend seems to suggest quite the opposite.
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First option: the McLaren strategist who brought Hamilton in for the extra pit stop (what a "terrible ideea").
second option: Virgin Racing (for the fuel tank debacle and the general unreliability).

And on a related topic, DBTMOTR:
1) M. Schumacher
2) Hamilton (but it was mostly not his fault)
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RBR Formula 1 Team, for not going the distance.

Hamilton, for growing up after lie-gate only to act like a kid again on the radio.

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RBR or Webber, your choice.
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fjackdaw wrote:The Button-haters
Everyone gleefully rubbing their hands at the prospect of Button being ROTY, being trounced by his team-mate, getting shown up for the mid-field struggler he apparently is, and leaving the sport in humiliation before the end of the year; and those who delightedly proclaimed Bahrain qualifying as proof of all this. Close the door on your way out.

Seconded. I also think those of us who dont feel he's a worthy champion should press pause and think about what worthiness actually means. The way JB deals with life in F1 is a lesson to many, not least his current team-mate. Whilst Hamilton seems to believe he has a path to greatness because he keeps telling us how great he is JB just gets on with the job.
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Hmm... just found something interesting. Shortly before the short of the race, Sauber replaced De la Rosa's front wing, but not Kobayashi's (scroll to page 18: http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1 ... report.pdf). Did they fix a problem on one car but not bother with the other? This could certainly elevate them to ROTR status... Of course they're blaming the failure on Kamui, but would they really admit if they had a problem? I doubt it...
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fjackdaw wrote:The Button-haters
Everyone gleefully rubbing their hands at the prospect of Button being ROTY, being trounced by his team-mate, getting shown up for the mid-field struggler he apparently is, and leaving the sport in humiliation before the end of the year; and those who delightedly proclaimed Bahrain qualifying as proof of all this. Close the door on your way out.


I've been in the running for ROTR for both races this year. Awesome.

However Red Bull Racing as a whole get my vote, for a day of epic fail.
Going from a 1st and 2nd Quali performance to a 9th and DNF by the finish is pathetic really. The team let Vettel down, Webber let the team down. All race he seemed to be attracted to McLewis, constantly trying to run him off the road. Eventually he succeeded too.

Dishonourable mention goes to Schumacher...He was running with Alonso near the back at the very beginning, and compare where the two finished.
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Probably Michael Schumacher, for being the most deadbeat team-mate.

Everybody other candidate was roughly where they should be (new teams) or absolutely drove their hearts out (Webber/Hamilton).
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i actually nominate virgin for only being marginally faster and even less reliable than HRT
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ADx_Wales wrote:Lewis Hamilton

Not just for fuelling the Media frenzy on friday night, a mere wheelspin being turned into a 70s car chase by the all-typing eye.

But his "The call for me to come in for tyres was FRICKING stupid" over the radio is something that Ron will not approve of, and this may sound a bit kneejerk, but it wouldnt suprise me if Hamilton is out of McLaren at season end.


You might be on to something there, especially considering how well Button is settling in to McLaren. Whilst saying Hamilton leaving McLaren might be a bit premature, whining about the team's strategy was not the smartest move from him, especially when he could've ignored it and made his own strategy calls like Button did. Seems to me like Hamilton is lacking a spine, and if Button keeps his form up, McLewis may be no more.
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I confirm my vote for schumacher. Very reject overtake and takes a counter from a virgin, takes a lot of time for overtake a Toro Rosso and stolen in last laps Sauber's first point.

Also I special nominate brazilian TV coverage narrator and commentator, galvão bueno and cleber machado, respectively, for massives errors, silly comments and some persecutions against new teams, like: "new teams don't have level for run in F-1, they put in risk the security of others drivers." and "The Lotus almost took Felipe Massa for out of race". (and sorry for my badly english here).
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Re: Your Reject of the Race - Australia!

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I count a total of 6 premium ROTR candidates:

Lewis Hamilton - 3 big mishaps this weekend which would usually be good enough for ROTR status. Firstly, getting involved in a reckless driving incident on the race weekend in which FIA are promoting road safety is not a good idea in the slightest. Secondly, his qualifying was awful and it was clear that it was him, and not the car that was the problem. He may have still had the police incident on his mind. Thirdly, his Barrichello-esque rant ("the team's strategy cost me the race") was very rejectful. If he had a problem with it, why didn't he object at the time. He should have shared the blame. Nevertheless, that was one of his best ever drives and he understandably feels a little cheated.

Sauber - I'll start with de la Rosa. He was slow, slow, slow during the race and through away a point paying position. All that I ever saw of him during the race was him being overtaken. Kobayashi didn't cover himself with glory either. He was lucky not to be knocked out in Q1, and looked ragged all weekend (I suppose that's how he drives though). But the most rejectful thing was the front wing issue. They knew they had a problem but they sent Kobayashi out anyway, and bam, a nasty accident which could have been a lot worse. One of F1's most respected teams; Sauber should know better.

The Whole Aussie Press - I'm not in Oz, but I heard that the hype for Webber was intolerable, worse even than Jens-ationalism or Lewis-teria. The pressure of the unreasonable expectations told on Webber and may have played a part in his accident with Webber. The Aussie press also blew the whole Hamilton incident out of all proportion. Supposedly the incident was within the grounds of Albert Park, so it wasn't even dangerous. Now we've got another -gate on our hands.

Michael Schumacher - I don't imagine meandering about behind Alguersuari is Schuey's idea of a comeback. Sure, the Mercedes has some flaws, but Alonso was able to make his way up to 4th without any problems, but Schumacher, one of the sport's most aggressive drivers, could do nothing about a Toro Rosso. I don't think I need to say much more.

Not holding the first race at Australia - The beauty of having the first race in Australia is that it is a difficult track that will often expose even the tiniest of deficiencies in the cars and the drivers. Bahrain does not. Albert Park showed how to hold a race today, and surely that is the way to start a season, and especially keep new viewers (of which I'm sure there were plenty of this season) hooked.

But the winner is...

Red Bull - I've bashed Red Bull a lot. Last year, the bottom line was that they had the fastest car for most of the season, but they didn't win the championship even with the aid of McLaren and sometimes Ferrari and Force India also overtaking Brawn in terms of pace. This race they exhibited all 3 things which I consider them infamous for; poor reliability, poor strategy, and driver error. The reliability issue has once again robbed Vettel of victory, or at least a podium. The team can't even blame Renault this time because it was a brake issue. Also note the brake issue that plagued Webber in Singapore last year. Could this be a recurring fault for the Red Bulls? Poor strategy was again in place, firstly as they brought in their cars way too late to change to slicks. Vettel had the pace to drive through the mistake, but Webber lost out and was out of position in terms of his pace. The second mistake came with Webber as they followed the same strategy as Hamilton and brought him in for a second set of slicks. Is he could of got past the Ferraris and Kubica, it would have been hard for them to get back past even with worn tyres. The driver error I refer to is obviously Webber's ram on Hamilton. That is not the first time that Webber has made that kind of mistake, he doesn't seem to know when a move is on or off, and I think he gets frustrated and impatient when he feels he should be in a better position based on his pace. At least he admitted it was his fault this time.
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Re: Your Reject of the Race - Australia!

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The publicocrapometer surely must yell now that the award should go to Simtek because of all their pre-season hype, Branson-style, and now this: a car with a fuel tank too small. Yet they manage it to not finish for other reasons but fuel.

So I'd like to second the mention of Xtrac Hydraulics. In fact, the award should go to "the Virgin's hydraulics" whatever that means ...

Remember Sauber winning the Nosecone Championship last year with Kubica? I guess now that they've realized that they cannot win the real championship, they've decided to go for the Nosecone Championship again, this time with Kobayashi.
They must have overtaken Glock of Simtek now in the standings.
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Re: Your Reject of the Race - Australia!

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My nomination for RotR is Red Bull for obvious reasons. Gee, and I thought I'd be buying those cans again from the beginning of this season onward...
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