Unusual F1 Stats

[Jocke1]

Is 3rd and 5th in the 2024 Brazilian GP the second best overall qualifying result for the ex-Minardi team? The best being 2008 Italian Grand Prix (1st and 4th) and better overall than 1990 US GP (2nd and 14th).

This made me think back on that glorious initial Minardi one-two after the first qualifying session for the '03 French Grand Prix
https://web.archive.org/web/20140428054 ... ualifying/


And for an unusual F1 statistic, prior to the 2024 season U.K. drivers had combined for 19,008 laps in the lead. With 332 laps in the lead by U.K. drivers so far in 2024 they are now up to 19,340. Surely we will see the 20,000 led laps barrier be broken within a year or two.

The current standings for laps in the lead by nations:

1. U.K. 19,340
2. Germany 10,995
3. Brazil 6,880
4. France 5,238
5. Finland 4,077
6. U.S.A. 3,513
7. Netherlands 3,361
8. Italy 2,909
9. Austria 2,729
10. Australia 2,489

[Har1MAS1415]

2024 is about to become the first season since 1977 in which three Australian drivers raced at least once (Alan Jones, Larry Perkins, Vern Schuppan, there was also a 4th but Brian McGuire only entered the British GP and didn't pre-qualify).

Good luck Jack Doohan!

[dr-baker]

[Har1MAS1415]

THAT'S INCREDIBLE!

[James1978]

Thought I'd compile an alphabet of the most successful drivers beginning with each letter of the alphabet (surnames), some of this might be subjective but I'm going on championships first, then race wins, then placings. Nobody begins with X

Fernando Alonso (could argue for Ascari with also championships but obviously a lot shorter career)
Jack Brabham (Button actually has one more race win but only 1 championship to Brabham's 3)
Jim Clark
Patrick Depailler (surprisingly not that successful a letter - Elio De Angelis tied with 2 wins but Depailler had a lot more podiums)
Vic Elford (8 points in his era is better than Marcus Ericsson's 18 points in the modern era)
Juan Manuel Fangio
Dan Gurney
Lewis Hamilton (the most successful letter. world champs Hawthorn, Hill x 3, Hulme, Hunt and Hakkinen all miss out!)
Jacky Icxx
Alan Jones
Robert Kubica (Kovalainen ties him with 1 win but other results heavily go in Kubica's favour)
Niki Lauda
Nigel Mansell
Lando Norris (before this year it would have been Nannini)
Esteban Ocon (!)
Alain Prost
Dieter Quester (the only Q - he was profiled on the old Rejects site!!)
Nico Rosberg (has most race wins from him, his father, Raikkonen and Rindt who all also have 1 championship)
Michael Schumacher (we have rejects in this list but no Senna!)
Patrick Tambay (another surprisingly unsuccessful letter)
Alberto Uria (who? Had 1 6th place before points were awarded for them!)
Max Verstappen (before he clinched the 4th championship it would have been Vettel)
Mark Webber
Alex Yoong (there was only him and Sakon Yamamoto!)
Ricardo Zonta (again old points systems favour him over Zhou)

[dr-baker]

Lewis Hamilton (the most successful letter. world champs Hawthorn, Hill x 3, Hulme, Hunt and Hakkinen all miss out!)

How did you calculate Hill as having 3 titles? Phil Hill won once in 1961, Graham Hill won twice in 1962 and 1968, and Damon Hill won once in 1996.

Building on this further, how would you work out which surname was more successful? There have been 3 Schumachers in the sport winning a total of 7 titles and multiple wins, but only two have podiums and wins and only one had won any titles. Yet there have also been 3 Hills, all 3 of whom have wins and titles, but not as many of either...

[James1978]

I meant 3 champions called Hill missed out, I wasn't referring to the total number of championships. Hakkinen is included in that list too and also has 2, my point was because of Hamilton's 7, an awful lot of champions miss out on having the chance to be included on the list!

And I was also just wanting to include 1 driver with each letter too - also see the Rs for favouring one family member over another!

IN full chronological order the champions who missed out are: Farina, Ascari, Hawthorn, Phil Hill, Graham Hill, Surtees, Hulme, Stewart, Rindt, Fittipaldi, Hunt, Andretti, Scheckter, Piquet, Keke Rosberg, Senna (!), Damon Hill, Jacques Villeneuve, Hakkinen, Raikkonen, Button and now Vettel too.

[dr-baker]

I meant 3 champions called Hill missed out, I wasn't referring to the total number of championships. Hakkinen is included in that list too and also has 2, my point was because of Hamilton's 7, an awful lot of champions miss out on having the chance to be included on the list!

And I was also just wanting to include 1 driver with each letter too - also see the Rs for favouring one family member over another!

IN full chronological order the champions who missed out are: Farina, Ascari, Hawthorn, Phil Hill, Graham Hill, Surtees, Hulme, Stewart, Rindt, Fittipaldi, Hunt, Andretti, Scheckter, Piquet, Keke Rosberg, Senna (!), Damon Hill, Jacques Villeneuve, Hakkinen, Raikkonen, Button and now Vettel too.

Thanks for the clarification!

[Row Man Gross-Gene]

Thought I'd compile an alphabet of the most successful drivers beginning with each letter of the alphabet (surnames), some of this might be subjective but I'm going on championships first, then race wins, then placings. Nobody begins with X

Fernando Alonso (could argue for Ascari with also championships but obviously a lot shorter career)
Jack Brabham (Button actually has one more race win but only 1 championship to Brabham's 3)
Jim Clark
Patrick Depailler (surprisingly not that successful a letter - Elio De Angelis tied with 2 wins but Depailler had a lot more podiums)
Vic Elford (8 points in his era is better than Marcus Ericsson's 18 points in the modern era)
Juan Manuel Fangio
Dan Gurney
Lewis Hamilton (the most successful letter. world champs Hawthorn, Hill x 3, Hulme, Hunt and Hakkinen all miss out!)
Jacky Icxx
Alan Jones
Robert Kubica (Kovalainen ties him with 1 win but other results heavily go in Kubica's favour)
Niki Lauda
Nigel Mansell
Lando Norris (before this year it would have been Nannini)
Esteban Ocon (!)
Alain Prost
Dieter Quester (the only Q - he was profiled on the old Rejects site!!)
Nico Rosberg (has most race wins from him, his father, Raikkonen and Rindt who all also have 1 championship)
Michael Schumacher (we have rejects in this list but no Senna!)
Patrick Tambay (another surprisingly unsuccessful letter)
Alberto Uria (who? Had 1 6th place before points were awarded for them!)
Max Verstappen (before he clinched the 4th championship it would have been Vettel)
Mark Webber
Alex Yoong (there was only him and Sakon Yamamoto!)
Ricardo Zonta (again old points systems favour him over Zhou)

Normally I'm not that enamored of these esoteric statistical deep dives, but this was enjoyable to read through. Nice Job! Countries would be another nice one; Hamilton and Schumacher would also be keeping out lots of worthy people in that case as well.

[sswishbone]

Doesn't Alex Zanardi beat Zonta?

[James1978]

Doesn't Alex Zanardi beat Zonta?

Afraid not! Zanardi only had 1 6th place, Zonta had 3 (hence unrejectified himself, Zanardi didn't). I'm not looking at other forms of motorsport, just F1.

[dr-baker]

Doesn't Alex Zanardi beat Zonta?

Afraid not! Zanardi only had 1 6th place, Zonta had 3 (hence unrejectified himself, Zanardi didn't). I'm not looking at other forms of motorsport, just F1.

I still find it strange that Zanardi scored his single point for a Lotus team that was in its final few seasons rather than when he was at Williams that had recently won some world championship titles a few years earlier.

[Bleu]

Zanardi shares the worst points/GP ratio among those who have scored with Olivier Grouillard.

Logan Sargeant would have gone to the top if he had finished the season with no points.

[dr-baker]

Zanardi shares the worst points/GP ratio among those who have scored with Olivier Grouillard.

Logan Sargeant would have gone to the top if he had finished the season with no points.

This makes Lella Lombardi's achievement all the more impressive. I assume she has the unique career points total of only 0.5 points? How many drivers have only a single point to their name? Other than Lella's 0.5 point, who has the next lowest unique total career points total to their name?

[RAK]

Zanardi shares the worst points/GP ratio among those who have scored with Olivier Grouillard.

Logan Sargeant would have gone to the top if he had finished the season with no points.

This makes Lella Lombardi's achievement all the more impressive. I assume she has the unique career points total of only 0.5 points? How many drivers have only a single point to their name? Other than Lella's 0.5 point, who has the next lowest unique total career points total to their name?

I think the answer to your last question might be Umberto Maglioli, with a unique total of 3 1/3 points.

[dr-baker]

Zanardi shares the worst points/GP ratio among those who have scored with Olivier Grouillard.

Logan Sargeant would have gone to the top if he had finished the season with no points.

This makes Lella Lombardi's achievement all the more impressive. I assume she has the unique career points total of only 0.5 points? How many drivers have only a single point to their name? Other than Lella's 0.5 point, who has the next lowest unique total career points total to their name?

I think the answer to your last question might be Umberto Maglioli, with a unique total of 3 1/3 points.

That's a points total that will be impossible to equal any time soon!

When i saw that points total, my first thought was that he must have had a shared fastest lap to get a fraction of a point. Turns out he has two podiums, both of which were shared drives, the second of which were with two other drivers: Giuseppe Farina and Maurice Trintignant, hence the 0.33333 point.

When i then thought about the shared fastest lap point in the 1950s, I remembered that there was a race where 7 drivers shared the fastest lap. Turns out it was the 1950 British GP where the fastest lap was 1:50. Yep, recorded to the nearest second. No tenths or hundredths of a second. Anyway, of those, the driver with the lowest points total seems to be Onofre Marimon, with 8 1/7 points, which i imagine would be the next lowest unique points total?

EDIT: https://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiques ... ombre.aspx is a list of all the points scorers in order. Turns out that Duane Carter has a unique points total of 6.5 points. He scored a third and two 4ths over the 11 Indy 500s from 1950 to 1960 inclusive, two of which were shared drives.

Troy Ruttman is the only other drivers with a unique points total below 10, at 9.5.

The highest non-unique points total seems to be shared by Jackie Stewart and Damon Hill, each with a total of 360 points. This is interesting because the one fact that I know about these two drivers is that these two share the record for the largest winning margin in a race, that being 2 laps, in the 1969 Spanish Grand Prix and 1995 Australian GP.

[Jocke1]

There were two unenviable records broken this 2024 season.

At the '24 Austin GP Lance Stroll passed Johnny Herbert for most Grand Prix without a fastest lap. Herbert held the record with 161 GP's and Stroll raced in his 162nd at Austin. Stroll is now at 166.

And at the '24 Miami Grand Prix Hülkenberg passed De Cesaris for most Grand Prix without a win. De Cesaris held the record with 208, Hülkenberg started his 209th in Miami.
(it was in 2017 at Singapore that Hülkenberg took the record from Sutil for most Grand Prix without a podium, which he has now further increased to 227)



Austin seems most able to produce these types of records because in 2023 at Austin Kevin Magnussen passed Martin Brundle for most Grand Prix without leading a lap. Austin '23 was Magnussen's 159th GP without leading a lap. Brundle raced in 158.
Magnussen has increased this record by not leading a lap in 2024 and now holds the record with 185 GP's without leading a lap.



In 2025, Hülkenberg will be able to break Jarno Trulli's all-time record of most 1st lap DNF's. Trulli had 14, Hülkenberg currently has 12.

[Jarvis]

For the first time in F1 history, four teams finished 1-2 in a single season.

[James1978]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e59NdUEain4

Someone asked when I did the alphabet of most successful drivers, if it was posssible to work out the most successful driver from each country - well here it is! (OK it was done in early 2023 so for instance Max Verstappen only has 2 championships rather than his current 4, but I don't believe any personnel changes will have been made to this list since, just any current (or active in 2023 and 2024) their stats will be slightly different).

[Har1MAS1415]

Just realised:

Alpine's double-podium in Brazil 2024 was the first for Team Enstone since Korea 2013 when they were Lotus.

[Rob Dylan]

Not even unusual, just funny: Lance Stroll is Canada's most experienced F1 driver ever.