What circuit do you think would race best backward?

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 13 Apr 2010, 08:09

mario wrote:
thehemogoblin wrote:
Cynon wrote:The Indian GP circuit looks like crap. It needs to take on the characteristics of Australian circuits. By that, I mean a fairly boring looking layout,... but random sudden elevation changes. >=D

Does anyone else think that if they ran the Indian GP track backwards (OHMIGOD COUNTER CLOCKWISE AAAAAHH!!!!!) it could be potentially epic?

It'd probably be better.

I've seen a few people suggest that it might be better in the counter clockwise direction - it would shift the racing line a fair bit, and would alter the cornering speeds a bit too. Looking at it, it could also create a couple of downhill braking zones into slow corners which could offer a place to pass.

We should have a little counter-clockwise-contest. Who can come up with the best circuit (this includes FIA Grade 2 tracks that are in good condition too) on which Formula One cars could run backward?

muttley · Post by **muttley** » 13 Apr 2010, 08:28

The Eau Rouge backwards would be murderous!

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 13 Apr 2010, 08:33

muttley wrote:The Eau Rouge backwards would be murderous!

It would be flat out and risky again, to say the least.

danardif1 · Post by **danardif1** » 13 Apr 2010, 09:26

Shanghai would be quite good, with the first corner becoming the last...

Interlagos would be fun, climbing back up the hill where the Senna S is.

Jordan192 · Post by **Jordan192** » 13 Apr 2010, 09:58

danardif1 wrote:Shanghai would be quite good, with the first corner becoming the last...

Interlagos would be fun, climbing back up the hill where the Senna S is.

Also the big stop after the banked run downhill from the startline would be cool, but Curva do Sol would be absolutely lethal, a 170 mph right-hander where you have to stand on the brakes halfway around.

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 13 Apr 2010, 10:10

Imagine Monaco backwards.

Taking the Hotel Hairpin, Mirabeu and Portier uphill and Saint Devote Downhill...
Not to mention, The pit exit would be suicidal and the La Rascasse with 24 cars squabbling for position right after the start....

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 13 Apr 2010, 10:21

Spa and Monaco, for the reasons mentioned. Attacking Turkey's Corner 8 after the long haul up the hill could be fun as well, but maybe not that much.

I was thinking if Valencia the other way around would be any more interesting, but can't find a reason to argue for that

Jordan192 · Post by **Jordan192** » 13 Apr 2010, 10:23

CarlosFerreira wrote:I was thinking if Valencia the other way around would be any more interesting, but can't find a reason to argue for that

Unless by 'The other way round' you mean 'upside down'

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 13 Apr 2010, 10:29

Jordan192 wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:I was thinking if Valencia the other way around would be any more interesting, but can't find a reason to argue for that

Unless by 'The other way round' you mean 'upside down'

You know, that COULD work! :lol:

JeanDenisAlcatraz · Post by **JeanDenisAlcatraz** » 13 Apr 2010, 11:11

Silverstone could work. Imagine the squeeze going into Woodcote/Luffield on the first lap and the cars whizzing through Chapel-Becketts-Maggotts then onto Copse after coming down Hangar Straight. That'd be a test of mettle on a par with Eau Rouge.

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 13 Apr 2010, 11:19

They switched the direction of Misano a while ago. I haven't got a clue as to why, but they did.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 13 Apr 2010, 12:57

Spa Francorchamps would be intense backwards, especially Eau Rouge.
Monaco would be very challenging, especially the last corner, which would become the first.
Indianapolis would be interesting as the first corner would be the banked corner.
I'd like to see A1 Ring backwards as well.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 13 Apr 2010, 13:49

I'd suggest Laguna Seca backwards, but I don't know the grade of the circuit. The Spa, Interlagos and Monaco suggestions are also terrific.

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 13 Apr 2010, 15:24

One added benefit of this:

The Tilkedromes all end up with different character! They all wouldn't look the same going in to turn one. This must be done.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 13 Apr 2010, 15:49

I would say Montreal would be quite interesting; Starting with a tight chicane in first lap, then a fast straight ending in a harping then another straight ending in a chicane...

Maybe Indianapolis would be greater too.

danardif1 · Post by **danardif1** » 13 Apr 2010, 15:58

redbulljack14 wrote:Spa Francorchamps would be intense backwards, especially Eau Rouge.
Monaco would be very challenging, especially the last corner, which would become the first.
Indianapolis would be interesting as the first corner would be the banked corner.
I'd like to see A1 Ring backwards as well.

I thought about Indy too! And I wouldn't mind still having the A1-ring full stop!

Jynister · Post by **Jynister** » 13 Apr 2010, 16:15

Through the magic of video games I know that Interlagos is awesome backwards (particulary at the Senna S) and Laguna Seca, which I'm not much of a fan of, is alot better backwards too.

Theres another circuit which I believe is called Mo I Rana or Arctic Circle Raceway as its the most Northern track in the world, which I suspect is fairly fun backwards too. But I won't know until I boot up rFactor.

MaxZero · Post by **MaxZero** » 13 Apr 2010, 16:40

Catalunya wouldn't be particularly interesting backwards, but probably a lot better than going forwards

Post by **mario** » 13 Apr 2010, 16:51

Phoenix wrote:I'd suggest Laguna Seca backwards, but I don't know the grade of the circuit. The Spa, Interlagos and Monaco suggestions are also terrific.

Laguna Seca is a Grade 2 track, in case you were wondering.
Monaco would certainly be interesting in reverse - though the Nogues corner would be a nightmare off the start. Spa would be a challenge (although I think that it is fine as it is), and Juncao would be a very difficult corner in reverse.

JeanDenisAlcatraz wrote:Silverstone could work. Imagine the squeeze going into Woodcote/Luffield on the first lap and the cars whizzing through Chapel-Becketts-Maggotts then onto Copse after coming down Hangar Straight. That'd be a test of mettle on a par with Eau Rouge.

Maybe - on the other hand, you would have to factor in the changes to the layout (and running it in reverse may actually remove one potential passing place, which is the new Arrowhead corner).

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 13 Apr 2010, 17:32

Suzuka might also be a bloody nice circuit to run in reverse, if they removed the last chicane, they would effectively make 130r the first corner.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 13 Apr 2010, 17:42

I made a couple of videos with 'mirrored' circuits, that being, a video of the circuit flipped horizontally.

Pretty disorientating.

Archie2K · Post by **Archie2K** » 13 Apr 2010, 17:43

Through videogame magic reverse Suzuka's first corner is impossible. It's a blind, tightening, not quite flat-out left-hander where you need to pick out a braking point for the chicane which you can't see, and hitting the brakes makes the car spear straight forwards and off the track entirely. 130R is still pretty intense but Spoon, and Degner no longer make any sense.

coops · Post by **coops** » 13 Apr 2010, 18:24

Jynister wrote:Through the magic of video games I know that Interlagos is awesome backwards

I DID THAT TOO! To be honest, despite Interlagos being one of my all-game faves I was bleeding hopeless going the wrong way round. And then I became irritated by Murray Walker repeatedly telling me that I was "going the wrong waaaay!!"

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 13 Apr 2010, 18:36

coops wrote:
Jynister wrote:Through the magic of video games I know that Interlagos is awesome backwards

I DID THAT TOO! To be honest, despite Interlagos being one of my all-game faves I was bleeding hopeless going the wrong way round. And then I became irritated by Murray Walker repeatedly telling me that I was "going the wrong waaaay!!"

Well, incase you didn't know, a good part of the circuit was originally driven on the opposite direction, those parts being the Reta Oposta Straight, Curva do sargento, ferrandura and Curva do sol.

This is shown nicely in a map of the original layout, with the current layout superimposed on it (by me, yes I submitted it to Wikipedia. and i know, it's awful)

coops · Post by **coops** » 13 Apr 2010, 19:01

DonTirri wrote:Well, incase you didn't know, a good part of the circuit was originally driven on the opposite direction, those parts being the Reta Oposta Straight, Curva do sargento, ferrandura and Curva do sol.

Did not know that, cheers man. Top trivia and useful too.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 13 Apr 2010, 19:07

Indianapolis but without the infield.... oh hang on.....

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 13 Apr 2010, 20:58

Jynister wrote:Theres another circuit which I believe is called Mo I Rana or Arctic Circle Raceway as its the most Northern track in the world, which I suspect is fairly fun backwards too. But I won't know until I boot up rFactor.

ACR is pretty good the right direction too! A good track that don't get used anymore.

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 13 Apr 2010, 21:33

Phoenix wrote:I'd suggest Laguna Seca backwards, but I don't know the grade of the circuit. The Spa, Interlagos and Monaco suggestions are also terrific.

That would be nice, especially the Corkscrew section

JeanDenisAlcatraz · Post by **JeanDenisAlcatraz** » 13 Apr 2010, 22:27

mario wrote:
JeanDenisAlcatraz wrote:Silverstone could work. Imagine the squeeze going into Woodcote/Luffield on the first lap and the cars whizzing through Chapel-Becketts-Maggotts then onto Copse after coming down Hangar Straight. That'd be a test of mettle on a par with Eau Rouge.

Maybe - on the other hand, you would have to factor in the changes to the layout (and running it in reverse may actually remove one potential passing place, which is the new Arrowhead corner).

That's not Silverstone, though. That's a bastard child of a circuit sacrificed to the great god of 'improving the show.'

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 13 Apr 2010, 22:48

Mangy Cours would have been interesting, if only trying to see them try and tackle the last corner first (cant remember what it was called)

Bort · Post by **Bort** » 14 Apr 2010, 00:47

The Nordschleife.

Wacky!

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 14 Apr 2010, 03:37

Holy bathplug! Spam that is somewhat related to the forum.

We're doomed.

Anyways back on topic and Interlagos and Spa would both be interesting backwards for the reasons mentioned earlier.

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 14 Apr 2010, 05:11

AVUS!

Seriously, though:

Imola would be great; the Tamburello chicane would be quite a challenge in my opinion.

The Nürburgring would also seem to be a lot more fun backwards. The opening segment of the track would be much faster, and the stadium section would be right after a straight, instead of right after the first corner, increasing the difficulty significantly.

Lastly, as a blast from the past, Zandvoort. Oh, what a race it would be.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 14 Apr 2010, 08:50

redbulljack14 wrote:Spa Francorchamps would be intense backwards, especially Eau Rouge.
Monaco would be very challenging, especially the last corner, which would become the first.
Indianapolis would be interesting as the first corner would be the banked corner.
I'd like to see A1 Ring backwards as well.

I´ve raced Spa in Gp2 backwards and it´s amazing: Both big straights are now downhill, which make them way faster. Pouhon and specially La Source are incredible backwards. In La Source you see absolutely nothing. Eau Rouge would be too dangerous at the exit I´m afraid, as the wall is right there.

jackanderton · Post by **jackanderton** » 14 Apr 2010, 12:44

Silverstone!

Silverstone could work. Imagine the squeeze going into Woodcote/Luffield on the first lap and the cars whizzing through Chapel-Becketts-Maggotts then onto Copse after coming down Hangar Straight. That'd be a test of mettle on a par with Eau Rouge.

Indeed. Also a high speed entrance to the start and finish straight.

SDHammer · Post by **SDHammer** » 15 Apr 2010, 13:15

Collieafc wrote:Mangy Cours would have been interesting, if only trying to see them try and tackle the last corner first (cant remember what it was called)

Wasn't the last corner called Lycee?

I reckon Monza could be cool if ran backwards. Imagine all the contraversy if someone got a tow through Curva Grande and had a lung down the inside at final (first) chicane.

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 15 Apr 2010, 22:49

I seem to recall that the Racing School at Brands used to have pupils drive the circuit in the reverse direction as part of the training. I think perhaps towards the end of the course to test adaptability.
Wonder if some of their ancient FFs could actually make it up Paddock Hill.

Yannick wrote:They switched the direction of Misano a while ago. I haven't got a clue as to why, but they did.

The track direction was changed as part of modifications to again allow a World Motorcycle Championship event.

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 15 Apr 2010, 23:25

SDHammer wrote:
Collieafc wrote:Mangy Cours would have been interesting, if only trying to see them try and tackle the last corner first (cant remember what it was called)

Wasn't the last corner called Lycee?

I reckon Monza could be cool if ran backwards. Imagine all the contraversy if someone got a tow through Curva Grande and had a lung down the inside at final (first) chicane.

My point exactly.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 16 Apr 2010, 12:51

Just today I had a wacky idea-in every race, run half the laps forward and the other half backward, and count both halfs for the points standings.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 16 Apr 2010, 19:49

I've raced at Spa in GP4 backwards. On certain camera angles, going down Eau Rouge looks like a rollercoaster drop.