Villeneuve Racing

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 27 Aug 2010, 17:11

Some Italian website or magazine last week claimed Epsilon Euskadi had withdrawn their entry. Apparently, they were a little overzealous to get Villeneuve into F1...

I can still see the FIA decide on him though, probably partyl because of pressure by Bernie Ecclestone and Ron Dennis, who are keen on having the famous name back. Much will depend on the sponsoring, I guess... (nothing new there, was there?)

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 28 Aug 2010, 00:30

Waris wrote:Some Italian website or magazine last week claimed Epsilon Euskadi had withdrawn their entry. Apparently, they were a little overzealous to get Villeneuve into F1...

Of course they would be - Villeneuve/Durango would likely run under an Italian licence as Durango is an Italian team. Villeneuve might be Canadian, but he's only lending his name to the project. It would be another Italian team on the grid.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 28 Aug 2010, 01:22

Captain Hammer wrote:
Waris wrote:Some Italian website or magazine last week claimed Epsilon Euskadi had withdrawn their entry. Apparently, they were a little overzealous to get Villeneuve into F1...

Of course they would be - Villeneuve/Durango would likely run under an Italian licence as Durango is an Italian team. Villeneuve might be Canadian, but he's only lending his name to the project. It would be another Italian team on the grid.

I wonder which tries this tactic more often...the Whole Spanish Press or La Gazzetta Dello Sport? There's only one way to find out...FIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 28 Aug 2010, 04:00

The whole Spanish press, if Google Fight is to be believed.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 28 Aug 2010, 09:00

Waris wrote:Some Italian website or magazine last week claimed Epsilon Euskadi had withdrawn their entry. Apparently, they were a little overzealous to get Villeneuve into F1...

Not what Autosport have been suggesting at the end of this week...

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 28 Aug 2010, 10:16

Yep, that's what we've been discussing for the last half a page.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 28 Aug 2010, 16:00

Captain Hammer wrote:The whole Spanish press, if Google Fight is to be believed.

It also suggest you'll win the avatar challenge against Carlos.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 28 Aug 2010, 16:31

kostas22 wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:The whole Spanish press, if Google Fight is to be believed.

It also suggest you'll win the avatar challenge against Carlos.

Noooo!

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 28 Aug 2010, 16:49

CarlosFerreira wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:The whole Spanish press, if Google Fight is to be believed.

It also suggest you'll win the avatar challenge against Carlos.

Noooo!

Just make sure you include 'Nico Hulkenberg' in anything you ever publish on the internet! It's your only hope!

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 28 Aug 2010, 18:44

And my rivaly has been successfully resolved

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 28 Aug 2010, 18:48

P_Friesacher · Post by **P_Friesacher** » 28 Aug 2010, 19:00

However...

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 28 Aug 2010, 19:07

P_Friesacher wrote:However...

Nakajima has the unfair advantage of being around when the internet was much more popular.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 28 Aug 2010, 21:05

This one seems closer than it really was...

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 28 Aug 2010, 21:13

Perhaps a sign of things to come?

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 28 Aug 2010, 21:50

AndreaModa wrote:Perhaps a sign of things to come?

If we fast forward to 2006, Sammy has a much harder task ahead of him...
I also tried to see how Alex Katajamäki fared against all three of them...and quite frankly he got crushed.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 28 Aug 2010, 22:08

You would be surprised.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 28 Aug 2010, 23:19

Here's another one that you might relate to.

Mister Fungus · Post by **Mister Fungus** » 29 Aug 2010, 00:26

Why is FIA waiting so long to choose the team, they should've been finished with that process in april or even sooner, waiting so long makes no sense they only make it way harder for potential teams.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 29 Aug 2010, 00:40

REVENGE!

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 29 Aug 2010, 00:59

Mister Fungus wrote:Why is FIA waiting so long to choose the team, they should've been finished with that process in april or even sooner, waiting so long makes no sense they only make it way harder for potential teams.

Because they want to avoid a USF1 situation arising. Back when it started to become apparent that USF1 was in serious trouble (and not just the media speculation kind of trouble), Nick Wirth said that Wirth research had signed off on Manor/Virgin's final design by the end of August 2009, and that anyone who took any longer than that would really struggle to make the grid. I'm willing to bet that in order to avoid a repeat of this situation, the FIA have requested that the new teams all submit a final design of their cars so that the FIA knows they have a clearly-defined path for the next few months.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 29 Aug 2010, 14:32

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:You would be surprised.

Not that hard when you misspell Epsilon, eh.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 30 Aug 2010, 02:35

According to Epsilon Euskadi's Joan Villadelprat, the teams find out who is in today. However, given the number of setbacks and conflicting dates so far, I'm not holding my breath. If the FIA are going to announce it any time, I'd say they'd do it at the WMSC meeting on the 7th. But then, that's a special meeting for the purposes of disciplining Ferrari, so maybe today is the day after all.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 30 Aug 2010, 14:53

Captain Hammer wrote:According to Epsilon Euskadi's Joan Villadelprat, the teams find out who is in today. However, given the number of setbacks and conflicting dates so far, I'm not holding my breath. If the FIA are going to announce it any time, I'd say they'd do it at the WMSC meeting on the 7th. But then, that's a special meeting for the purposes of disciplining Ferrari, so maybe today is the day after all.

TBH nobody knows. While he was still collaborating with Cypher, Jonathan Summerton told me the announcement was going to be the first week of August. Look how that turned out...oh wait, it didn't, that's the whole point.

Whoever 'wins' this is thoroughly screwed. Wouldn't surprise me if the FIA retroactively changes the conditions of the whole new team selection to entry for the 2012 season instead of 2011 (presuming someone up there has some sense).

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 31 Aug 2010, 14:45

kostas22 wrote:
Whoever 'wins' this is thoroughly screwed. Wouldn't surprise me if the FIA retroactively changes the conditions of the whole new team selection to entry for the 2012 season instead of 2011 (presuming someone up there has some sense).

I wouldn't bet on that. Furthermore, I think whoever wins this will be eager to enter in 2011 and will therefore think they'll have enough time to do everything.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 31 Aug 2010, 14:53

Phoenix wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
Whoever 'wins' this is thoroughly screwed. Wouldn't surprise me if the FIA retroactively changes the conditions of the whole new team selection to entry for the 2012 season instead of 2011 (presuming someone up there has some sense).

I wouldn't bet on that. Furthermore, I think whoever wins this will be eager to enter in 2011 and will therefore think they'll have enough time to do everything.

Perhaps it would make technical sense to postpone, but I agree with Phoenix: investors would be long gone by 2012.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 31 Aug 2010, 23:20

CarlosFerreira wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
Whoever 'wins' this is thoroughly screwed. Wouldn't surprise me if the FIA retroactively changes the conditions of the whole new team selection to entry for the 2012 season instead of 2011 (presuming someone up there has some sense).

I wouldn't bet on that. Furthermore, I think whoever wins this will be eager to enter in 2011 and will therefore think they'll have enough time to do everything.

Perhaps it would make technical sense to postpone, but I agree with Phoenix: investors would be long gone by 2012.

That's right what Carlos says about the investors, but to Phoenix's remarks I would like to add, that yes, they will think that, but they will probably be mistaken.

Then again, when were Lotus given a place, again? Somewhere around this time of year, I guess?

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 01 Sep 2010, 01:15

I believe it was late September, but I'm not certain. Either way they made a lot of fanfare about how they were given so little notice to prepare, which jusging by their results this season, they've had every right to do. A team can make it in time for the new season from now, they just need to make the right choices, be conservative and careful with their money. Something that neither Campos nor USF1 did.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 01 Sep 2010, 05:07

Late August/early September was the date given. Late September is far too late in the game.

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 01 Sep 2010, 06:19

When did Lotus get notice of their berth last season?

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 01 Sep 2010, 07:15

September, but Gascoye had already designed the car for the Litespeed-Lotus project.

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 01 Sep 2010, 07:21

Captain Hammer wrote:September, but Gascoye had already designed the car for the Litespeed-Lotus project.

But these prospective teams had to submit car designs as well, am I right?

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 01 Sep 2010, 07:26

The teams for 2010 did not. I suspect the teams for 2011 do have to.

watka · Post by **watka** » 01 Sep 2010, 21:52

JeremyMcClean wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Villeneuve Racing: the new BAR.

Very much agreed. He can't tell that the project is turning into a useless waste of money!

So basically, you think that the team will do terribly, get taken over by a manufacturer, get abandoned by a manufacturer, and then win the championship, in the space of the next 10 years?

And Klon, I stand by all things Google, and therefore I stand defeated (for the meantime).

watka · Post by **watka** » 01 Sep 2010, 21:59

RLeb wrote:
My mom was born in Boston, so watch it, or i'll throw clam chowda' and a candlepin bowling pin at you!

This sport is just unnecessarily different: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zw4r5ur ... re=related
What's wrong with 10-pin?

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 04 Sep 2010, 22:01

watka wrote:
So basically, you think that the team will do terribly, get taken over by a manufacturer, get abandoned by a manufacturer, and then win the championship, in the space of the next 10 years?

Definetly the part about the team doing terribly. I doubt they'll last more than a year.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 04 Sep 2010, 22:34

JeremyMcClean wrote:
watka wrote:
So basically, you think that the team will do terribly, get taken over by a manufacturer, get abandoned by a manufacturer, and then win the championship, in the space of the next 10 years?

Definetly the part about the team doing terribly. I doubt they'll last more than a year.

But the FIA will think that its the team's problem, and that their rules are perfect. :roll:

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 04 Sep 2010, 22:34

After the USF1 problems, it seems to me that Bernie (or whoever), wants to make sure that any new teams are ready to go. I.e. everything has to be in place as a functioning GP team before candidates will even be considered. This is not so bad as far as design/build is concerned. The teams know they may fail & go into the project with that in mind. Though how they fund it I am not sure. The question of investors & sponsorship though is a major problem. ROI is all important. All three of this year's new teams were kind of bailed out late in the day by specifically, HRT, Virgin & Lotus (Malaysia) taking on the Litespeed project.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 05 Sep 2010, 10:15

eagleash wrote:After the USF1 problems, it seems to me that Bernie (or whoever), wants to make sure that any new teams are ready to go. I.e. everything has to be in place as a functioning GP team before candidates will even be considered. This is not so bad as far as design/build is concerned. The teams know they may fail & go into the project with that in mind. Though how they fund it I am not sure. The question of investors & sponsorship though is a major problem. ROI is all important. All three of this year's new teams were kind of bailed out late in the day by specifically, HRT, Virgin & Lotus (Malaysia) taking on the Litespeed project.

That does make for an interesting strategy: why not, then, come up with a well-designed, underfunded project, and then when the FIA accepts it, you let some big company buy it out?

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 05 Sep 2010, 11:03

Waris wrote:
eagleash wrote:After the USF1 problems, it seems to me that Bernie (or whoever), wants to make sure that any new teams are ready to go. I.e. everything has to be in place as a functioning GP team before candidates will even be considered. This is not so bad as far as design/build is concerned. The teams know they may fail & go into the project with that in mind. Though how they fund it I am not sure. The question of investors & sponsorship though is a major problem. ROI is all important. All three of this year's new teams were kind of bailed out late in the day by specifically, HRT, Virgin & Lotus (Malaysia) taking on the Litespeed project.

That does make for an interesting strategy: why not, then, come up with a well-designed, underfunded project, and then when the FIA accepts it, you let some big company buy it out?

The "well designed" part being moot, that is more or less what happened.