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Hamilton, for obvious reasons.
Also, the stewards for their handling of the Hulk's driving.
Also, the stewards for their handling of the Hulk's driving.
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Bridgestone, Hamilton, Yamamoto, stewards, ugh so much to choose from.
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Lewis Hamilton, race stewards and McLaren strategists are good candidats for ROTR. But my number one is (after I was a bit harsh on Hispania the other day) the TV director.
Was it me, or they did a pretty bad job today? They didn't bother to show the pitstops until after half the race. You couldn't know who had pitted because they weren't showing it. Then they spent the first 15 or so laps following the Button-Alonso fight, and when they got to the expected pitstop window, they started to follow the middle of the pack and forget about the leaders.
I exclude Bridgestone because bringing good tyres that last the distance can't really be called rejectful (remember Indy 2005?). But it really pisses me off, to be honest.
Was it me, or they did a pretty bad job today? They didn't bother to show the pitstops until after half the race. You couldn't know who had pitted because they weren't showing it. Then they spent the first 15 or so laps following the Button-Alonso fight, and when they got to the expected pitstop window, they started to follow the middle of the pack and forget about the leaders.
I exclude Bridgestone because bringing good tyres that last the distance can't really be called rejectful (remember Indy 2005?). But it really pisses me off, to be honest.
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Ferrim wrote:Lewis Hamilton, race stewards and McLaren strategists are good candidats for ROTR. But my number one is (after I was a bit harsh on Hispania the other day) the TV director.
Was it me, or they did a pretty bad job today? They didn't bother to show the pitstops until after half the race. You couldn't know who had pitted because they weren't showing it. Then they spent the first 15 or so laps following the Button-Alonso fight, and when they got to the expected pitstop window, they started to follow the middle of the pack and forget about the leaders.
I exclude Bridgestone because bringing good tyres that last the distance can't really be called rejectful (remember Indy 2005?). But it really pisses me off, to be honest.
It annoys me when they spend laps 2-5 showing endless replays of the start. "You do know there's a race on, don't you?"
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DonTirri wrote:My nomination:
The Entire McLaren congregation.
From the F-duct indeciviness debacle to Hamiltons self-afflicted retirement to tactical blunder with Button to the lack of attack Button gave to Alonso, McLaren threw away a golden opportunity.
I do wonder, though, how the race would have played out had Alonso not knocked out part of his diffuser - and Button did still finish on the podium, not that far off Alonso, so I wouldn't say that it was a total disaster for Mclaren.
As for Hamilton, he was a bit frustrated after yesterday, so I think that he might have been a little over enthusiastic to make up ground, and simply over did it. For the fact that he has been willing to take the blame on his shoulders, and not make any excuses, I'm willing to temper my criticism a little: still a pretty bad mistake, though, because this was a prime opportunity for him to get ahead of, instead of fall behind, Webber.
In addition, it has to be pointed out that Bridgestone are helping to make the races dull when you know that the drivers just wait for somebody else to make the change instead of trying to pass. They seem to be so petrified of bad publicity that the tyres are now, frankly, massively overbuilt - Chandhok revealed that they if it wasn't for the regulations, they could go the distance on one set of tyres for most races, and that the hard tyres could probably do at least two full race distances at full racing speed. We saw it today, where quite a few drivers made up places by simply waiting it out.
Also, what were the stewards doing today when Hulkenberg repeatedly cut the chicanes? Once, perhaps, is acceptable (at the second chicane, when both Webber and Kubica were still a few hundred metres back down the road) because in that instance, he didn't affect anyone else. But to do it repeatedly (at least three times, and probably closer to four times), and in one instance use that to his advantage, by blocking Webber off on the exit, should have at least been looked at by the stewards.
However, my nomination has to be Yamamoto and the HRT pit crew - yes, I know that it is easy to critise his pace, or lack of it, but to injure somebody else, especially when it could have been a serious accident, is a good bit worse. I'm just glad that the only injuries that radio technician seems to have received are bruises and cuts.
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1st BRIDGESTONE
Soft tyres that last for a qualifying run AND the entire race. This should be impossible. What are you doing Bridgestone?!
2nd ADRIAN SUTIL
Went off on the first lap and dropped to last - spending almost the entire race on hard tyres turned out to be a big mistake. Only finishing ahead of the new teams, and being lapped by the leaders at the car's best track in the entire calendar? What a waste.
Soft tyres that last for a qualifying run AND the entire race. This should be impossible. What are you doing Bridgestone?!
2nd ADRIAN SUTIL
Went off on the first lap and dropped to last - spending almost the entire race on hard tyres turned out to be a big mistake. Only finishing ahead of the new teams, and being lapped by the leaders at the car's best track in the entire calendar? What a waste.
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Yamamoto and Hamilton are top candidates for me.
However, I think Yamamoto's error (apparently driving off with a man servicing the radio inside the cockpit) was more rejectful than Hamilton's errors.
However, I think Yamamoto's error (apparently driving off with a man servicing the radio inside the cockpit) was more rejectful than Hamilton's errors.
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Ed24 wrote:However, I think Yamamoto's error (apparently driving off with a man servicing the radio inside the cockpit) was more rejectful than Hamilton's errors.
Depends if the man was in his eyeline. If not, then it was the lollipop guy's fault.
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mario wrote:In addition, it has to be pointed out that Bridgestone are helping to make the races dull when you know that the drivers just wait for somebody else to make the change instead of trying to pass. They seem to be so petrified of bad publicity that the tyres are now, frankly, massively overbuilt - Chandhok revealed that they if it wasn't for the regulations, they could go the distance on one set of tyres for most races, and that the hard tyres could probably do at least two full race distances at full racing speed. We saw it today, where quite a few drivers made up places by simply waiting it out.
And, as a result, we endured another Bahrain-grade snorefest. Hence, Tyres-made-of-stone gets my nominations.
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Lewis Hamilton - stupid, stupid mistake.
Nico Hulkenberg - all over the place.
Sakon Yamamoto - how the hell do you drive out of your pit box with someone leaning into your car!?
Bridgestone - fifty two laps? On a "soft" tyre? Am I just too old, or does anyone else remember a time when a soft tyre would go off after fifteen laps?
But for me, the Reject of the Race is ...
Formula 1 - Alonso's victory proved that a team can buy a shot at a World Championship they would otherwise have no claim to for just a hundred thousand dollars. If Fernando Alonso wins the championship this year, it will be because of Ferrari's actions at Hockenheim. And I might just stop watching the sport altogether.
Nico Hulkenberg - all over the place.
Sakon Yamamoto - how the hell do you drive out of your pit box with someone leaning into your car!?
Bridgestone - fifty two laps? On a "soft" tyre? Am I just too old, or does anyone else remember a time when a soft tyre would go off after fifteen laps?
But for me, the Reject of the Race is ...
Formula 1 - Alonso's victory proved that a team can buy a shot at a World Championship they would otherwise have no claim to for just a hundred thousand dollars. If Fernando Alonso wins the championship this year, it will be because of Ferrari's actions at Hockenheim. And I might just stop watching the sport altogether.
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Captain Hammer wrote:Sakon Yamamoto - how the hell do you drive out of your pit box with someone leaning into your car!?
If they're doing something out of your eyeline, which has been suggested was the case.
Captain Hammer wrote:Formula 1 - Alonso's victory proved that a team can buy a shot at a World Championship they would otherwise have no claim to for just a hundred thousand dollars. If Fernando Alonso wins the championship this year, it will be because of Ferrari's actions at Hockenheim. And I might just stop watching the sport altogether.
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Captain Hammer wrote:Sakon Yamamoto - how the hell do you drive out of your pit box with someone leaning into your car!?
Formula 1 - Alonso's victory proved that a team can buy a shot at a World Championship they would otherwise have no claim to for just a hundred thousand dollars. If Fernando Alonso wins the championship this year, it will be because of Ferrari's actions at Hockenheim. And I might just stop watching the sport altogether.
Yamamoto is exempt because his radio engineer was out of his line of sight - and the lollipop man let him go.
As for the last point...this is the Italian Grand Prix. Not Germany. It's not relevant...you can throw as many ifs and buts at me as you like, but it doesn't change the fact Alonso won the race fairly today.
However I would personally nominate F1 if at all for producing a Bahrain-esque race at a track which is usaully decent enough for overtaking.
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CarlosFerreira wrote:Hence, Tyres-made-of-stone gets my nominations.
Mere stone? The universe would have collapsed in on itself before those wretched things gave out. Bridgestone are in the wrong buisness, they should be designing and building bunkers that could survive a direct nuclear strike with that material.
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kostas22 wrote:As for the last point...this is the Italian Grand Prix. Not Germany. It's not relevant...you can throw as many ifs and buts at me as you like, but it doesn't change the fact Alonso won the race fairly today.
My point is valid, because without the German Grand Prix, Alonso wouldn't be in the same position he is today. I'm not so much thinking of the race here as I am the entire week: the FIA's decision not to punish Ferrari created a bad precedent. They should have annulled Ferrari's points from Hockenheim, but they didn't. The results stood, Alonso is now third in the championship and Formula 1 as a whole loses out.
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LukeB wrote:CarlosFerreira wrote:Hence, Tyres-made-of-stone gets my nominations.
Mere stone? The universe would have collapsed in on itself before those wretched things gave out. Bridgestone are in the wrong buisness, they should be designing and building bunkers that could survive a direct nuclear strike with that material.
Good point. Maybe that's why they're leaving F1, to concentrate on their construction business.
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Captain Hammer wrote:kostas22 wrote:As for the last point...this is the Italian Grand Prix. Not Germany. It's not relevant...you can throw as many ifs and buts at me as you like, but it doesn't change the fact Alonso won the race fairly today.
My point is valid, because without the German Grand Prix, Alonso wouldn't be in the same position he is today. I'm not so much thinking of the race here as I am the entire week: the FIA's decision not to punish Ferrari created a bad precedent. They should have annulled Ferrari's points from Hockenheim, but they didn't. The results stood, Alonso is now third in the championship and Formula 1 as a whole loses out.
Five drivers can win the title instead of four. They're so called 'cheating' didn't disadvantage anyone other than Massa.
I don't see where the loss is.
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kostas22 wrote:Five drivers can win the title instead of four. They're so called 'cheating' didn't disadvantage anyone other than Massa.
Because if Alonso wins the title, there's a very good chance it will be because Ferrari fixed a race outcome for him. Which undermines an entire year of racing.
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fjackdaw wrote:Ed24 wrote:However, I think Yamamoto's error (apparently driving off with a man servicing the radio inside the cockpit) was more rejectful than Hamilton's errors.
Depends if the man was in his eyeline. If not, then it was the lollipop guy's fault.
Having now seen the video (refer to race thread), I change my vote to the HRT lolly pop man.
I hope the mechanic is ok!
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1) Nico Hulkenberg and the FIA: Cutting the chicane once should have given Hulkster a warning. A second time should have been a penalty right then and there. Three times is way too much. And if it was a break pedal problem that was causing him to cut the chicanes, then he should have parked the car. On top of that, we've seen him do this before.
2) NOT Yamamoto but HRT's Lollipop man and HRT in general: Signaling that the car should leave when someone is working on the car is daft. Running normal wings instead of low-drag wings, constant issues with the cars, and the pitlane incident just make them look downright awful. And I remember watching F1 back in 1994; neither Pacific nor Simtek did anything like that.
3) Mark Webber: This is the 2nd or 3rd bad start he had recently. That, and showing no pace throughout the race was rather off putting, though part of that might have been from Hulkenberg (who seemed to learn a few things from Kobayashi it seems).
Dishonorable mentions:
- Force India: Sutil got pushed into the gravel; that happens at Monza. But what happened with Liuzzi?
- Bridgestone: I refuse to give them nominations simply because they brought a good tire to a demanding track. That said, soft tires shouldn't last the whole race distance.
- The concept of a Formula One Team: This has been nagging me ever since the Hockenheim debacle. We know team orders are banned, but Ferrari makes an interesting point: if there are no team orders, are these teams even really teams? If one person is doing well but needs to serve the team leader, then should he? And it's not just Formula One that has this issue. Look at professional cycling, where each rider has to help the leader gain top position, though if a second-in-line rider has a higher position, he might not want to give up that position to the leader. That said, if these Formula One teams are not teams, what should they be called? Organizations? Just food for thought.
2) NOT Yamamoto but HRT's Lollipop man and HRT in general: Signaling that the car should leave when someone is working on the car is daft. Running normal wings instead of low-drag wings, constant issues with the cars, and the pitlane incident just make them look downright awful. And I remember watching F1 back in 1994; neither Pacific nor Simtek did anything like that.
3) Mark Webber: This is the 2nd or 3rd bad start he had recently. That, and showing no pace throughout the race was rather off putting, though part of that might have been from Hulkenberg (who seemed to learn a few things from Kobayashi it seems).
Dishonorable mentions:
- Force India: Sutil got pushed into the gravel; that happens at Monza. But what happened with Liuzzi?
- Bridgestone: I refuse to give them nominations simply because they brought a good tire to a demanding track. That said, soft tires shouldn't last the whole race distance.
- The concept of a Formula One Team: This has been nagging me ever since the Hockenheim debacle. We know team orders are banned, but Ferrari makes an interesting point: if there are no team orders, are these teams even really teams? If one person is doing well but needs to serve the team leader, then should he? And it's not just Formula One that has this issue. Look at professional cycling, where each rider has to help the leader gain top position, though if a second-in-line rider has a higher position, he might not want to give up that position to the leader. That said, if these Formula One teams are not teams, what should they be called? Organizations? Just food for thought.
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Mark Webber possibly deserves a mention as he seemed to hold back and wait for The Hulk to be penalised, which of course he wasnt. He appeared to waste valuable laps as once he'd been told Hulk wasnt going to give the place back he overtook him quite quickly. The great golaar.
Hamilton made a mistake but he held his hand up to it afterwards.
Did I hear correctly that Our Sakon set off while an engineer was working in his cockpit??!! As Brundle commented, how did the driver not see him? Maybe because Sakon sees the world in a different spectrum.
Anyway, I nominate Yamamoto because of the above and because he is an F1 Reject.
Hamilton made a mistake but he held his hand up to it afterwards.
Did I hear correctly that Our Sakon set off while an engineer was working in his cockpit??!! As Brundle commented, how did the driver not see him? Maybe because Sakon sees the world in a different spectrum.
Anyway, I nominate Yamamoto because of the above and because he is an F1 Reject.
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Captain Hammer wrote:Sakon Yamamoto - how the hell do you drive out of your pit box with someone leaning into your car!?
Its true then. Magic. Brings new meaning to the phrase "Move it or lose it".
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coops wrote:Captain Hammer wrote:Sakon Yamamoto - how the hell do you drive out of your pit box with someone leaning into your car!?
Its true then. Magic. Brings new meaning to the phrase "Move it or lose it".
Watch the video on the race discussion thread - quite a shocker, and not Sakon's fault. My Boy Lollipop all the way.
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Two candidates
Lewis Hamilton - Sorry, but that incident in the first lap was inexcuseable
Kamui Kobayashi's car - How the heck did he retire again?
Sakon Yamamoto's pit crew - What the heck happened?
Lewis Hamilton - Sorry, but that incident in the first lap was inexcuseable
Kamui Kobayashi's car - How the heck did he retire again?
Sakon Yamamoto's pit crew - What the heck happened?
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Force India - Did not live up to expectations, everyone was expecting a lot from them, including me.
If I was a bit less biased towards Williams, I would have nominated the stewards for not giving Hulkenberg a penalty.
If I was a bit less biased towards Williams, I would have nominated the stewards for not giving Hulkenberg a penalty.
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JeremyMcClean wrote:Three candidates
Lewis Hamilton - Sorry, but that incident in the first lap was inexcuseable
Kamui Kobayashi's car - How the heck did he retire again?
Sakon Yamamoto's pit crew - What the heck happened?
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Ed24 wrote:fjackdaw wrote:Ed24 wrote:However, I think Yamamoto's error (apparently driving off with a man servicing the radio inside the cockpit) was more rejectful than Hamilton's errors.
Depends if the man was in his eyeline. If not, then it was the lollipop guy's fault.
Having now seen the video (refer to race thread), I change my vote to the HRT lolly pop man.
I hope the mechanic is ok!
True, on reviewing video footage of the incident, I agree that Yamamoto would probably have been unaware that there was somebody there, and the blame for the accident seems to lie with the lollipop man, who failed to make sure that everybody was clear of the car.
Thankfully, though, all of the reports about the mechanic seem to indicate that, although he is suffering from quite a bit of bruising, he has not been seriously injured. Hopefully, we should find out more about his condition later.
However, I am starting to wonder if perhaps the stewards are perhaps more deserving of a getting the ROTR - Alguersuari has popped up to say that he is mistified about getting a drive through penalty for cutting the track, as he neither gained on the drivers in front, increased his advantage to the drivers behind him, or prevented somebody passing him (in other words, he claims to have gained no advantage for cutting the track). http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86649
To be honest, I think he has a point - looking at the timing information, I can't see any dramatic changes in lap time, so I can't tell when he is supposed to have cut the track and gained an advantage. Yet, at the same time, they thought that Hulkenberg's repeated chicane hopping, which arguably did benefit him, as he was able to hold Mark Webber behind him for much longer, was not worth investigating, and dismissed the appeals of Red Bull without a second thought.
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Right, hands up - it wasn't Sandbag's fault, just the lollipop man.
Now, I have to ask - isn't it weird that a mechanic would pop in there to fiddle with some wires? Isn't there a limit to the number of people that can be around the car in a pit stop? And - crucially - what was the rush in sending him out again?!
Now, I have to ask - isn't it weird that a mechanic would pop in there to fiddle with some wires? Isn't there a limit to the number of people that can be around the car in a pit stop? And - crucially - what was the rush in sending him out again?!
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fjackdaw wrote:Watch the video on the race discussion thread.
Watched. Made me jump. Not good.
Theres been much talk of driver safety but how long, I wonder, before a member of a pit crew suffers a fatal injury.
And those guys dont get paid millions of dollars.
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Reject of the race... there are many candidates...
2010 Italian Grand Prix: I'm sorry, but this race made last night's NASCAR race look good. ... and that race was also really boring!
Nico Hulkenberg: Sloppy driving. Did not at all deserve his result. If this is the best he can do, then he should be replaced post-haste.
The Obviousness of Renault's #1/#2 Driver Selection: Says enough really.
Sakon Yamamoto: Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. One should not even speak a word about possible driver injuries when you have Yamamoto around trying to kill his own pit crew out of negligence...
Hispania: A hopeless saga of failure. But I love it!!! Especially the colorscheme!![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif)
The Coverage: What happened to Sutil? Why are the British commentators so crap? Why was the TV director not paying attention to anything?!
2010 Italian Grand Prix: I'm sorry, but this race made last night's NASCAR race look good. ... and that race was also really boring!
Nico Hulkenberg: Sloppy driving. Did not at all deserve his result. If this is the best he can do, then he should be replaced post-haste.
The Obviousness of Renault's #1/#2 Driver Selection: Says enough really.
Sakon Yamamoto: Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. One should not even speak a word about possible driver injuries when you have Yamamoto around trying to kill his own pit crew out of negligence...
Hispania: A hopeless saga of failure. But I love it!!! Especially the colorscheme!
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The Coverage: What happened to Sutil? Why are the British commentators so crap? Why was the TV director not paying attention to anything?!
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kostas22 wrote:1st BRIDGESTONE
Soft tyres that last for a qualifying run AND the entire race. This should be impossible. What are you doing Bridgestone?!
I think we've had this discussion on the forum before about Bridgestone. Bridgestone are never going to bring a deliberately poor tyre to a grand prix weekend because it makes zero marketing sense. Sure, it's unlikely that we'll ever have another Indy-gate, but they must be getting some kind of good publicity from producing tyres that are capable of doing that distance under such stress.
Captain Hammer wrote:Formula 1 - Alonso's victory proved that a team can buy a shot at a World Championship they would otherwise have no claim to for just a hundred thousand dollars. If Fernando Alonso wins the championship this year, it will be because of Ferrari's actions at Hockenheim. And I might just stop watching the sport altogether.
On reflection, I think that the FIA would have been better off not issuing the fine at all. It was kind of a half measure to satisfy the fans in the mean time until they sorted out the rules on team orders.
LukeB wrote:CarlosFerreira wrote:Hence, Tyres-made-of-stone gets my nominations.
Mere stone? The universe would have collapsed in on itself before those wretched things gave out. Bridgestone are in the wrong buisness, they should be designing and building bunkers that could survive a direct nuclear strike with that material.
New sig for me I think!
Anyway my nominations are:
BMW Sauber - Sauber seemed to return to their old antics this weekend. They were pretty off the paces once again and clearly don't have the best low downforce package around. Pedro de la Rosa was slow once again, and Kobayashi didn't have the chance of a banzai run into the points due to his gearbox failure. it will be interesting to see if this is a blip or whether other teams have overtaken them again.
Force India - Dour weekend for the Force. Liuzzi had his problems in Q1, but realistically was well off the pace anyway. Sutil was expected to be a safe bet for Q3 but didn't make it either. Liuzzi was no where in the race, and Sutil couldn't make up for his early incident. Clearly they've sacrificed their low downforce sit up for all round performance. At this stage last year, they had 13 points. On the same points basis, they have 16 points this year, plus a lot less publicity. Worth the sacrifice?
Mark Webber's starts - He's had a few bad starts this season. He had a shocker at Spa, but got away with it. Not so today. Had he got off the line properly then he wouldn't have had the trouble of having to deal with Hulkenberg, and wouldn't have faced the prospect of being leapfrogged by Vettel. Had Hamilton have finished, then this could have been classified as a disaster for Webber.
Stewards - Nico Hulkenberg got away with it big time today. It's not the first time he's been chicane-hopping (I think it was Canada where he did it a lot before), and whilst there is some debate as to whether or not he held onto his place from Webber (Webber did not make a move going into the corner, but Hulkenberg did defend himself against Webber coming out of the corner), he repeatedly "shortened the track", to use FIA terminology. At last year's race, they had a rule in place that cutting chicanes 3 times meant an automatic drive-through penalty, and it worked well as a rule. Where was that this year?
Yamamoto's lollipop man - I've seen the video as well and it's never nice to see that. The lollipop man has the most important job in the pit crew and he should put safety above all else, especially considering that HRT weren't in any kind of race against anyone.
But my ROTR is:
Lewis Hamilton - The only driver to really have stuffed up today. He went for a gap that was always going to disappear, and he knew it. It least he was able to admit this. Hamilton is a bit of a flawed genius, as he's brilliantly aggressive, but sometimes just doesn't realise where the line is. He can't always expect gaps to open up for him, especially on the first lap of a grand prix.
Watka - you know, the swimming horses guy
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LukeB wrote:Hey remember Canada, with the tyres falling apart giving us a great race? Remember how we were supposed to get tyres that degraded quicker for the rest of the season to make the races more intresting?
Go to hell Bridgestone. Rejects.
Totally agree.
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Hamilton should get ROTR award here, his Roggia move was plain stupid considering the championship situation (plus the decision to run without F-duct in qualifying that set him back on the grid already)
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I'm tempted to nominate Hamilton, because that was a really silly move from him, but I'd give ROTR to the stewards. Come on, that chicane-cutting from Hulkenburg was clear as day! He did it not once, not twice, but thrice. Yes, Webber didn't make a move on him at any point, but that third time he clearly blocked Webber, which he wouldn't have been able to do had he made the chicane, because he would've been slower from recovering.
Honourable mentions to Bridgestone for making the most durable soft tyres ever. Of all time. I can't wait for Pirelli to come in so we can get some proper soft tyres.
Honourable mentions to Bridgestone for making the most durable soft tyres ever. Of all time. I can't wait for Pirelli to come in so we can get some proper soft tyres.
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Only two nominations from me, firstly:
Hispania - Yes they are miles off the pace but they didn't even come close to resembling a professional outfit this weekend, they are still having the exact same problems they had at the beginning of the year, they spent most of free practice sending Bruno out for one lap at a time, having another stab at patching over the problem before sending him out again until eventually he parked it on the track. They turned up without a Monza spec package, then to top it off in the race Senna once again retires with problems whilst they release Yanamoto from the pits whilst a mechanic is working on his car. It seems they spent this weekend as a tribute to Andrea Moda.
Petrov - I'm a big Petrov fan but this weekend he was terrible, consistently slow he simply did nothing all weekend, ran around 1 second slower than his team mate at best throughout the weekend, another weekend like this and he'll be looking for a drive else where next year.
Hispania - Yes they are miles off the pace but they didn't even come close to resembling a professional outfit this weekend, they are still having the exact same problems they had at the beginning of the year, they spent most of free practice sending Bruno out for one lap at a time, having another stab at patching over the problem before sending him out again until eventually he parked it on the track. They turned up without a Monza spec package, then to top it off in the race Senna once again retires with problems whilst they release Yanamoto from the pits whilst a mechanic is working on his car. It seems they spent this weekend as a tribute to Andrea Moda.
Petrov - I'm a big Petrov fan but this weekend he was terrible, consistently slow he simply did nothing all weekend, ran around 1 second slower than his team mate at best throughout the weekend, another weekend like this and he'll be looking for a drive else where next year.
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ROTR-- Bridgestone. Uh, the SOFT tires aren't supposed to last an entire race.
Honorable mentions--
Lewis Hamilton. Ending your race that early was bush league.
Sakon Yamamoto. You ran down a crew member. You have all the awareness of a deaf and blind man.
Lucas Di Grassi. I don't know how, but you finished a race behind Sakon Yamamoto. Inexcuseable.
Honorable mentions--
Lewis Hamilton. Ending your race that early was bush league.
Sakon Yamamoto. You ran down a crew member. You have all the awareness of a deaf and blind man.
Lucas Di Grassi. I don't know how, but you finished a race behind Sakon Yamamoto. Inexcuseable.
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thehemogoblin wrote:ROTR-- Bridgestone. Uh, the SOFT tires aren't supposed to last an entire race.
Honorable mentions--
Lewis Hamilton. Ending your race that early was bush league.
Sakon Yamamoto. You ran down a crew member. You have all the awareness of a deaf and blind man.
Lucas Di Grassi. I don't know how, but you finished a race behind Sakon Yamamoto. Inexcuseable.
agree.... should of brought the super softs.....
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thehemogoblin wrote:Sakon Yamamoto. You ran down a crew member. You have all the awareness of a deaf and blind man.
Wearing a crash helmet, and with the crew-member standing behind him, he would! As has been established already, the lollipop man was to blame!
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thehemogoblin wrote:Lucas Di Grassi. I don't know how, but you finished a race behind Sakon Yamamoto. Inexcuseable.
According to the Virgin website he retired on the last lap with a suspension problem.
I'm going to put in a vote for Whoever was in charge of what gets broadcast; because Alguersuari cutting a chicane and getting a DTP recieved approximately 0 seconds of coverage. I mean, come on, Toro Rosso are a team too...
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GwilymJJames wrote:thehemogoblin wrote:Lucas Di Grassi. I don't know how, but you finished a race behind Sakon Yamamoto. Inexcuseable.
According to the Virgin website he retired on the last lap with a suspension problem.
I'm going to put in a vote for Whoever was in charge of what gets broadcast; because Alguersuari cutting a chicane and getting a DTP recieved approximately 0 seconds of coverage. I mean, come on, Toro Rosso are a team too...
True, the broadcasting was a bit weak today.
However, what is more interesting is that Alguersuari is complaining that he did not gain any advantage when cutting that chicane (and time wise, it appears that he did not gain anything). http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86649
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My nominations:
Lewis Hamilton: That really was a daft move by trying to go into a gap that was always going to close on him. However he's saved from complete rejectdom after refusing to play the blame game and said it was his mistake.
Force India: Sutil's stratagy backfires thanks to Bridgestone's super durable tyres and Liuzzi turns into the textbook definition of an anonymous midfielder.
The stewards: How they dealt with Hulkenberg was simply appauling and I've seen no justification of the Alguersuari penalty yet.
Hispania Racing Team: To put it simply: Go home Colin Kolles.
But my ROTR has to be:
Bridgestone: You can buld entire army bases out of the stuff those tyres are made out of. Remember to close the door when you leave with Kolles and co.
Lewis Hamilton: That really was a daft move by trying to go into a gap that was always going to close on him. However he's saved from complete rejectdom after refusing to play the blame game and said it was his mistake.
Force India: Sutil's stratagy backfires thanks to Bridgestone's super durable tyres and Liuzzi turns into the textbook definition of an anonymous midfielder.
The stewards: How they dealt with Hulkenberg was simply appauling and I've seen no justification of the Alguersuari penalty yet.
Hispania Racing Team: To put it simply: Go home Colin Kolles.
But my ROTR has to be:
Bridgestone: You can buld entire army bases out of the stuff those tyres are made out of. Remember to close the door when you leave with Kolles and co.
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