Your Reject of the Race - Brazil!

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 07 Nov 2010, 09:12

Ed24 wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:Because there is a statute in Brazilian law that protects the rights of spectators to see a fair and equal competition. If Massa were to let Alonso through, he would be manipulating the outcome of the race, thereby denying the spectators that right, and making him guilty of defrauding the crowd.

But I believe the law states (obviously its a translation so it could be wrong) that altering the result of a sporting event is illegal.

Surely Timo Glock in Brazil 2008 was guilty of this offence, as is every driver in every race.

Also, technically speaking, the 'result' doesn't exist until the race is over anyway.

I would assume that it is the deliberate altering of a sporting event's result that the law concerns.

Ross Prawn · Post by **Ross Prawn** » 07 Nov 2010, 09:29

Alonso's paid assassins for attacking the wrong McLaren limousine.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Nov 2010, 09:41

Ross Prawn wrote:Alonso's paid assassins for attacking the wrong McLaren limousine.

Conspiracy theorists, STAND UP!

LukeB · Post by **LukeB** » 07 Nov 2010, 15:20

Ross Prawn wrote:Alonso's paid assassins for attacking the wrong McLaren limousine.

Nelson Piquet really needed the money.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 07 Nov 2010, 16:50

Jaime Alguersuari - All of my hate! Go destroy your superlicense and never come back!

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 07 Nov 2010, 16:53

Barrichello's luck at Interlagos - He has Webber/Amon level luck at this circuit. Will it ever go right for him.

Super-reliability - Still no DNFs and we're half way through the race.

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 07 Nov 2010, 16:54

Bruno Senna appears to have forgotten that thing about letting faster cars lap you.

Libertango · Post by **Libertango** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:01

redbulljack14 wrote:Super-reliability - Still no DNFs and we're half way through the race.

Di grassi never disappoint

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:05

Libertango wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:Super-reliability - Still no DNFs and we're half way through the race.

Di grassi never disappoint

Well, you say that...

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:06

redbulljack14 wrote:Barrichello's luck at Interlagos - He has Webber/Amon level luck at this circuit. Will it ever go right for him.

Super-reliability - Still no DNFs and we're half way through the race.

is Klien not out?

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:08

WeirdKerr wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:Barrichello's luck at Interlagos - He has Webber/Amon level luck at this circuit. Will it ever go right for him.

Super-reliability - Still no DNFs and we're half way through the race.

is Klien not out?

6 laps down, but he's still there.

Luizzi, however, is out.

Libertango · Post by **Libertango** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:09

Damn! Di Grassi is playing games with me but Liuzzi is bringing the SC

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:26

Buemi- GET OUT OF FORMULA ONE!!!

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:31

Cynon wrote:Buemi- GET OUT OF FORMULA ONE!!!

Seconded

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:39

Buemi or Liuzzi.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:40

Brazilian F1 drivers, for completely dropping the ball today.

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:41

Safety Car-rules - why didn't they keep the rules from a few years ago with lapped cars going out from front

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:50

Hulkenberg, for qualifying on pole, but getting lapped, and finishing way down.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:50

Sebastien Buemi: He keeps bumping into people! If he could give Vettel a bump, that would be nice :lol:

Felipe Massa: Angered Brazilian fans, enough said

rffp · Post by **rffp** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:52

F1000X wrote:Brazilian F1 drivers, for completely dropping the ball today.

I will second that and add the cherry to the top of the cake: Paulo Castilho.

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:57

Liuzzi for me - one step forward, two steps back.

F1000X wrote:Brazilian F1 drivers, for completely dropping the ball today.

It wasn't Barrichello's or Massa's fault they had dodgy pitstops...

Massa would have been ahead of Button otherwise, and Barrichello would probably have got a couple of points.

patrick · Post by **patrick** » 07 Nov 2010, 17:58

I would suggest the lapped drivers especially such as Alguesuari who almost put nando in the wall

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 07 Nov 2010, 18:07

I'd say Force India to be frank, they had a rubbish qualifying, and despite Sutil running in the top 10 for a while before his stop, he finished outside whilst Liuzzi binned it and they've slipped behind Williams as a result (which I might add, as a Williams supporter, is great!

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Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 07 Nov 2010, 18:16

Massa. The pit stop issue was not his fault, but he couldn't improve much although the SC helped him to be near the other big pile. Qualifying wasn't good either, and this on the track he usually shines.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 07 Nov 2010, 19:10

I almost want to say Hulkenberg for completely screwing the fight between the championship contenders - by the time Webber, Alonso and Hamilton had cleared him, the next car in front had too much of a gap for the race to be good! (Plus he seemed to be losing far too much time defending too much, he would have been much quicker just letting them go!)

I admit it's a trifle unfair due to his superb qualifying though, but I'll say Brazil as a whole (similar to Japan in Japan 2008) - Massa and Barrichello sucked (especially compared to their temmates), Di Grassi was one of only two retirements, and Bruno Senna outqualified but a teammate who's only driven two races this year.......not to forget what happaned to Button!

jackanderton · Post by **jackanderton** » 07 Nov 2010, 19:19

Yes, Hulk hardly helped the opening exchanges, essentially providing a buffer, though that's just analysis of his race in entertainment purposes!

Massa - Yes, bad luck strikes, but how much bad luck can one guy get. To add to it, he looked all over the place on the road at times and once again put himself in the position of relying on rookies not to bump into him. Er...duh? A far cry from his serene semi-tragic victory in 2008.

Petrov... pretty crap performance considering he was duelling with his teammate in the early stages. Seemed determined not to crash, which he just about managed. To be honest, Heidfeld was about as standoffish as you'll get today too.

But my second nomination is Hamilton- For the second race in a row he allows Alonso past by driver error. The L shaped gestures are being raised to the forehead mate.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 07 Nov 2010, 19:32

The Brazilian quartet of drivers.

LionZoo · Post by **LionZoo** » 07 Nov 2010, 19:40

The Brazilian drivers are pretty hard to ignore in this one.

Dan B · Post by **Dan B** » 07 Nov 2010, 19:45

Hulkenberg: Managed to lose lead in 2 seconds and STILL wound up being lapped.
Brazilian Drivers: Massa did nothing, Barrichello's luck was bad as usual, and Senna and Di Grassi were anonymous the whole time (though I can't blame them because their cars are, well, crap).
Liuzzi: I'm guessing Korea never happened, eh? Back to square one.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 07 Nov 2010, 20:07

Brazilian drivers

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 07 Nov 2010, 20:59

James1978 wrote:I almost want to say Hulkenberg for completely screwing the fight between the championship contenders - by the time Webber, Alonso and Hamilton had cleared him, the next car in front had too much of a gap for the race to be good! (Plus he seemed to be losing far too much time defending too much, he would have been much quicker just letting them go!)

I admit it's a trifle unfair due to his superb qualifying though, but I'll say Brazil as a whole (similar to Japan in Japan 2008) - Massa and Barrichello sucked (especially compared to their temmates), Di Grassi was one of only two retirements, and Bruno Senna outqualified but a teammate who's only driven two races this year.......not to forget what happaned to Button!

i agree, hulkenberg for screwing an epic 4 way battle between the championship contenders

Bob · Post by **Bob** » 07 Nov 2010, 21:18

The Toro Rosso drivers

Do blue flags mean nothing to these dingbats?

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 07 Nov 2010, 21:19

I'll go with the Brazilian drivers, as it was a bit shocking to behold. Renault was a bit ugly as well, and Liuzzi did not help his case at all with that shunt.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Nov 2010, 21:20

My nominations:

Brazil: Massa was too busy hitting anything that moved, Barrichello had a puncture, Di Grassi had more problems and Senna was completely outclassed by Klien.
Force India: With a performance like that they deserve to be relegated to 7th in the standings.
The Safety Car Rules: Gave Mercedes a get out of jail free card (Not that I'm complaining all that much about that but it strengthens my somewhat dubious case), ruined any chance of a Webber victory and the resulting traffic nearly put Alonso into a wall.

EDIT:Super Reliability: Somewhat little know fact but this race had the most finishers of any Grand Prix in history... that's not a good thing in my books.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 07 Nov 2010, 21:24

Bob wrote:The Toro Rosso drivers

Do blue flags mean nothing to these dingbats?

They both drove like idiots today, especially when being passed or lapped.

Henrique · Post by **Henrique** » 07 Nov 2010, 21:27

Either Buemi, for all his incidents, or the Brazilian drivers, who were pretty mediocre in their home grand prix.

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 07 Nov 2010, 21:28

The Trophys, even more hideous then the Santander Logos.

The safety car rules. Not allowing lapped cars through creates a confusing scenario, robs the leaders of fighting each other and gave the Mclarens and Mercedes an almost "free" pit stop. It is easy to blame the drivers for blocking but without relevant radio feedback it must be hard to tell who you are racing and who you are not.

I'm not nominating Liuzzi because without his crash this would of been one of the dullest races of the year.

Barbazza · Post by **Barbazza** » 07 Nov 2010, 21:35

Liuzzi - I spend all of the last week bigging him up and he's the only DNF (I think Di Grassi was running at the end even though he wasn't classified wasn't he?) with what I assume was a mistake, as the camera angles weren't great on the replay.

Buemi - Stop driving like a tit!

Post by **mario** » 07 Nov 2010, 21:35

Having watched the repeat of the race, there are some stand out cock ups there:

Rosberg's pit crew - for getting the wrong tyres when he stopped under the safety car, and then proceeding to bicker about it, before sending him out and round again so they could find the right ones. Incidentally, there is a report on Autosport where Schumacher admitts to letting Rosberg past him, because he thought that Rosberg, on fresh tyres, would have a) passed him anyway and b) had a chance of passing Button, or at least keep up with him http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88056

Careless backmarkers - from Bruno Senna being a moving road block, and badly blocking Webber, to Alguersuari trying to squeeze and block Alonso, most of the backmarkers drove very poorly, and sometimes dangerously, during the race (Heidfeld eventually copped a drive through for blocking, although I would have said that, ironically, he was one of the better behaved drivers). I have to agree with the sentiment that the Toro Rosso drivers drove especially badly - there is a difference between feisty driving, and driving like an utter spanner, and they were definitely on the latter side today.

Honourable mention here has to be Liuzzi - that mistake was, frankly, amateurish, and will have undone some of the credit he would have earned at Korea for his heroics there. As such, despite a difficult race for Williams, Hulkenberg scored enough points for 8th to put Williams ahead of Force India by one point. (And he faded quite badly in the end - OK, he was never going to keep the Red Bulls, Alonso or the Mclaren's behind him for long, but I thought that he might have been able to stay ahead of the Mercedes drivers at least).

Benetton · Post by **Benetton** » 07 Nov 2010, 21:45

Felipe Massa - His tangling with midfielders (most his fault) is not Ferrari worthy. Most rejectful of the Brazilian drivers.