2011 Silly Season

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 02 Dec 2010, 22:47

Wizzie wrote:
DonTirri wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:I already mentioned that

Correction, 81. Rosberg is european

And so is Derek Daly

Hell yes he is.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 03 Dec 2010, 00:07

I haven't seen anything reporting Adrian Sutil is going to Virgin. In fact, it sounds like bullshite to me. He's remaining with Force India, I'm sure.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 03 Dec 2010, 03:06

I see... Liuzzi leave FI and joining Virgin to group up with Timo Glock... to produce THE WORST F1 TEAM EVAR!!!

Lesson learned... use a windtunnel..

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 03 Dec 2010, 05:04

The windtunnel wasn't Virgin's problem this year.

Oh boy... I want Liuzz to stay, but it's looking grim

. I'm sure that if he stays for 2011, he'll do much better. 2010 was his first full season since 2007. Come on Vijay, give him another chance.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 03 Dec 2010, 05:35

Peter wrote:The windtunnel wasn't Virgin's problem this year.

Oh boy... I want Liuzz to stay, but it's looking grim . I'm sure that if he stays for 2011, he'll do much better. 2010 was his first full season since 2007. Come on Vijay, give him another chance.

The problem is, he was F3000 champion, and people expect a lot from GP2/F3000/F2 champions. He didn't do amazingly in 2007, but he did show promise when he replaced Fisi, which meant the expectations were much higher. He didn't do too badly early on, but then he just fell back to Earth. I'm afraid he'll have to go.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 03 Dec 2010, 07:07

I've heard Force India is considering Hulkenberg-di Resta. Apparently the team will buy Liuzzi out of his contract and replace him with di Resta, whilst it seems Mallya isn't thrilled with Sutil's constant talk of moving up to bigger and better teams.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 03 Dec 2010, 11:51

Sutil to Virgin? Interesting.
Also, Hamilton apparently gets 3 and Button gets 4, they will get the proper numbers.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 03 Dec 2010, 13:59

Captain Hammer wrote:I've heard Force India is considering Hulkenberg-di Resta. Apparently the team will buy Liuzzi out of his contract and replace him with di Resta, whilst it seems Mallya isn't thrilled with Sutil's constant talk of moving up to bigger and better teams.

Sounds like sense to me. My money's on this line-up, with Sutil going to Mercedes for the reserve driver role, which I've believed for months now anyway. He certainly won't go to Virgin as Glock is all but confirmed, saying that his drive with Virgin next year is 100% certain. That leaves the second seat at Virgin for whom I'm pretty sure will be Aleshin after the recent tie-ups with Marussia. Of course Petrov will remain at Renualt, STR will have Buemi and Algersaurus with Ricciardo doing Friday practices, leaving just HRT who we don't even know if they'll be on the grid next year.

Sorted!

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 03 Dec 2010, 16:02

I would like to see a Hulkenberg and Di Resta line-up, with Chandhok as 3rd driver possibly. I would be very surprised if he doesn't drive the Indian GP for someone, even if he isn't driving full time.

JeremyMcClean wrote:I see... Liuzzi leave FI and joining Virgin to group up with Timo Glock... to produce THE WORST F1 TEAM EVAR!!!

Glock's not that bad!

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 03 Dec 2010, 16:06

Ed24 wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:I see... Liuzzi leave FI and joining Virgin to group up with Timo Glock... to produce THE WORST F1 TEAM EVAR!!!

Glock's not that bad!

Hey! Nor are Virgin!

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 03 Dec 2010, 21:56

Valsecchi in talks with Colin Kolles' Merry Men.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 03 Dec 2010, 22:30

AndreaModa wrote:
Ed24 wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:I see... Liuzzi leave FI and joining Virgin to group up with Timo Glock... to produce THE WORST F1 TEAM EVAR!!!

Glock's not that bad!

Hey! Nor are Virgin!

Nor is Liuzzi.

Everyone's crashed before. Liuzzi does it a couple times and he's reject of the year. Petrov does, and no one cares. Liuzzi outperformed by his teammate, RoTY, Petrov outperformed, no one cares, he did a good job. Liuzzi out-qualifies Sutil, no one cares, Petrov does, good job Vitaly. I know what you're all gonna say, Petrov is a rookie. This is Liuzzi's first full season in F1 since 2007, after missing out all of 2008 and most of 2009. Give him another chance, i'm sure next year, he'll straighten up.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 03 Dec 2010, 23:12

What was Liuzzi doing when he wasn't crashing? Being slow most of the time. One or two good showings but nothing great.
Was Liuzzi's teammate impressive? Not particularly.
What was Petrov doing when he wasn't crashing? Showing improvements in his pace.
Was Petrov's teammate impressive? Petrov's teammate was probably the most impressive driver in F1 this year in a team with a long history of using #1 and #2 drivers.

However, I think Liuzzi is a more interesting backmarker than, say, Glock, Trulli, or Kovalainen if only because he has the nickname 'The King of Bling'.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 03 Dec 2010, 23:27

Cynon wrote:What was Liuzzi doing when he wasn't crashing? Being slow most of the time. One or two good showings but nothing great.
Was Liuzzi's teammate impressive? Not particularly.
What was Petrov doing when he wasn't crashing? Showing improvements in his pace.
Was Petrov's teammate impressive? Petrov's teammate was probably the most impressive driver in F1 this year in a team with a long history of using #1 and #2 drivers.

However, I think Liuzzi is a more interesting backmarker than, say, Glock, Trulli, or Kovalainen if only because he has the nickname 'The King of Bling'.

What do you call slow? I don't think he's ever dropped below a second of Sutil in qualifying before. Sutil is a great driver. One of the most under-rated drivers on the grid. He's probably as good as Hamilton. Not much improvements Liuzzi could do, and his teammate is a very good driver, whose been with the team since Spyker days. That Liuzzi can ever beat Sutil in qualifying or race is impressive. Liuzzi is so overly-under-rated.

You could say Liuzzi to me is like Petrov to Hammer.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 03 Dec 2010, 23:44

Peter wrote:
Cynon wrote:What was Liuzzi doing when he wasn't crashing? Being slow most of the time. One or two good showings but nothing great.
Was Liuzzi's teammate impressive? Not particularly.
What was Petrov doing when he wasn't crashing? Showing improvements in his pace.
Was Petrov's teammate impressive? Petrov's teammate was probably the most impressive driver in F1 this year in a team with a long history of using #1 and #2 drivers.

However, I think Liuzzi is a more interesting backmarker than, say, Glock, Trulli, or Kovalainen if only because he has the nickname 'The King of Bling'.

What do you call slow? I don't think he's ever dropped below a second of Sutil in qualifying before. Sutil is a great driver. One of the most under-rated drivers on the grid. He's probably as good as Hamilton. Not much improvements Liuzzi could do, and his teammate is a very good driver, whose been with the team since Spyker days. That Liuzzi can ever beat Sutil in qualifying or race is impressive. Liuzzi is so overly-under-rated.

You could say Liuzzi to me is like Petrov to Hammer.

What matters here is that Vitantonio Liuzzi was 90% of the time behind Adrian Sutil, which he isn't that great a driver, and definately not overrated. He's not as good as Lewis Hamilton by miles and miles and miles...in fact, Hamilton crushed Sutil in F3 Euroseries when they were in the same team.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 03 Dec 2010, 23:53

I don't like how everyone sees Hamilton as the F1 god or something and is the best evarr. Of course he is a great driver, but it seems like saying that anyone is as good as him is a sin. If Sutil was at McLaren, he probably wouldn't equal Hamilton, but I think he'd do as good as Button has, or better perhaps.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 04 Dec 2010, 00:25

Peter wrote:I don't like how everyone sees Hamilton as the F1 god or something and is the best evarr. Of course he is a great driver, but it seems like saying that anyone is as good as him is a sin. If Sutil was at McLaren, he probably wouldn't equal Hamilton, but I think he'd do as good as Button has, or better perhaps.

I'm not saying Hamilton is a god at all, but I think it's abundantly clear he's better than Sutil...

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 04 Dec 2010, 00:34

Phoenix wrote:
Peter wrote:I don't like how everyone sees Hamilton as the F1 god or something and is the best evarr. Of course he is a great driver, but it seems like saying that anyone is as good as him is a sin. If Sutil was at McLaren, he probably wouldn't equal Hamilton, but I think he'd do as good as Button has, or better perhaps.

I'm not saying Hamilton is a god at all, but I think it's abundantly clear he's better than Sutil...

That may be so, but Sutil is no slouch.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 04 Dec 2010, 01:20

This is ending up like a very dull silly season!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 04 Dec 2010, 11:10

Peter wrote:I don't like how everyone sees Hamilton as the F1 god or something and is the best evarr. Of course he is a great driver, but it seems like saying that anyone is as good as him is a sin. If Sutil was at McLaren, he probably wouldn't equal Hamilton, but I think he'd do as good as Button has, or better perhaps.

I like Sutil as well, but I wouldn't say he was as good as Button - I couldn't see Sutil pulling out an opening to a season like Jenson did in 2009 in any car. I would say he'd probably be about halfway between Kovalainen and Button, performance-wise

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 04 Dec 2010, 18:22

Peter wrote:I don't like how everyone sees Hamilton as the F1 god or something and is the best evarr. Of course he is a great driver, but it seems like saying that anyone is as good as him is a sin. If Sutil was at McLaren, he probably wouldn't equal Hamilton, but I think he'd do as good as Button has, or better perhaps.

I hate Lewis Hamilton religiously and I somewhat like Sutil but on a level playing field Waaahmilton would beat Sutil unless he wrecks trying to be awesome on the first lap.

You know what this Silly Season needs to spice it up? More Stefanovich.

Post by **tommykl** » 04 Dec 2010, 19:31

Cynon wrote:More Stefanovich.

That's what I'm talking about!

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 04 Dec 2010, 23:34

Peter wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
Peter wrote:I don't like how everyone sees Hamilton as the F1 god or something and is the best evarr. Of course he is a great driver, but it seems like saying that anyone is as good as him is a sin. If Sutil was at McLaren, he probably wouldn't equal Hamilton, but I think he'd do as good as Button has, or better perhaps.

I'm not saying Hamilton is a god at all, but I think it's abundantly clear he's better than Sutil...

That may be so, but Sutil is no slouch.

I never said he was slouch.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 05 Dec 2010, 00:03

Silly season predictions?

Pedro de la Rosa to Campos. He was negotiating with them last November but backed out. Maybe now no-one else wants him, he will stoop that low.

Antonio Felix da Costa as the new Force India test driver.

Peace out.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 05 Dec 2010, 01:50

Dario Franchitti says that Paul di Resta is better than Sebastian Vettel.

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=396017&FS=F1

I think this is just a cousin helping out a cousin in getting a seat next year. But he may be right. I'd be happy if Di Resta gets the seat he deserves, as long as he doesn't replace Liuzzi.

JohnMLTX · Post by **JohnMLTX** » 05 Dec 2010, 04:02

Cynon wrote:I hate Lewis Hamilton religiously...

Cynon wrote: More Stefanovich.

I agree with the above statements. You know what else, lets put old Ken Anderson and Peter Windsor somewhere. That'll make things fun.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 05 Dec 2010, 04:13

Cynon wrote:I hate Lewis Hamilton religiously...

I hate Alonso religiously...

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 05 Dec 2010, 04:16

JeremyMcClean wrote:
Cynon wrote:I hate Lewis Hamilton religiously...

I hate Alonso religiously...

I hate Webber and Button religiously.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 05 Dec 2010, 04:30

Peter wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:
Cynon wrote:I hate Lewis Hamilton religiously...

I hate Alonso religiously...

I hate Webber and Button religiously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H1r1BMmGbc&feature=related

:cry:

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 05 Dec 2010, 05:59

Sorry, my love is devoted to interesting drivers and teams. More Stefanovich and more USF1 please!! I can't get enough of either! Pay driver shenanigans are also fun too! More of those!

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 05 Dec 2010, 07:27

Peter wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:
Cynon wrote:I hate Lewis Hamilton religiously...

I hate Alonso religiously...

I hate Webber and Button religiously.

You're not going to make many friends in these parts hating those two guys.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 05 Dec 2010, 08:37

Peter wrote:I hate Webber and Button religiously.

Why? They're the two nicest guys in F1! I thought it was impossible to hate them.

jpm · Post by **jpm** » 05 Dec 2010, 09:37

Martini and Tiago Montiero with Cristijan Albers at HRT?
Deletraz could still be in with a remote shot at the 2nd Renault seat?

and Goivanni Lavaggi is still without a drive...

Seroiusly what is wrong with F1 these days? :lol:

Post by **mario** » 05 Dec 2010, 09:40

Peter wrote:Dario Franchitti says that Paul di Resta is better than Sebastian Vettel.

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=396017&FS=F1

I think this is just a cousin helping out a cousin in getting a seat next year. But he may be right. I'd be happy if Di Resta gets the seat he deserves, as long as he doesn't replace Liuzzi.

Well, di Resta did happen to beat Vettel in 2006 to the title when they were in the same team, with the same amount of experience, in the F3 Euroseries, so I can kind of see what Franchitti is getting at. Besides, di Resta has also looked pretty good in testing/free practise sessions at Force India, and completely outshone Liuzzi in the post season Pirelli test sessions, so Force India might well believe that he is worth giving a go.
As to whether he should or should not replace Liuzzi, personally I think that that Liuzzi should be replaced - he was quite error prone at the beginning of the season, and lacked consistency in terms of outright pace - although I suspect that you will disagree with that assessment.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 05 Dec 2010, 19:06

And by the logic of many here in the Hamilton vs Sutil, there should be a broad support for this theory.

watka · Post by **watka** » 05 Dec 2010, 21:22

jpm wrote:Martini and Tiago Montiero with Cristijan Albers at HRT?
Deletraz could still be in with a remote shot at the 2nd Renault seat?

and Goivanni Lavaggi is still without a drive...

Seroiusly what is wrong with F1 these days?

I like this guy's thinking.

Dan B · Post by **Dan B** » 06 Dec 2010, 18:07

Deletraz along with Yamamoto would probably be the best pairing in the world.

watka · Post by **watka** » 06 Dec 2010, 22:00

Dan B wrote:Deletraz along with Ide would probably be the best pairing in the world.

Fixed.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 07 Dec 2010, 04:12

Maybe hate was too much of a strong word. I don't like Webber or Button.

Post by **tommykl** » 07 Dec 2010, 16:30

watka wrote:
Dan B wrote:Deletraz along with HWNSNBM would probably be the best pairing in the world.

Fixed.

Fixed again.