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Peter · Post by **Peter** » 26 Dec 2010, 18:51

Vitaly Petrov has, on average been the most grid places behind his teammate all year, even worse than Liuzzi. Why the HELL does he have a seat for 2011, and Liuzzi isn't confirmed yet? Liuzzi could wipe the FLOOR with Vitaly.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 26 Dec 2010, 19:03

Peter wrote:Vitaly Petrov has, on average been the most grid places behind his teammate all year, even worse than Liuzzi. Why the HELL does he have a seat for 2011, and Liuzzi isn't confirmed yet? Liuzzi could wipe the FLOOR with Vitaly.

OK.

Russia>Italy

26 years of age>29 years of age

Money>Not as much money

Some speed>A little bit more speed

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 26 Dec 2010, 20:44

shinji wrote: Russia>Italy
Some speed>A little bit more speed

I think these two points are debatable. Liuzzi still doesn't deserve his seat though.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 27 Dec 2010, 01:12

Also bear in ind how well our driver of the year Kubica has gone this season, he's had some cracking races, putting that Renault in places it really shouldn't be. I'm gonna sound like the Captain here but you can't expect Petrov to match someone who is argued by many people to be a potential world champion in his rookie year can you?

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 27 Dec 2010, 03:29

The difference between Petrov being destroyed by his teammate and Liuzzi being destroyed by his teammate is that Petrov's teammate is probably the best driver on the grid as much as I hate to admit it, and Liuzzi's teammate should be out of F1 now. So if Sutil beat Liuzzi, and Sutil didn't do well enough to deserve another go at F1...

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 27 Dec 2010, 06:17

I reckon Sutil could give Kubica a challenge if they were in equal machinery. Not a serious threat, but not far behind. And about Kubica putting the Renault where it really shouldn't be, no one has ever thought that Petrov is just slower than Kubica by a country mile and it makes Robert look fantastic?

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 27 Dec 2010, 10:27

Peter wrote:I reckon Sutil could give Kubica a challenge if they were in equal machinery. Not a serious threat, but not far behind. And about Kubica putting the Renault where it really shouldn't be, no one has ever thought that Petrov is just slower than Kubica by a country mile and it makes Robert look fantastic?

Are you serious? What are you smoking and can I have some of it too? Sutil at the moment is THE most overrated driver on the field. I mean, all he has to his name is the fourth place in Spa, outside of that he has nothing worthwhile to his name and you are comparing him to Kubica? Get a grip man, get a grip.

Glennerz · Post by **Glennerz** » 27 Dec 2010, 13:27

DonTirri wrote:Sutil at the moment is THE most overrated driver on the field. I mean, all he has to his name is the fourth place in Spa, outside of that he has nothing worthwhile to his name and you are comparing him to Kubica? Get a grip man, get a grip.

There was 4th at Monza last year, but that was because of the car. There, I said it. But if next year's Renault is a front-runner, Kubica will win the title.
I agree that Sutil is largely overrated. But the point is, he said he doesn't particularly want to go to Renault.

Peter wrote:Liuzzi could wipe the FLOOR with Vitaly.

I disagree. I'm not saying that Petrov's performance in Abu Dhabi was without the straight-line speed advantage, but I just couldn't imagine Liuzzi holding off Alonso for 50-odd laps in a Renault.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 27 Dec 2010, 13:40

So far, I think the best drivers out there are either Fernando Alonso or Lewis Hamilton. Robert Kubica is a very skilled guy, but he lacks time in a sharp end team to prove he really is up to that level. Remember how good Giancarlo Fisichella was with Benetton and Jordan only to mess it up when he had a Renault that was World Champion in 2005 and 2006?
And Vitantonio Liuzzi doesn't really deserve a place in F1 on merit anymore. Vitaly Petrov is young and has a lot of potential. Liuzzi is just mediocre.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 27 Dec 2010, 22:28

Phoenix wrote:Remember how good Giancarlo Fisichella was with Benetton and Jordan only to mess it up when he had a Renault that was World Champion in 2005 and 2006?

It was a combination of Fisichellaitis and spending far too long in midfield teams. It would have been interesting if he was given something like the 2nd Williams seat back in 2001...

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 27 Dec 2010, 23:56

No no, if Panis had taken a seat at Williams, THAT would've been interesting!

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 28 Dec 2010, 00:00

Myrvold wrote:No no, if Panis had taken a seat at Williams, THAT would've been interesting!

Panis was never he former self after that accident in Canada. However from memory he would have been in contention for the McLaren seat alongside Coulthard in 2002 had he not been driving for BAR at the time.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 28 Dec 2010, 00:32

Yeah, but still, he could've made a few wins, just like DC. I don't think Panis was any slower than DC after his crash.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 28 Dec 2010, 02:37

I think after the crash, Panis became something like a one-lap wonder. If you look at his 1999 qualifying results, he put that Prost in places it probably shouldn't have been, but in the race trim, Trulli outdid him. Perhaps his energy was gone?

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 28 Dec 2010, 03:21

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:I think after the crash, Panis became something like a one-lap wonder. If you look at his 1999 qualifying results, he put that Prost in places it probably shouldn't have been, but in the race trim, Trulli outdid him. Perhaps his energy was gone?

If you're beaten by Trulli in race trim something must have gone horribly wrong.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 28 Dec 2010, 13:46

Wizzie wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:I think after the crash, Panis became something like a one-lap wonder. If you look at his 1999 qualifying results, he put that Prost in places it probably shouldn't have been, but in the race trim, Trulli outdid him. Perhaps his energy was gone?

If you're beaten by Trulli in race trim something must have gone horribly wrong.

Alonso first half of 2004

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 28 Dec 2010, 17:19

Wizzie wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Remember how good Giancarlo Fisichella was with Benetton and Jordan only to mess it up when he had a Renault that was World Champion in 2005 and 2006?

It was a combination of Fisichellaitis and spending far too long in midfield teams.

It's pretty much the same. You contract the illness spending far too long in midfield teams.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 29 Dec 2010, 08:57

Phoenix wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Remember how good Giancarlo Fisichella was with Benetton and Jordan only to mess it up when he had a Renault that was World Champion in 2005 and 2006?

It was a combination of Fisichellaitis and spending far too long in midfield teams.

It's pretty much the same. You contract the illness spending far too long in midfield teams.

Explain how Kovy got the illness then.

MinardiFan95 · Post by **MinardiFan95** » 29 Dec 2010, 10:50

I can't listen to "Piano Man" anymore without thinking of shinji's signature.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 29 Dec 2010, 12:35

Wizzie wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
Wizzie wrote:It was a combination of Fisichellaitis and spending far too long in midfield teams.

It's pretty much the same. You contract the illness spending far too long in midfield teams.

Explain how Kovy got the illness then.

Prolonged contact to infected drivers increases your chance of contracting Fisichellaitis yourself.

watka · Post by **watka** » 29 Dec 2010, 22:26

I predict that the preparation for the Indian GP will be worse than the Korean GP this year.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Dec 2010, 00:24

watka wrote:I predict that the preparation for the Indian GP will be worse than the Korean GP this year.

i will be dissapointed if the press conference in the indian race does not end with 'thank you, come again'

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 30 Dec 2010, 00:38

This wrote:
watka wrote:I predict that the preparation for the Indian GP will be worse than the Korean GP this year.

i will be dissapointed if the press conference in the indian race does not end with 'thank you, come again'

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 30 Dec 2010, 04:30

This wrote:i will be dissapointed if the press conference in the indian race does not end with 'thank you, come again'

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 30 Dec 2010, 05:16

This wrote:
watka wrote:I predict that the preparation for the Indian GP will be worse than the Korean GP this year.

i will be dissapointed if the press conference in the indian race does not end with 'thank you, come again'

Why is Valencia still on the calendar? It makes Bahrain look exciting.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 30 Dec 2010, 05:19

Peter wrote:Why is Valencia still on the calendar? It makes Bahrain look exciting.

Bernie + Money tends to do that.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 30 Dec 2010, 06:58

Wizzie wrote:
Peter wrote:Why is Valencia still on the calendar? It makes Bahrain look exciting.

Bernie + Money tends to do that.

Alonsomania(Bernie + Money)

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 30 Dec 2010, 18:55

Liuzzi is the Wigan Athletic of Formula 1, keeps hanging around until everyone realises he doesn't deserve to be in the top category of it's sport, and still somehow stays there.

Post by **tommykl** » 30 Dec 2010, 18:57

watka wrote:I predict that the preparation for the Indian GP will be worse than the Korean GP this year.

+1

S951 · Post by **S951** » 30 Dec 2010, 19:40

This Lotus naming business is getting tiring and tbh annoying now.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 30 Dec 2010, 21:53

redbulljack14 wrote:Liuzzi is the Wigan Athletic of Formula 1, keeps hanging around until everyone realises he doesn't deserve to be in the top category of it's sport, and still somehow stays there.

hah, first non-F1 comparison I've ever liked!

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 30 Dec 2010, 22:40

Myrvold wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:Liuzzi is the Wigan Athletic of Formula 1, keeps hanging around until everyone realises he doesn't deserve to be in the top category of it's sport, and still somehow stays there.

hah, first non-F1 comparison I've ever liked!

Force India are the Birmingham City of F1 (my team), years of being crap and finally turning good, only to turn crap again

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 30 Dec 2010, 22:45

Force India are more like the Hannover 96 of F1, they are there, dumping along in the midfield, but noone really cares... :lol:

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 30 Dec 2010, 23:46

Klon wrote:Force India are more like the Hannover 96 of F1, they are there, dumping along in the midfield, but noone really cares...

Objection. I care in a very slight way about Hannover 96, because Steve Cherundolo plays there.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 31 Dec 2010, 01:13

MinardiFan95 wrote:I can't listen to "Piano Man" anymore without thinking of shinji's signature.

Good to hear!

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 31 Dec 2010, 03:58

Klon wrote:Force India are more like the Hannover 96 of F1, they are there, dumping along in the midfield, but noone really cares...

Force India are what happens when a midfield team hires pay drivers.

Post by **tommykl** » 31 Dec 2010, 08:07

It's no use for Toro Rosso to wait before announcing their drivers. Everyone knows who's driving...

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 31 Dec 2010, 08:15

tommykl wrote:It's no use for Toro Rosso to wait before announcing their drivers. Everyone knows who's driving...

Jaime Alguersuari and Daniel Riccardo?

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 31 Dec 2010, 12:09

Ferrari are like the WWE. You see them qualifying and racing but you know it is all fake and prearranged...

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 31 Dec 2010, 14:20

thehemogoblin wrote:
Klon wrote:Force India are more like the Hannover 96 of F1, they are there, dumping along in the midfield, but noone really cares...

Objection. I care in a very slight way about Hannover 96, because Steve Cherundolo plays there.

I care because Mikael Forssell plays there