Reject Sponsors

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 19 Jan 2011, 08:33

Watching some 90´s liveries I was thinking about reject sponsors... I mean, brands which once supported an F1 team and then failed commercially. What can you bring??

The first one that comes to head is T-Minus, Arrows A20, ´99

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 19 Jan 2011, 09:22

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns01996.html

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 19 Jan 2011, 09:33

Dodgy Mailk Ado Ibrahim. He never paid, apparently. His name was dirt around Arrows when I was there.

How about Moneytron, Jean-Pierre Van Rossem's company? Dodgy business, although he managed to pay the bills regularly. He claimed that he had modelled the stock market and could predict and anticipate market trends.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 19 Jan 2011, 09:45

Leyton House. Akira Akagi's company went down in the Fuji Bank scandal of 1991. It was related to illegal loans issued by a number of banks using false deposit certificates. Akagi's Leyton House company, along with several others including other banks, was the recipient of hundreds of millions of dollars in a scandal that severely damaged the Japanese economy.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 19 Jan 2011, 10:11

The Hype energy drink sponsoring Arrows in 1995, which didn't actually exist as a product until 2000. Curiously, the company is managed by Bertrand Gachot!

I'll stop posting now.

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 19 Jan 2011, 10:26

Minardi had 'STAYER' on their barge boards in 2003. They had a bounced stamp on it in Japan though.

Also Russian giant GAZPROM didnt pay a cent in 2003, despite having large branding on the car, according to Mr.Stoddart.

midgrid · Post by **midgrid** » 19 Jan 2011, 19:07

Faustus wrote:The Hype energy drink sponsoring Arrows in 1995, which didn't actually exist as a product until 2000. Curiously, the company is managed by Bertrand Gachot!

Hype also sponsored Williams in 1997.

midgrid · Post by **midgrid** » 19 Jan 2011, 19:08

Wilux, who sponsored Minardi in 2004 but pulled out after the cars competed with a sponsorless livery in memory of John Walton at the British Grand Prix.

Post by **tommykl** » 19 Jan 2011, 19:12

The Surtees revolution in the 70's: Durex and Penthouse.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 19 Jan 2011, 19:19

tommykl wrote:The Surtees revolution in the 70's: Durex and Penthouse.

That is a good one! But I have my doubts about them failing commercially. :lol:

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 19 Jan 2011, 21:20

watka · Post by **watka** » 19 Jan 2011, 22:24

European Aviation - Paul Stoddart's company.

Never really took off.

That was poor.

Jack O Melley · Post by **Jack O Melley** » 19 Jan 2011, 22:29

I think Teuco, which sponsored front wing's Andrea Moda in 1992, has gone bankrupt. Not so far from my city there is the head office of the society (an industrial building, nothing special) completely empty, unused, with the only blue neon sign :lol:

JohnMLTX · Post by **JohnMLTX** » 19 Jan 2011, 23:16

watka wrote:European Aviation - Paul Stoddart's company.

Never really took off.

That was poor.

1989 to 2008, and at it's peak had over 24 aircraft in it's fleet?

Seems decently successful to me.

baddriving50 · Post by **baddriving50** » 20 Jan 2011, 00:30

Jack O Melley wrote:I think Teuco, which sponsored front wing's Andrea Moda in 1992, has gone bankrupt.

Nope, still in business.
http://www.teuco.com/

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 20 Jan 2011, 00:31

JohnMLTX wrote:
watka wrote:European Aviation - Paul Stoddart's company.

Never really took off.

That was poor.

1989 to 2008, and at it's peak had over 24 aircraft in it's fleet?

Seems decently successful to me.

OzJet on the other hand...

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 20 Jan 2011, 02:10

Aerond wrote:Watching some 90´s liveries I was thinking about reject sponsors... I mean, brands which once supported an F1 team and then failed commercially. What can you bring??

The first one that comes to head is T-Minus, Arrows A20, ´99

t-minus 55 races and counting

Yannick · Post by **Yannick** » 20 Jan 2011, 22:21

Broker Magazine that was on the Sauber in the early races of 1994 didn't pay and had to be replaced by mid-season. They were lucky to escape the fate that Super Aguri had to face when SS United didn't pay them.

Patrick Friesacher of USGP 2005 fame was sacked because his money from the tourist office of the Tyrolian regional government reportedly never came. He did a good job at the wheel, though. Where is he now?

Monstrobolaxa · Post by **Monstrobolaxa** » 21 Jan 2011, 20:25

Faustus wrote:The Hype energy drink sponsoring Arrows in 1995, which didn't actually exist as a product until 2000. Curiously, the company is managed by Bertrand Gachot!

Not accurate!
Hype was created in 1994 and its advertising plan was essentially F1, they kept on increasing their investment, to try and equal the amount of exposure that Red Bull was having! But the problem was that the sales didn't increase, even though they sponsored Benetton (96,97) and Williams (97)...half way through 1997 Hype closed and declared bankruptcy! This was caused by the excess amounts of money they were spending on marketing, with out it reflecting on sales.

The company was relaunched a few years later, with Bertrand envolved.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 22 Jan 2011, 08:45

Pay By Touch -- sponsored Tristan Gommendy in Champ Car. Says enough really. Nice paintjob though!

Should we mention sponsors that never paid? If that's the case, 360OTC never ponied its cash up to NASCAR team owner Bill Davis in 2007 after Jeremy Mayfield's ... catastrophic campaign!

What about S.S. United, the former SOOPA AGURI sponsor?

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 22 Jan 2011, 09:31

I'd say Mastercard, for forcing Lola to enter a year early and for having part of an influence in one of the most disgusting F1 liveries ever!

Having said that, you can never have enough of it can you? :lol:

Valrys · Post by **Valrys** » 22 Jan 2011, 11:49

AndreaModa wrote:one of the most disgusting F1 liveries ever!

You take that back right now! It's truly a thing of beauty!

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 22 Jan 2011, 12:40

Haha! Maybe if there was no orange on it, it's not helped by the tiny Penzoil logos on those gigantic sidepods.

Still I suppose we only got to see it in one race anyway so it doesn't really matter! :lol:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 22 Jan 2011, 18:09

AndreaModa wrote:Haha! Maybe if there was no orange on it, it's not helped by the tiny Penzoil logos on those gigantic sidepods.

Still I suppose we only got to see it in one race anyway so it doesn't really matter!

You mean one qualifying session? It never was allowed into a race!

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 22 Jan 2011, 20:20

dr-baker wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:Haha! Maybe if there was no orange on it, it's not helped by the tiny Penzoil logos on those gigantic sidepods.

Still I suppose we only got to see it in one race anyway so it doesn't really matter!

You mean one qualifying session? It never was allowed into a race!

Thats what I meant, a race weekend.

Post by **mario** » 22 Jan 2011, 20:44

Faustus wrote:Dodgy Mailk Ado Ibrahim. He never paid, apparently. His name was dirt around Arrows when I was there.

How about Moneytron, Jean-Pierre Van Rossem's company? Dodgy business, although he managed to pay the bills regularly. He claimed that he had modelled the stock market and could predict and anticipate market trends.

I hate to say it, but those who make such bold claims and offer such suspiciously consistent returns often turn out to have some hidden secret. And considering that he later received a five year jail term for fraudulent dealing, I wonder if he was using the same trick as Madoff (i.e. a Ponzi scheme) - at the very least, the language and pattern of dealing bears a number of similarities.

Could be worse though - there is the case of Charles Zwolsman Sr., who has recently passed away in a Dutch jail. His son was briefly Lewis Hamilton's team mate in Formula 3, and Zwolsman Sr. happened to give Frentzen a break in the 1992 Le Mans (which is how Frentzen managed to revive his career and eventually made his way into Formula 1).
Unfortunately, Zwolsman Sr. happened to have a sideline in smuggling drugs - he has been in and out of Dutch jails since 1988 on drugs charges, and at time of death was serving a three year sentence for drug and weapon smuggling offences. http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/01/21/zwol ... ch-prison/

The reason that I'm bringing this up is because, given that Zwolsman Sr. happened to own a business entity (of dubious intentions), did he happen to sponsor any drivers (perhaps Frentzen) or teams at any point?

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 22 Jan 2011, 21:02

mario wrote:
Faustus wrote:Dodgy Mailk Ado Ibrahim. He never paid, apparently. His name was dirt around Arrows when I was there.

How about Moneytron, Jean-Pierre Van Rossem's company? Dodgy business, although he managed to pay the bills regularly. He claimed that he had modelled the stock market and could predict and anticipate market trends.

I hate to say it, but those who make such bold claims and offer such suspiciously consistent returns often turn out to have some hidden secret. And considering that he later received a five year jail term for fraudulent dealing, I wonder if he was using the same trick as Madoff (i.e. a Ponzi scheme) - at the very least, the language and pattern of dealing bears a number of similarities.

Could be worse though - there is the case of Charles Zwolsman Sr., who has recently passed away in a Dutch jail. His son was briefly Lewis Hamilton's team mate in Formula 3, and Zwolsman Sr. happened to give Frentzen a break in the 1992 Le Mans (which is how Frentzen managed to revive his career and eventually made his way into Formula 1).
Unfortunately, Zwolsman Sr. happened to have a sideline in smuggling drugs - he has been in and out of Dutch jails since 1988 on drugs charges, and at time of death was serving a three year sentence for drug and weapon smuggling offences. http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/01/21/zwol ... ch-prison/

The reason that I'm bringing this up is because, given that Zwolsman Sr. happened to own a business entity (of dubious intentions), did he happen to sponsor any drivers (perhaps Frentzen) or teams at any point?

I worked for another extremely dodgy motorsport character, probably one of the dodgiest, Vic Lee. I was with Vic Lee Racing in the BTCC in 2001, when we were running 3 Peugeot 406 Coupes.
Vic received a 12 year sentence for smuggling drugs into the UK from Holland in the race transporters in 1993 (and apparently from the Macau Guia race). He was released in late 1999 for good behaviour and got back into racing. In 2000 he got back into the BTCC, running Peugeots. In 2005 Vic was convicted again of drug smuggling and got another 12 years. He's still in prison and is likely to do his full sentence.
He was an interesting character. Very knowledgeable about all aspects of motorsport and he race-engineered Dan Eaves' car (albeit with adult supervision from the technical director Geoff Kingston). He was unusual in that he regularly paid all of team's bills on time (probably because he was getting money from the drug smuggling). He built a really nice factory during 2001 near Coventry, purpose-built for racing. No idea what happened to that, as I haven't been back there since. We ran the cars out of a decrepit Peugeot subsidiary factory in Humber Road, close to the city centre.
I was doing my Masters at the time and I worked for Vic part-time as a design engineer and occasional race engineer of the 3rd car, for Aaron Slight. I also worked on the redesign of the Lexus IS200 that we were going to run in 2002, but I left at the end of the season and they ended up running the 406 again.

Alianora La Canta · Post by **Alianora La Canta** » 23 Jan 2011, 16:11

Tiger Telematrics sponsored Jordan (via the Gametrac brand) in 2003. Well, I say sponsored... ...apparently they forgot to pay up. The reason became apparent when the company went under two years later (Jordan, fortunately, had secured a settlement for the unpaid monies before that point).

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 23 Jan 2011, 16:14

Winfield smokes? That was a horrible sponsor.

And Lucky Strike. Or unlucky strike. Or whatever.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 24 Jan 2011, 08:36

Monstrobolaxa wrote:
Faustus wrote:The Hype energy drink sponsoring Arrows in 1995, which didn't actually exist as a product until 2000. Curiously, the company is managed by Bertrand Gachot!

Not accurate!
Hype was created in 1994 and its advertising plan was essentially F1, they kept on increasing their investment, to try and equal the amount of exposure that Red Bull was having! But the problem was that the sales didn't increase, even though they sponsored Benetton (96,97) and Williams (97)...half way through 1997 Hype closed and declared bankruptcy! This was caused by the excess amounts of money they were spending on marketing, with out it reflecting on sales.

The company was relaunched a few years later, with Bertrand envolved.

I had completely forgotten that they sponsored Benetton and Williams as well. I remember reading in 1995 that the product didn't exist yet and the company was building up the name by gaining exposure through sports sponsorship.

Verde · Post by **Verde** » 25 Jan 2011, 17:46

Hi, everybody.

Well, in the last, uhm, seven years I made some lists of sponsors by gathering every sponsor that appeared at least once in a series. I built a list for each championship: Formula One, Formula 3000, GP2, Indy and IRL. These lists are incompete as there are a huge number of unknown sponsors that I couldn't either identify or ever know it appeared in fact. Besides, many sponsors from older times are missing. But the lists are here. And there are a lot of reject and unknown brands and partnerships, like Coca-Cola sponsoring Tyrrell only for 1981 Brazilian Grand Prix.

http://www.2shared.com/file/XxsMJsOO/sponsors.html

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 26 Jan 2011, 06:41

If thats the case, its a marketing genius!

HYPE, Im pretty sure was on the FootworkArrows in 1995 or early 1996.

I may be mixed up with another drink Power Horse, around the same time though.

mediocre · Post by **mediocre** » 26 Jan 2011, 16:27

Is there any way you could upload it again in a different file format like zip or rar or the txt separately because I can't open/use .zipx files.

Verde · Post by **Verde** » 26 Jan 2011, 17:18

In zip file.

http://www.2shared.com/file/cmwtPIdQ/sponsors.html

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 29 Jan 2011, 12:06

Power Horse was another energy drink company that sponsored Arrows and also had difficulties selling drinks... Who remembers EJ-10, the energy drink made by Eddie Jordan?

One of my favourite sponsors was Roces who sponsored the airboxes of Forti and Minardi, even though I only found out recently that they were a inline skate maker...

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 29 Jan 2011, 12:50

JeremyMcClean wrote:Winfield smokes? That was a horrible sponsor.

And 555.

Fixed that for you.

SuperAguri wrote:Power Horse was another energy drink company that sponsored Arrows and also had difficulties selling drinks... Who remembers EJ-10, the energy drink made by Eddie Jordan?

One of my favourite sponsors was Roces who sponsored the airboxes of Forti and Minardi, even though I only found out recently that they were a inline skate maker...

Eddie Jordan's PR stunt?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 29 Jan 2011, 21:47

FMecha wrote:

Eddie Jordan's PR stunt?

If A10 World Series goes under, might EJ buy the assets and rename it EJ10 WS?

mediocre · Post by **mediocre** » 30 Jan 2011, 14:43

Verde wrote:In zip file.

http://www.2shared.com/file/cmwtPIdQ/sponsors.html

Thank you very much

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 31 Jan 2011, 10:06

Fondmetal sponsoring Minardi in 2004-05? I missed that...

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 31 Jan 2011, 10:08

Fondmetal backed Bruni when he was in F1. I cant remember it on the 2005 car though, maybe a small logo or so. But defo in 2004.