Fishmouth or lowered nosecones?

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 24 Aug 2009, 22:16

I was thinking recently about the aesthetics of thesedays modern nosecones. I think this was the year when I definetly ran out of sympathy for the high fishmouth nosecone design (I mean, just look at Renault and BMW, just look at them!). Apart from the aerodynamic advantages, I would like to see the cars running with low nosecones again, something like in the late 80's. Really, when someone thinks of an quintessential F1 car, I think that this is the thing that really comes to mind

. State your opinion please.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 24 Aug 2009, 22:25

Best front wing ever - '95 Minardi. Not sure what type it would be though.

Go Luca!

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 24 Aug 2009, 23:20

Hehe, now that's a big fishmouth:). Here are some pics to be compared:

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 24 Aug 2009, 23:45

Lowered nosecones all the way. That FW-14 you posted up there is one of the most beautiful cars ever, in my opinion. I t epitomised F1: sleek, avant-garde, fabulous - even managed to make Mansell a WDC...

jackanderton · Post by **jackanderton** » 25 Aug 2009, 09:44

I agree with Carlos about that car. A work of art.

They've had their day though. Red Bull seem to have played with the noses more than most, changing from normal, to bendy, to a ridged bridge, to the duck-bill to the duck-bill with bridge.

That Williams 2003(?) tapered-style nose is the most unusual I can remember in recent memory, and that didn't last the season, did it?

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 25 Aug 2009, 09:52

Does any front wing look like that?

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 25 Aug 2009, 10:16

shinji wrote:Does any front wing look like that?

Hmm, let's see...

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 25 Aug 2009, 11:37

shinji wrote:

Does any front wing look like that?

I believe he meant "sharknose":

About Red Bull messing around with the nosecones: Adrian Newey was the father of that beautiful FW-14 as well...

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 25 Aug 2009, 13:42

CarlosFerreira wrote:About Red Bull messing around with the nosecones: Adrian Newey was the father of that beautiful FW-14 as well...

Newey also invented the raised nosecones btw

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 25 Aug 2009, 13:51

DonTirri wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:About Red Bull messing around with the nosecones: Adrian Newey was the father of that beautiful FW-14 as well...

Newey also invented the raised nosecones btw

Didn't Harvey Posthlewaithe (think that's how it's spelt) with the 1990 Tyrrell? Or was the 'anhedral' whatever the funk that means.

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 25 Aug 2009, 14:19

nope, it was Newey.
I give to you, Newey-designed March 881:

Postlewaithe did invent the "anthedral" or whatever the "frontwing attached to the nose via Struts" type of wings

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 25 Aug 2009, 14:23

DonTirri wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:About Red Bull messing around with the nosecones: Adrian Newey was the father of that beautiful FW-14 as well...

Newey also invented the raised nosecones btw

Really? I was really young when I started seeing F1 (around 9 or 10, in 1991), so I can't remember it well. I have seen the anhedral-wing Tyrrel in pictures, but the first that caught my eye was the 1991 Benetton:

I remember seeing that and trying to explain my father, who could care less about motorsport, that it looked like a shark! He actually sat with me to see the next race.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 25 Aug 2009, 19:19

Now thats a sharknose......

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 25 Aug 2009, 19:31

Looks more like a Walrus to me lol.

RejectSteve · Post by **RejectSteve** » 25 Aug 2009, 19:48

It depends on the design. The current Renault and BMWs are just dreadful but not all raised noses were bad. The Forti FG03 was a fantastic design which sadly was underfunded and didn't have a chance. Not all lowered noses are fine either. The Williams FW14 was a masterpiece, but remember the tea-tray on the Pacific PR02? What on earth were they thinking?

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 25 Aug 2009, 20:57

Yeah, I definetly agree that there are beauties and beasts in both categories :mrgreen:

. BTW, here's another comparisment:

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 25 Aug 2009, 21:22

lostpin wrote:

Best car of them all :mrgreen:

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 25 Aug 2009, 21:41

WeirdKerr wrote:

Now thats a sharknose......

That's not a shark nose. That's a pig snot.

Travis Daye · Post by **Travis Daye** » 25 Aug 2009, 22:46

What about raised front wings? :mrgreen:

Jordan · Post by **Jordan** » 25 Aug 2009, 22:56

I think he missed the point of the helmet

CarlosFerreira wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:

Now thats a sharknose......

That's not a shark nose. That's a pig snot.

FW08 · Post by **FW08** » 26 Aug 2009, 07:22

To me, the car that first comes to mind, whenever somebody says 'raised nosecone' is the 1992 Benetton.

I really do not have a preference on the type of the nosecone, I just wish that the car designs would be more individual.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 26 Aug 2009, 07:52

Jordan wrote:I think he missed the point of the helmet

Oh, he know the top of the roll bar is worth more than his head.

LionZoo · Post by **LionZoo** » 26 Aug 2009, 17:41

I liked it when we had a mixture of noses at all different heights.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 26 Aug 2009, 18:41

best nose in F1 ever.......

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 26 Aug 2009, 20:40

WeirdKerr wrote:best nose in F1 ever.......

Yeap, it always makes a sharp right turn when you're not looking..

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 26 Aug 2009, 22:01

WeirdKerr wrote:best nose in F1 ever.......

There may be alternatives.

lostpin · Post by **lostpin** » 26 Aug 2009, 23:39

CarlosFerreira wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:best nose in F1 ever.......

There may be alternatives.

That dodo nose cone might have worked for the past season, but it's a reject for this one. :mrgreen:

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 27 Aug 2009, 08:43

lostpin wrote:That dodo nose cone might have worked for the past season, but it's a reject for this one.

Actually reminds me of this year's McLaren drooping nosecone.

TeamTipper · Post by **TeamTipper** » 27 Aug 2009, 08:56

It depends on the type of car. EG Red Bull nosecone is very long but the rear wing isnt that wide. The brawn has a small nosecone but a widest rear wing the regs can.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 27 Aug 2009, 18:56

lostpin wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:best nose in F1 ever.......

There may be alternatives.

That dodo nose cone might have worked for the past season, but it's a reject for this one.

Finally something I came up with has stuck!! :lol:

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