Grand Prix Rejects

tommykl wrote:From what I've gathered, the last time Fangio and Nuvolari raced together was in heat 1 of the 1949 GP de Marseille. It's got to be one of the contestants.

Philippe Etancelin
Eugene Martin
Raymond Sommer
Roberto Vallone
Eugene Chaboud
Piero Carini
Rene Bonnet
Degioanni
Tintore
Robert Manzon

Am I right so far?

I think my question was wrongly written. What I was really looking for was, in fact, your answer. Which I forgot to mention. You get 100 Internets.

Nothing Google, Nuvolari's official website and Silhouet.com can't fix!

Not a trivia question but a question anyways; what is the significance of the GPDA (Grand Prix Drivers Association)?

JeremyMcClean wrote:Not a trivia question but a question anyways; what is the significance of the GPDA (Grand Prix Drivers Association)?

I know this! It kind of follows this guidelines:

- Complaining;
- Complaining about new gadgets;
- Complaining about general stuff;
- Participating in FIA safety related events;
- Promoting road safety;
- Complaining somewhat;
- Establishing a verbal racing code between member drivers;
- Complaining about non complaining duties that they may have;
- It is the official organization F1 drivers use to voice concerns (and complains) to FIA;
- Being ignored by FIA.

Someone! Mario! Anyone! PLEASE TELL ME MORE!!!??

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Someone! Mario! Anyone! PLEASE TELL ME MORE!!!??

That would be Stefan Bellof and Ayrton Senna along with Martin Brundle (not pictured) testing a McLaren. It was near the end of 83 in Silverstone. Senna went faster than Watson out of the box and it seems Bellof broke the gearbox before Brundle could've tried the car. Senna did a 1.13,9 using a more powerful version of the DFV than Bellof and Brundle versions (this was their first test while Senna had already tested for Williams). Bellof did a 1.14.6 and Brundle a 1.14.7.

SACRILEGE! I DEMAND WE GO BACK IN TIME AND GIVE BELLOF AN EQUAL CAR!

Yes, I am, err, a 'little' crazy

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Someone! Mario! Anyone! PLEASE TELL ME MORE!!!??

That is Ayrton Senna at the F1 test the McLaren team held on 28th October 1983 at Silverstone, just two days after the end of the British F3 championship as a part of the prize, thanks to Marlboro. That year, both Martin Brundle and Stefan Bellof were invited as well. I couldn´t find the time sheets, but Herbie Blash of Brabham was spying and timed Senna, who managed a 1.13.9. Ayrton said this about the test:

"The Mclaren is easy to drive, the steering is smoother than my F3 Ralt. I´m sure that, given more laps, I´d have been able to get into 1,12´s, even though it was a bit uncomfortable, with my right leg not completely straight, which made it difficult to fully control the throtle. As I´m familiar to the track, it wasn´t hard to reach 1,13s"

Ron Dennis said;

"They all were mature and obviously they scored good times. They would have all qualified for the Grand Prix, which is impressive. Senna da Silva´s time was specially good given the weather conditions, but of course he had the advantage of having driven a Formula One car before"

Addon: I DEMAND WE GO BACK IN TIME AND GIVE BELLOF A PRIOR TEST WITH WILLIAMS!

The thing I remember that really strikes me about that was I remember a programme which was on BBC around New Years Day 1995 (or a day or two after) to talk about the Life of Senna, and Martin Brundle talked about that McLaren test and it felt really sad when he said he was the only one of the three from the test who remained.......

I like Bellof's helmet.

People forget behind Senna's 2nd place at Monaco in the Toleman, Bellof finished 3rd in the same race, in a Tyrrell, and was catching them slowly (I know the ywere later DSQ) Dont remember him racing, but they say he had a lot of potential, and if he lived could have been Germany first f1 champion.

He still has the Nordschleife record in a Porsche 956, which is mightily impressive!

Stefan Bellof was the world's greatest driver, and he always will be...

In 2011 season there are 2 drivers who are not rejects, but if we'd only count their home races they would still be rejects. Who are they?

Sutil, and Glock, I assume.

Shizuka wrote:Sutil, and Glock, I assume.

And that is correct! Easy right?

No... although they sprung to my mind first.

How about a second, harder, question... One was the last to unrejectify himself in his home GP?

DanielPT wrote:He still has the Nordschleife record in a Porsche 956, which is mightily impressive!

He holds the lap record for the sports car course, although it must be pointed out that 1983 was, I believe, the last time that the World Sportscar Championship used the Nordschliefe and not the modern Nurburgring. For the pre-1982 full length variant (at 22.8km), Regazzoni is recognised as the fastest driver after setting the fastest lap at the 1975 German GP, whilst Lauda's pole time is the fastest time recorded on that configuration.

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Stefan Bellof was the world's greatest driver, and he always will be...

Until somebody can find a purely objective way to measure talent over all the various disciplines of motorsport, and across its long history, then I would be very wary of making such absolute statements. Bellof might have shown promise, but he only drove in a small number of F1 races in a relatively uncompetitive car, so it is easy to extrapolate further than might be prudent. Yes, he was negotiating with Ferrari over a deal for 1986, but from 1986 onwards Ferrari struggled to beat McLaren and Williams; perhaps a podium or a lucky win might have been possible, but championships? Hard to say.

DanielPT wrote:How about a second, harder, question... One was the last to unrejectify himself in his home GP?

Button at the 2000 British GP? He'd already had a 6th in Brazil.

DanielPT wrote:How about a second, harder, question... One was the last to unrejectify himself in his home GP?

That would be Button in 2000.
Edit: James beat me

Shizuka wrote:

DanielPT wrote:How about a second, harder, question... One was the last to unrejectify himself in his home GP?

That would be Button in 2000.
Edit: James beat me

James1978 wrote:

DanielPT wrote:How about a second, harder, question... One was the last to unrejectify himself in his home GP?

Button at the 2000 British GP? He'd already had a 6th in Brazil.

You are both wrong!

Takuma Sato! 6th place in 2003 Suzuka, having finished 5th a year earlier.

...OF COURSE! *facepalms*

OOps, I was only thinking of current drivers!!!

Which former Formula 1 driver has appeared on an episode of TNA Impact? When was it? And what did he do?

Klon wrote:Which former Formula 1 driver has appeared on an episode of TNA Impact? When was it? And what did he do?

Was it Nelson Piquet laying some more smack down on Eliseo Salazar?

mario wrote:

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Stefan Bellof was the world's greatest driver, and he always will be...

Until somebody can find a purely objective way to measure talent over all the various disciplines of motorsport, and across its long history, then I would be very wary of making such absolute statements. Bellof might have shown promise, but he only drove in a small number of F1 races in a relatively uncompetitive car, so it is easy to extrapolate further than might be prudent. Yes, he was negotiating with Ferrari over a deal for 1986, but from 1986 onwards Ferrari struggled to beat McLaren and Williams; perhaps a podium or a lucky win might have been possible, but championships? Hard to say.

I'm obviously going to be very biased. Afterall, he is my favourite driver...

Klon wrote:Which former Formula 1 driver has appeared on an episode of TNA Impact? When was it? And what did he do?

TNA Impact? It got to be Juan Montoya! He got into a feud and helped someone to defeat someone I guess (some standard guest appearance stuff).

Correct. I'll save you the time of finding out the date, it was the 14th February 2008.

Wasn't he with Homicide in 2008 February, two days before... uh, Daytona 500? Also... I think... Sorenson was on the other side?
Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLdZDLbISdw here's video of them, I LOL at JPM's chair shot XD

Shizuka wrote:Wasn't he with Homicide in 2008 February, two days before... uh, Daytona 500? Also... I think... Sorenson was on the other side?
Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLdZDLbISdw here's video of them, I LOL at JPM's chair shot XD

Why didn't they bring Ralf Schumacher too? I bet Montoya was thinking of him when he hit that guy with the chair

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Stefan Bellof was the world's greatest driver, and he always will be...

Totally agree. What happened at Spa should not have happened

stupot94 wrote:

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Stefan Bellof was the world's greatest driver, and he always will be...

Totally agree. What happened at Spa should not have happened

And caused by Jacky Ickx, the same Jacky Ickx who stopped the Monaco GP '84 preventing him from catching the leaders further, did he have it in for him or what?

Or caused by Bellof? or both? or none?

It was Bellof's fault in a way...Ickx was ahead of him, and Bellof just attempted to overtake too early.

tommykl wrote:It was Bellof's fault in a way...Ickx was ahead of him, and Bellof just attempted to overtake too early.

I don't care...

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Stefan Bellof was the world's greatest driver, and he always will be...

I've been through this several times, the best is clearly Jim Clark. Clearly.

Bob wrote:

stupot94 wrote:

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Stefan Bellof was the world's greatest driver, and he always will be...

Totally agree. What happened at Spa should not have happened

And caused by Jacky Ickx, the same Jacky Ickx who stopped the Monaco GP '84 preventing him from catching the leaders further, did he have it in for him or what?

Not that it would've mattered either way, since Bellof would've been disqualified later on when Tyrrell went through Putting-Ball-Bearings-Or-Something-In-The-Fuel-Tank-Which-Gave-Some-Advantage-I-Can't-Really-Remember-Gate (PBBOSITFTWGSAICRRG).

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Not that it would've mattered either way, since Bellof would've been disqualified later on when Tyrrell went through Putting-Ball-Bearings-Or-Something-In-The-Fuel-Tank-Which-Gave-Some-Advantage-I-Can't-Really-Remember-Gate (PBBOSITFTWGSAICRRG).

It was lead shot in a water tank used for the water injection system (basically, a small amount of water would be injected into the engine cylinders to cool the fuel air mixture, preventing premature detonation and allowing you to run a higher compression ratio). So, yes, even if the race had gone the full distance, Bellof would have been disqualified anyway, making his victory redundant; besides, there would have been the additional challenge of passing Senna, who would probably have put up a very fierce fight.

Anyway, as a diversion from this topic, how about a question? Vettel is now well known for naming his cars after the press saw the name labels on his car (from Kate onwards), although this is something that Vettel has done throughout his career, being a fairly superstitious driver. So, my question is this: what name did he give to his 2008 Toro Rosso car?

Julie