Grand Prix Rejects

And before I forget here's another question:

Thierry Boutson was classified 12th in the 1984 South African Grand Prix. However he shouldn't have been classified 12th. Why?

Lap charting error, he was only 4 laps down and not 5.

Shizuka wrote:Lap charting error, he was only 4 laps down and not 5.

Correct. As an added bonus where should he have finished?

I think it was a 9th place.

Wizzie wrote:Off the top of my head I can think of two people who were disqualified from their first Grand Prix (Robert Kubica and Sergio Perez). My question is how many other people (if any) have been disqualified from their debut race?

And of course Brundle team mate, Stefan Bellof...

As well as Eppie Wietzes and Peter Revson (if his DNQ doesn't count as a race...). It also depends if you count Hans Heyer in this. Adrian Campos shares this stat as well.

I don't know the answer, but again because of the lack of a better thread...

When was red flag first used/put in the rules in F1?

Myrvold wrote:I don't know the answer, but again because of the lack of a better thread...

When was red flag first used/put in the rules in F1?

Apparently the very first race to be red flagged (and which counted for the F1 championship) was the 1950 Indy 500. It was red flagged due to rain. So I imagine that something like that was indeed in F1 regulations. Outside the Indy 500, the first one was the 1971 Canadian GP also due to bad weather. After that almost every year saw a red flagged race. Previously, and even in that horrible Von Trips accident, no race was stopped. I suppose it was because they didn't make an habit of it.

According to this, the flag signalling code was introduced in 1963, so it must be something like that.

Phoenix wrote:According to this, the flag signalling code was introduced in 1963, so it must be something like that.

I've read in another site that the first flags used were yellow and red and dated from 1899. I know that not all flags were available in 1950, but I could not find those which were (and I safely bet that the blue ones were pretty recent! ).

But they kept on racing when Bandini died in Monaco, so it doesn't answer it fully. They also kept racing when Roger Williamson died, was the race temporarely stopped when Peterson crashed? In that case it has to be between 73 and 79. Mario?

Btw, they have somewhat stopped using the red flags... Last time was when Burti crashed? When Kubica crashed it was SC, same with Ralf Schumacher.

Myrvold wrote:But they kept on racing when Bandini died in Monaco, so it doesn't answer it fully. They also kept racing when Roger Williamson died, was the race temporarely stopped when Peterson crashed? In that case it has to be between 73 and 79. Mario?

Btw, they have somewhat stopped using the red flags... Last time was when Burti crashed? When Kubica crashed it was SC, same with Ralf Schumacher.

They used the red flag just last year. In the Korean GP.

About the Williamson crash it was a major cock up it seems. They thought it was Purley who had crashed and since he left the car uninjured there were no reasons to red flag the thing.

Sorry, wasn't clear enough Meant when a driver crashed, not any weather-related.

Myrvold wrote:Sorry, wasn't clear enough Meant when a driver crashed, not any weather-related.

Oh, ok, didn't understood . I guess that is a good sign they didn't used it since. It means that no crash was serious enough for them to do that. I think the current procedure is:

small shunt = Yellow flags, unless it is a difficult access area for marshals in which case safety car is deployed;
big shunt = safety car, if a driver stays in the cockpit with marshals signalling that is serious then red flag is deployed.

Well, the Ralf Schumacher and Kubica crash was bad enough imo.

DanielPT wrote:

Myrvold wrote:Sorry, wasn't clear enough Meant when a driver crashed, not any weather-related.

Oh, ok, didn't understood . I guess that is a good sign they didn't used it since. It means that no crash was serious enough for them to do that.

Wasn't a qualy session red-flagged due to Ide-incompetance?

And in Peter Ustinov's Grand Prix of Gilbraltar, they have two additional flags, a pink one and a pale blue & orange on. The former means the residents of the local hotel are complaining about the noise and to try to keep the noise down, and the latter meaning there'll be an aerial attack and to take shelter in the tunnel. Let's hope the pink flag will never be used at Brands Hatch, Spa, Monza, Monaco, Singapore, etc.!

OK, here's a photo-based trivia question... It's the blue car that is the subject of the question.



I want driver's name, team, championship, track, date, race result(s), and the connection between him/her and Lewis Hamilton.

OK, some brief googling with regards to Dr.'s Q, I now have a rather long shot.

Name: Oliver Rowland
Team: Fortec
Championship: F.Renault
Track: Brands Hatch
Date: 3 April '11
Race Result: Alex Lynn, Will Stevens, Tio Ellinas, Oliver Rowland
Link to Hamilton (what I'm banking on): he's been in the McLaren young drivers programme since he was 11-ish.

shinji wrote:OK, some brief googling with regards to Dr.'s Q, I now have a rather long shot.

Name: Oliver Rowland
Team: Fortec
Championship: F.Renault
Track: Brands Hatch
Date: 3 April '11
Race Result: Alex Lynn, Will Stevens, Tio Ellinas, Oliver Rowland
Link to Hamilton (what I'm banking on): he's been in the McLaren young drivers programme since he was 11-ish.

Name: wrong
Team: wrong
Championship: correct (more specifically FR 2.0 UK, as raced in by Kimi Raikkonen and Heikki Kovalainen)
Track: correct
Date: correct (despite the date in the link to the photo - well-done!)
Race result: I actually meant the particular driver's finishing position(s)...
Link to Hamilton: not the one I'm looking for...

dr-baker wrote:OK, here's a photo-based trivia question... It's the blue car that is the subject of the question.



I want driver's name, team, championship, track, date, race result(s), and the connection between him/her and Lewis Hamilton.

Name: Josh Hill
Team: Manor
Championship: F.Renault 2.0 UK
Track: Brands Hatch
Date: 3 April '11
Race Result: 7th
Link to Hamilton (what I'm banking on): son of Damon Hill, last British F1 champion before Hamilton

Is my Google-fu still working?

baddriving50 wrote:

dr-baker wrote:OK, here's a photo-based trivia question... It's the blue car that is the subject of the question.



I want driver's name, team, championship, track, date, race result(s), and the connection between him/her and Lewis Hamilton.

Name: Josh Hill
Team: Manor
Championship: F.Renault 2.0 UK
Track: Brands Hatch
Date: 3 April '11
Race Result: 7th
Link to Hamilton (what I'm banking on): son of Damon Hill, last British F1 champion before Hamilton

Is my Google-fu still working?

All correct, apart from the link to Hamilton. Shinji, you should have been able to guess from Josh's helmet that he was a Hill...

Link to Hamilton: Josh has a brother with Down's Syndrome, Lewis has a brother with cerebral palsy.

I was also going to ask what the link between the driver and the track was, the answer being that Brands Hatch has a corner named after Josh's grandfather, but I thought that might make the answers too easy...

Even though I haven't answered any questions yet, Can I seek in a question?

Why did Mclaren pay 1 million US Dollars for a copy of Ricardo Patrese's 1993 Benetton contract?

Hopefully the answer wont be on Wiki or Google.

ibsey wrote:Hopefully the answer wont be on Wiki or Google.

First lesson of the internet:

Everything in the world is on Google!

In answer to the question, I have no idea myself, though I'd imagine it might be due to McLaren originally wanting to recruit Patrese for 1994?

AndreaModa wrote:In answer to the question, I have no idea myself, though I'd imagine it might be due to McLaren originally wanting to recruit Patrese for 1994?

No. But it does have something to do with some very complex & clever negotiations to recruit another driver.

Something to do with recruiting Martin Brundle, perhaps?

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Something to do with recruiting Martin Brundle, perhaps?

No. But Keep trying.

I'm going to take a while stab in the dark and say that it was part of their plan to try and keep Senna on side throughout 1993 and into 1994.

No. Ask yourself...why would Mclaren want a Benetton contract? Thats the easy part.

The harder part involves the very complex & clever negotiations.

Wait... does it have to do with everyone's "favourite" German?

Assuming you don't mean Vettel...Yes correct.

Can you have a go at the harder part?

Clue; the answer is in Eddie Jordan's book.

They wanted to make sure either Andretti or Häkkinen would not be able to jump ship after a few races and looked for the same formula Benetton used to make sure that doesn't happen?

Klon wrote:They wanted to make sure either Andretti or Häkkinen would not be able to jump ship after a few races and looked for the same formula Benetton used to make sure that doesn't happen?

But by that point Andretti had already been sacked.

Wizzie wrote:

Klon wrote:They wanted to make sure either Andretti or Häkkinen would not be able to jump ship after a few races and looked for the same formula Benetton used to make sure that doesn't happen?

But by that point Andretti had already been sacked.

Nice try but not correct either. Would you like another clue?

Seeing as in the last couple of days, no body has tried to answer the question of what complex & clever negotiations tactics were behind Mclaren acquiring Ricardo Patrese's 1993 Benetton contract, I shall give you lot another clue to help.

Basically, Ron Dennis knew that Schumacher had a certain clause in his Benetton contract (which ran until 1995). Ron also knew that something in Patrese's contract, breach that particular clause in Schumacher's contract. That is why he offered Patrese 1 million US Dollars for a copy of his 1993 Benetton contract. Upon recieving Patrese's contract, Ron then approached Schumacher, to highlight to him this breach that Benetton had made, in the hope that Schumacher would be angry with Benetton & join Mclaren.

Can you tell me what the clause & subsquence breach in question were? (it is perhaps more obvious than you may think)

I don't know but... what a stupid way for Ron Dennis to lose $1 million.

Is it that Schumacher insisted on being the number 1 in the team and Patrese insisted on being equal no.1 or something?

dr-baker wrote:Is it that Schumacher insisted on being the number 1 in the team and Patrese insisted on being equal no.1 or something?

Yes that was in Schumacher's contract, but as far as I am aware Patrese didn't also have number 1 status.

In fact the clause I was looking for stipulated "no teammate to Schumacher is allowed to be paid more than he was".Therefore Ron knew that Patrese WAS being paid more than Schumacher in 1993. That is why he offered Patrese 1 million US Dollars for a copy of his 1993 Benetton contract. Upon recieving Patrese's contract, Ron then approached Schumacher, to highlight to him this breach that Benetton had made against him, in the hope that Schumacher would be angry with Benetton & accept a offer to join Mclaren.

Instead Schumacher, approached Flavio Briatore about this breach & Flavio apologised & pleaded for Schumacher to stay at Benetton, paying him more money as a result.

Here's one:

Two races into this season and Sebastian Vettel has a 24 point lead over second placed man Jenson Button. The largest points gap the championship leader had over the second placed car last year was 14 points. Two drivers managed to achieve it once each during the season. Who were they, what race was it after and who was in second place on those occasions?

Wizzie wrote:Here's one:

Two races into this season and Sebastian Vettel has a 24 point lead over second placed man Jenson Button. The largest points gap the championship leader had over the second placed car last year was 14 points. Two drivers managed to achieve it once each during the season. Who were they, what race was it after and who was in second place on those occasions?

The first one was Lewis Hamilton after the German GP (157 points against Jenson Button's 143), and then there was Mark Webber leading with 220 points over Fernando Alonso's 206 points after the Japanese GP.

Phoenix wrote:

Wizzie wrote:Here's one:

Two races into this season and Sebastian Vettel has a 24 point lead over second placed man Jenson Button. The largest points gap the championship leader had over the second placed car last year was 14 points. Two drivers managed to achieve it once each during the season. Who were they, what race was it after and who was in second place on those occasions?

The first one was Lewis Hamilton after the German GP (157 points against Jenson Button's 143), and then there was Mark Webber leading with 220 points over Fernando Alonso's 206 points after the Japanese GP.

That was quick.