Ponderbox

Post by **Londoner** » 19 Jan 2013, 10:55

I would say the Reverend at Monaco, but after that atrocious performance in the Principality last season, I'm not so sure.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 19 Jan 2013, 11:01

Wizzie wrote:Earlier today, I was thinking to myself about how many drivers on the grid have tracks that they tend to perform better at than everywhere else and I've come to some very interesting conclusions:

Obviously, Nico Hulkenberg's best track is quickly becoming Interlagos after his incredible pole lap in 2010 and actually being in contention to win last year. However, former teammate Paul di Resta actually seems to do better at Singapore than everywhere else on the calender based on previous results. Which got me wondering if all the drivers on the grid have one or two tracks where they perform noticeably better than anywhere else.

Massa was reknowned for his prowess around Bahrain, Istanbul, and Interlagos from 06-09.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 19 Jan 2013, 12:35

Raikkonen at Spa is pretty much a given, as is Graham Hill at Monaco.

A less well known one is Nick Heidfeld and Malaysia - if he made the finish it would usually be one of his better results of the year.

Post by **mario** » 19 Jan 2013, 12:54

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Earlier today, I was thinking to myself about how many drivers on the grid have tracks that they tend to perform better at than everywhere else and I've come to some very interesting conclusions:

Obviously, Nico Hulkenberg's best track is quickly becoming Interlagos after his incredible pole lap in 2010 and actually being in contention to win last year. However, former teammate Paul di Resta actually seems to do better at Singapore than everywhere else on the calender based on previous results. Which got me wondering if all the drivers on the grid have one or two tracks where they perform noticeably better than anywhere else.

Massa was reknowned for his prowess around Bahrain, Istanbul, and Interlagos from 06-09.

If you think about it, Massa's results at Bahrain post 2009 weren't that bad either - he still managed to take a podium finish in 2010, whilst in the first half of 2012, when he was still struggling, one of his better results came at Bahrain (where he was within 7s of Alonso at the finish, who was in 7th place and also struggling for pace in that race).

As for some other drivers, Alonso, like Di Resta, seems to also go well at Singapore too - OK, there was the contentious win in 2008 (although he had been one of the quickest drivers throughout that race weekend anyway), but he put the R29 on the podium there in 2009, took full advantage of Vettel's missteps in 2010 to win, had a moderately good race in 2011 and another solid podium in 2012.
Kimi and his love of Spa is, naturally, a given, whilst for Hamilton it seems that his two strongest tracks are Canada and Abu Dhabi (three very slid wins in Canada, whilst in Abu Dhabi he has won once, finished second once and twice retired from the lead of the race due to mechanical problems whilst leading). Webber's strongest track in recent years seems to be Silverstone - twice a winner there, arguably the quicker of the two Red Bull drivers in 2011 and a podium in 2010.

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 19 Jan 2013, 13:09

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:Raikkonen at Spa is pretty much a given, as is Graham Hill at Monaco.

A less well known one is Nick Heidfeld and Malaysia - if he made the finish it would usually be one of his better results of the year.

Heidfeld had a knack for going well at Brazil as well; IIRC he scored his first podium there.

An obvious one is Ayrton Senna at Monaco.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 19 Jan 2013, 13:14

If we include retired drivers (Hill, Senna, Heidfeld), I want to add Mika Hakkinen and Catalunya 98-01.

98 - pole + win + led 63 laps
99 - pole + win + led 61 laps
00 - q2nd + win + led 27 laps
01 - q2nd + led 26 laps (I was pretty gutted that Sunday, the win was Mika's. From memory he had a 40-second lead on the final lap and the god damned clutch fails. So instead MS won by 40 seconds himself over Montoya. The only good thing to come out of it was Mika's funny post-race trackside interview.)

It should have been 4 straight.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 19 Jan 2013, 13:23

Damon Hill always went well at Hungary - 2 wins in 1993 and 95 and three second places in 1994, 96 and 97 in the Arrows of course.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 19 Jan 2013, 13:29

AndreaModa wrote:Damon Hill always went well at Hungary - 2 wins in 1993 and 95 and three second places in 1994, 96 and 97 in the Arrows of course.

Hamilton's also been pretty handy around there.

Meatwad · Post by **Meatwad** » 19 Jan 2013, 17:11

East Londoner wrote:I would say the Reverend at Monaco, but after that atrocious performance in the Principality last season, I'm not so sure.

I think Barcelona would be a good choice for Maldonado's best race. In addition to the win in 2012, he reached Q3 there the year before, impressive considering the crap car that he had. Sadly, the car was too bad for him to do anything in the race.

girry · Post by **girry** » 19 Jan 2013, 19:51

Kubica regularly used to do well round Monaco if I recall correctly... =(

Fisichella had his good performances round Spa quite often also, Vettel's track record round India and Korea isn't too shabby either.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 19 Jan 2013, 20:19

You'd also be well advised to name Sebastian Vettel and India, seeing as nobody else ever lead a lap there. :lol:

Post by **Ataxia** » 19 Jan 2013, 20:38

Fisi was always very good around Montreal too...

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 19 Jan 2013, 22:25

I'm surprised nobody has gone for the obvious Michael Schumacher and Spa yet...

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 19 Jan 2013, 22:49

Or Jim Clark and Spa...

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 19 Jan 2013, 23:09

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Or Jim Clark and Spa...

Which is remarkable because he really disliked Spa

Ickx did love Nürburgring, and usually performed very well there.

Glock and Singapore.

Sarrazin and Interlagos, oh wait...

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 19 Jan 2013, 23:43

This wrote:Sarrazin and Interlagos, oh wait...

Apicella and Monza!

Svenko Wankerov · Post by **Svenko Wankerov** » 20 Jan 2013, 05:00

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:
This wrote:Sarrazin and Interlagos, oh wait...

Apicella and Monza!

I raise you Winkelhock at Nurburgring.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 20 Jan 2013, 07:01

Sutil at Monaco? Won FP3 in 2007, was in 4th in 2008 until Kimi came, 2009 isn't a good result... 8th in 2010, 7th in 2011

How about Button and Shanghai? 2nd in 2004, 8th in 2005, 4th in 2006, 5th in 2007, 2008 isn't a good result... 3rd in 2009, won in 2010, 4th in 2011, 2nd in 2012

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 20 Jan 2013, 10:06

Button and Suzuka is a better fit, I think.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 20 Jan 2013, 10:20

I would have said Australia for Button - three wins recently and pole in 2006!

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 20 Jan 2013, 11:01

Shizuka wrote:Sutil at Monaco? Won FP3 in 2007, was in 4th in 2008 until Kimi came, 2009 isn't a good result... 8th in 2010, 7th in 2011

Wasn't 2009 his first ever Q2 appearance as well? Took him nearly 2 and a half seasons so escape Q1.

Post by **mario** » 20 Jan 2013, 11:50

redbulljack14 wrote:
Shizuka wrote:Sutil at Monaco? Won FP3 in 2007, was in 4th in 2008 until Kimi came, 2009 isn't a good result... 8th in 2010, 7th in 2011

Wasn't 2009 his first ever Q2 appearance as well? Took him nearly 2 and a half seasons so escape Q1.

I think that you are right, and that was the first time that he made it into a Q2 session.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 20 Jan 2013, 12:26

Has anyone said Eddie Irvine and Suzuka? Ironically I thought his worst performance there was 1999 when he was going for the championship......

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 20 Jan 2013, 13:17

dr-baker wrote:I'm surprised nobody has gone for the obvious Michael Schumacher and Magny Cours yet...

fixed

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 20 Jan 2013, 14:34

Jocke1 wrote:
dr-baker wrote:I'm surprised nobody has gone for the obvious Michael Schumacher and Magny Cours yet...

fixed

Good call...

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 20 Jan 2013, 14:36

mario wrote:... whilst for Hamilton it seems that his two strongest tracks are Canada and Abu Dhabi (three very slid wins in Canada, whilst in Abu Dhabi he has won once, finished second once and twice retired from the lead of the race due to mechanical problems whilst leading).

I reckon you could say Hamilton and North America generally, couldn't you? Hasn't he won every GP he has entered in the USA? (Yes, all two of them.

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Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 20 Jan 2013, 15:11

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Button and Suzuka is a better fit, I think.

Good point.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 20 Jan 2013, 15:21

James1978 wrote:Has anyone said Eddie Irvine and Suzuka? Ironically I thought his worst performance there was 1999 when he was going for the championship......

Argentina trumps that. By a long way.

Post by **tommykl** » 20 Jan 2013, 19:20

Obviously, Sebastian Vettel and Suzuka. He won there three times in four years he's had a competitive car, and was two seconds behind Button the year he didn't win (2011)...

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 23 Jan 2013, 09:57

F1 Deprivation hasn't really been a thing this off season, and there seems to have been a reduction in the activity of this forum in general. The more I think about it it's actually a little bit concerning for the future of this forum.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 23 Jan 2013, 10:42

I haven't really used any forum except the PMMF this winter. I think the lack of what might normally be considered F1 Deprivation may be due to the fact we have the EvdPMF now, where people can talk about whatever the hell they like.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 23 Jan 2013, 10:53

Warren Hughes wrote:I haven't really used any forum except the PMMF this winter. I think the lack of what might normally be considered F1 Deprivation may be due to the fact we have the EvdPMF now, where people can talk about whatever the hell they like.

Yep, these two subforums have allowed us to vent out most of our F1 Deprivation. In fact, I have no F1 Deprivation at all - my interest in the sport has gradually decreased for a good few years now, although I'm still eager to see how Räikkönen and especially Bottas perform.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 23 Jan 2013, 11:08

Nuppiz wrote:
Warren Hughes wrote:I haven't really used any forum except the PMMF this winter. I think the lack of what might normally be considered F1 Deprivation may be due to the fact we have the EvdPMF now, where people can talk about whatever the hell they like.

Yep, these two subforums have allowed us to vent out most of our F1 Deprivation. In fact, I have no F1 Deprivation at all - my interest in the sport has gradually decreased for a good few years now, although I'm still eager to see how Räikkönen and especially Bottas perform.

Indeed, and I have all my racing teams to run into the ground through truly baffling decisions during the off season as well so I'm covered in that regard.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 23 Jan 2013, 12:32

My F1 Deprivation this winter I think has been tempered by my uni workload and placement. However, it may catch up as F1 testing approaches.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 23 Jan 2013, 12:56

dr-baker wrote:My F1 Deprivation this winter I think has been tempered by my uni workload and placement. However, it may catch up as F1 testing approaches.

I agree, it's always around testing when the new cars come out that I can't wait for the new season! I'm looking forward to hopefully seeing some new liveries, especially McLaren if they have Telmex backing, plus seeing what Lotus, Sauber, Williams and Marussia come up with as there's bound to be a few tweaks in them.

Post by **mario** » 23 Jan 2013, 16:29

dr-baker wrote:My F1 Deprivation this winter I think has been tempered by my uni workload and placement. However, it may catch up as F1 testing approaches.

I'm in a similar situation to you too, and would agree with you there.

That said, another aspect that has probably tempered the usual F1 Deprivation outbreak is the fact that the off season driver market has been a bit more active than usual, not to mention the various rule changes that have come in over the past few months too.

Overall, there has been more to discuss in many ways in the off season, so the transition between the 2012 and 2013 seasons has been more gradual, plus the very late finish to the 2012 season and the early tests in 2013 have softened the blow (it is just under two months since the last race of 2012, and yet we are now barely 8 days away from the first car launches and under two weeks away from the first test session).

The fact that the championship went down to the wire in 2012 probably helps too - by comparison, in 2011 it was obvious very early on that Vettel was going to comfortably take the title that F1 Deprivation effectively kicked in in October when Vettel took the WDC and the top four positions in the WCC were already established.
The only real interest in the tail end of the season was whether Force India could or couldn't catch Renault for 5th in the WCC and whether Sauber or Toro Rosso would finish 7th, and even those kind of fizzled out since the drivers in question were rarely fighting together on track. The fact that season was so anticlimactic probably meant that most relished the idea of the fresh start that the 2012 season seemed to offer, whereas 2013 is expected to be a more conservative version of 2012 (Pirelli is making smaller changes to the tyres, and the running order is expected to settle down rather than become more varied), so expectations are probably lower too.

Benetton · Post by **Benetton** » 23 Jan 2013, 18:22

Giancarlo Fisichella @ Montreal and Spa.

Hakkinen @ Suzuka and Catalunya.

Button @ Melbourne.

andrew2209 · Post by **andrew2209** » 23 Jan 2013, 19:50

AndreaModa wrote:
dr-baker wrote:My F1 Deprivation this winter I think has been tempered by my uni workload and placement. However, it may catch up as F1 testing approaches.

I agree, it's always around testing when the new cars come out that I can't wait for the new season! I'm looking forward to hopefully seeing some new liveries, especially McLaren if they have Telmex backing, plus seeing what Lotus, Sauber, Williams and Marussia come up with as there's bound to be a few tweaks in them.

I can't see any team ATM that will definitely change their livery. However, I feel Sauber should go with a blue car (they still have Telmex IIRC and Chelsea FC, 2 shades of blue that could work well with some white, like the 98 Benetton). Also, Marussia should go for a white/red/blue scheme, like the 90's Footworks in my opinion, and Toro Rosso should try something different in my opinion.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 23 Jan 2013, 20:09

andrew2209 wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:
dr-baker wrote:My F1 Deprivation this winter I think has been tempered by my uni workload and placement. However, it may catch up as F1 testing approaches.

I agree, it's always around testing when the new cars come out that I can't wait for the new season! I'm looking forward to hopefully seeing some new liveries, especially McLaren if they have Telmex backing, plus seeing what Lotus, Sauber, Williams and Marussia come up with as there's bound to be a few tweaks in them.

I can't see any team ATM that will definitely change their livery. However, I feel Sauber should go with a blue car (they still have Telmex IIRC and Chelsea FC, 2 shades of blue that could work well with some white, like the 98 Benetton). Also, Marussia should go for a white/red/blue scheme, like the 90's Footworks in my opinion, and Toro Rosso should try something different in my opinion.

Like this, perhaps?

I didn't make that, it's been floating around the internet since 2009. Light blue isn't used enough on racing cars.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 23 Jan 2013, 22:23

I think it is almost certain that Toro Rosso will not change for as long as their under their current ownership. I think it is not impossible to see a different Lotus livery depending on the level of sponsorship from that Coke owned energy drink company that I can't remember the name of.