Reject photos

Post by **Nuppiz** » 29 Feb 2012, 22:17

f1-gast wrote:Probably a few know the story about the Tyrrell Test of Gabrielle Tarquini

I knew he was their test driver in 1995, and even substituted for Katayama once, but that looks like the 1994 Tyrrell.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 29 Feb 2012, 23:28

wmetcalf68 wrote:
Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:
tommykl wrote:Maria de Villota, none other than the daughter of Emilio

When did she this test?

I'm guessing late 2011.

I believe it was at one of the last World Series by Renault meetings of last year.

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 01 Mar 2012, 17:54

Just wanted to say a massive thank you to all those who have posted these great photo's.

I'm loving them especially stuff like the 1986 Osella. To me that looks to be massive (a bit like an F1 verison of an US muscle car) in comparsion to other 1986 F1 cars. The chassis also looks to be quite outdated, as well, in comparsion to most other 1986 F1 cars.

So this got me wondering, does anyone know what is the oldest chassis an F1 team has attempted to qualify in a race was. Off the top of my head I would have thought it to have been the 2006 Super Aguri, which IIRC was just a 2002 Arrows (A23 I think?) with a different paint job.

Post by **tommykl** » 01 Mar 2012, 18:02

ibsey wrote:Just wanted to say a massive thank you to all those who have posted these great photo's. I'm loving them especially stuff like the 1986 Osella. To me that looks to be massive (a bit like an F1 verison of an US muscle car) in comparsion to other 1986 F1 cars. The chassis also looks to be quite outdated, as well, in comparsion to most other 1986 F1 cars.

So this got me wondering, does anyone know what is the oldest chassis an F1 team has attempted to qualify in a race was. Off the top of my head I would have thought it to have been the 2006 Super Aguri, which IIRC was just a 2002 Arrows (A23 I think?) with a different paint job.

The ERA A-Type was 16 years old in 1950 when Bob Gerard entered it at Monaco...

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 01 Mar 2012, 18:56

tommykl wrote:The ERA A-Type was 16 years old in 1950 when Bob Gerard entered it at Monaco...

Thanks for your response, tommykl.

That kinda reminds me of a story I read in a book called Grand Prix Sabotuers by Joe Saward. At the first motor race held in Paris, after WW2, IIRC all the cars entered were pre WW2 machines that had been hidden during the war in farmyard barns, etc. Anyway, one of the drivers (can't remember who it was off the top of my head), found he couldn't restart his car when he wanted to enter into this race. The reason being, was he found Rat droppings in somewhere like the exhast pipes.

So all the other drivers all jokely nicknamed this particular driver 'Rat Droppings' (or a word with a the same meaning as 'droppings', but sounds very simliar to 'hit'). Thereafter his nickname forever followed him. So much so that when he retired & decided to open up a resturant, he named it after his nickname that he became famous for.

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 01 Mar 2012, 19:10

Actually another thing has poped into my mind, which i'll ask here since, I don't know of another thread that would be relevant for it. Does anyone know if one could / can still buy off ebay, team wear (i.e. caps, jackets or T - shirts etc) or any of our beloved reject teams featured here. How I would love to wear an 1986 Osella jacket to a GP!

If it is not possible to buy presumable you would have to 'get it made' yourself then? (I assume copyright wouldn't be an issue anymore, since the team doesn't exist?)

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 01 Mar 2012, 23:33

This is about as close as you'll get without hunting down all the reject team gear on eBay, which will probably take years.

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 01 Mar 2012, 23:55

dinizintheoven wrote:This is about as close as you'll get without hunting down all the reject team gear on eBay, which will probably take years.

Thanks so much for that dinizintheoven

. Not only do they have Osella stuff, but also Andrea Moda T Shirts with "Let Pel Out" written on the back. Brilliant!

Pieman · Post by **Pieman** » 02 Mar 2012, 02:49

ibsey wrote:That kinda reminds me of a story I read in a book called Grand Prix Sabotuers by Joe Saward. At the first motor race held in Paris, after WW2, IIRC all the cars entered were pre WW2 machines that had been hidden during the war in farmyard barns, etc. Anyway, one of the drivers (can't remember who it was off the top of my head), found he couldn't restart his car when he wanted to enter into this race. The reason being, was he found Rat droppings in somewhere like the exhast pipes.

So all the other drivers all jokely nicknamed this particular driver 'Rat Droppings' (or a word with a the same meaning as 'droppings', but sounds very simliar to 'hit'). Thereafter his nickname forever followed him. So much so that when he retired & decided to open up a resturant, he named it after his nickname that he became famous for.

That was Maurice Trintignant, also known as "Le Petoulet" after the above incident.

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 08 Mar 2012, 21:16

Some more rejected drivers

Alex Ribeiro

Pedro lamy Footwork FA16

David Brabham Footwork FA17

Luca Badoer Minardi-Hart M197

Katsumi Yamamoto (Father of) Pacific PR02

Luciano Burti Stewart SF3

David kennedy Jordan 1999

Guy Ligier Ligier JS11

Post by **Londoner** » 08 Mar 2012, 21:29

f1-gast wrote:Some more rejected drivers
Katsumi Yamamoto (Father of) Pacific PR02

The reject who never was! If only the FIA had granted him a superlicence, who knows what reject goodness he could have produced. Something on the levels of Deletraz?

I don't think he's the father of $akon though...

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 08 Mar 2012, 21:51

East Londoner wrote:
f1-gast wrote:Some more rejected drivers
Katsumi Yamamoto (Father of) Pacific PR02

The reject who never was! If only the FIA had granted him a superlicence, who knows what reject goodness he could have produced. Something on the levels of Deletraz?

I don't think he's the father of $akon though...

According to Driversdb, Katsumi Yamamoto is 37 years old at now, too young to be Sakon's father.
I don't know if they are related, but I think that Yamamoto is a common surname in Japan.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 09 Mar 2012, 05:51

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] wrote:
East Londoner wrote:
f1-gast wrote:Some more rejected drivers
Katsumi Yamamoto (Father of) Pacific PR02

The reject who never was! If only the FIA had granted him a superlicence, who knows what reject goodness he could have produced. Something on the levels of Deletraz?

I don't think he's the father of $akon though...

According to Driversdb, Katsumi Yamamoto is 37 years old at now, too young to be Sakon's father.
I don't know if they are related, but I think that Yamamoto is a common surname in Japan.

So he's not too young to make a comeback (sort of).

f1-gast · Post by **f1-gast** » 09 Mar 2012, 20:02

I always thought it was his father.
So he could manage to make an return to the f1, but i don''t think he i still racing.

I know he drove Formula 3 in Germany orso.

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 16 Mar 2012, 11:21

Jamie and Enoch wrote:After the Swiss driver (Deletraz) defaulted on payment, Wiggins wanted Katsumi Yamamoto to drive in the Japanese races, and Oliver Gavin in Australia, but neither were granted a superlicence, so Gachot was forced to resume driving duties.

Pieman · Post by **Pieman** » 16 Mar 2012, 13:29

Few may remember that Oliver Gavin has driven in more GPs than many of the rejects on here...

Post by **Nuppiz** » 16 Mar 2012, 14:50

Pieman wrote:Few may remember that Oliver Gavin has driven in more GPs than many of the rejects on here...

And has also led quite a few laps in his outings...

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 17 Mar 2012, 04:08

Nuppiz wrote:
Pieman wrote:Few may remember that Oliver Gavin has driven in more GPs than many of the rejects on here...

And has also led quite a few laps in his outings...

He's led every lap he's ever done!! Not even the likes of Fangio, Senna or Schumacher can hold a light to that achievement

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 19 Mar 2012, 14:20

AdrianSutil wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:
Pieman wrote:Few may remember that Oliver Gavin has driven in more GPs than many of the rejects on here...

And has also led quite a few laps in his outings...

He's led every lap he's ever done!! Not even the likes of Fangio, Senna or Schumacher can hold a light to that achievement

...& I don't think he has ever crashed out of a GP either.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 19 Mar 2012, 20:24

Apologies for not having been around, but I've got another loads of photos to upload. I'll do it this week, I promise.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 21 Mar 2012, 15:15

Faustus wrote:Apologies for not having been around, but I've got another loads of photos to upload. I'll do it this week, I promise.

You better do :twisted:

midgrid · Post by **midgrid** » 30 Mar 2012, 15:22

Just found this website - click on "FORMULA 1" and there's a huge archive from 1986 to the present, including many rejects, e.g.

Taki Inoue, 1995 Belgian Grand Prix

Sunshine_Baby_[IT] · Post by **Sunshine_Baby_[IT]** » 30 Mar 2012, 17:42

In that website there are a lot of beautiful photos.
I had never seen this photo of Inoue before...

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 31 Mar 2012, 01:07

What a goldmine.

So, which reject team forgot to build a complete car at the Hungaroring in 1988? And which non-reject team tried to enhance their normally-aspirated heap of junk with the crudest airbox ever built, that made their very wrong car even more wrong? Find out on this website!

Post by **Ataxia** » 31 Mar 2012, 12:35

Some excellent finds! Enjoying looking at these photos.

Here's something I found, it's Gabriele Tarquini in the FIRST F189.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/88tarquinif189judtro01.jpg/

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 16 Jul 2012, 15:07

Here we go with some photos of rejects, courtesy of Chris.

From 1981.

A couple of Brian Henton in the Toleman:

The non-reject Derek Warwick in the Toleman:

An interesting one of the Toleman in the pits showing the gigantic and weirdly-positioned turbo:

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 17 Jul 2012, 13:26

I was wondering what that lump on top of the engine cover was. Cheers for clearing that up!

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 17 Jul 2012, 22:56

dinizintheoven wrote:I was wondering what that lump on top of the engine cover was. Cheers for clearing that up!

It's an ugly-arse lump isn't it? The early Hart turbos were well dodgy.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 18 Jul 2012, 07:02

Faustus wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:I was wondering what that lump on top of the engine cover was. Cheers for clearing that up!

It's an ugly-arse lump isn't it? The early Hart turbos were well dodgy.

That explains it then. No wonder the 2013 Foxdales kept blowing up :lol:

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 18 Jul 2012, 08:42

1983.

Bruno Giacomelli in the Toleman TG183B. Not a reject.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 18 Jul 2012, 08:47

1984.

Some rejects for starters. Well, reject team.

Jonathan Palmer in the RAM 02:

Philippe Alliot in the RAM 02:

And a non-reject, Eddie Cheever in the Alfa Romeo 184T:

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 18 Jul 2012, 08:56

1985.

The non-reject Riccardo Patrese in the Alfa Romeo 185T. Love the yellow wheels:

Pierluigi Martini in the Minardi M185:

Jonathan Palmer in the reject Zakspeed 841:

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 18 Jul 2012, 09:01

1986.

Andrea de Cesaris in the Minardi M186, looking great in the traditional black and yellow livery:

Alan Jones in the Beatrice Haas Lola THL-2:

Patrick Tamaby in the Beatrice Haas Lola THL-2:

A couple of Jonathan Palmer in the reject Zakspeed 861:

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 18 Jul 2012, 09:06

1987.

Riccardo Patrese in the Brabham BT57:

Ivan Capelli in the March 871:

Alessandro Nannini in the Minardi M187:

Martin Brundle in the reject Zakspeed 871:

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 18 Jul 2012, 09:13

1988.

The Leyton House March pits.

The reject Gabriele Tarquini in the also-reject-although-not-quite-in-the-same-way Coloni FC188:

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 19 Jul 2012, 15:42

It amazes me how so different each car looks in the same year. Minardi to Zakspeed to March, all completely different bodies. Wish they could do that in today's F1.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 19 Jul 2012, 16:56

AdrianSutil wrote:It amazes me how so different each car looks in the same year. Minardi to Zakspeed to March, all completely different bodies. Wish they could do that in today's F1.

Agreed. Just a shame that the rules are so prescriptive nowadays.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 19 Jul 2012, 18:16

Faustus, these photos are amazing!

Although I don't agree that Tarquini is equally rejectful to Coloni.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 19 Jul 2012, 19:55

redbulljack14 wrote:Faustus, these photos are amazing!

Although I don't agree that Tarquini is equally rejectful to Coloni.

Faustus wrote:The reject-by-the-criteria-of-this-site-and-forum-although-not-quite-in-the-same-way-as-his-car-in-this-photo Gabriele Tarquini in the equally reject Coloni FC188:

Duly noted and agreed. Is that better?

midgrid · Post by **midgrid** » 19 Jul 2012, 22:16

Great photos! Please keep them coming!