Grand Prix Rejects

James1978 wrote:Why Japan for Japan?

Did Massa's entourage get it for thinking he'd won the championship when he hadn't? Seeing that guy punch the TV was funny

Japan for Japan because Nakajima came last, Honda came 2nd & 3rd from last and Super Aguri weren't there at all. (Toyota, who Trulli finished 5th for, weren't mentioned, but presumably they were either too boring & lacking in Japanese fighting spirit to count as truly Japanese, or their boringness and lack of Japanese fighting spirit contributed to Japan's RotR. Or maybe Jamie and Ench simply forgot about them for the aforementioned reasons).

Yes, Massa's entourage's RotR was for what was the main page RotR caption descried as their "Dewey defeats Truman" moment.

ADx_Wales wrote:

tc3j3r wrote:Leaderboard updated for Japanese GP. Lucas di Grassi debuts in joint 42nd place, which is easily the most notable thing he's done all year...

Ahem? Getting back past Michael Schumacer in Melbourne?

Schumacher's own anonymity this year must have been waht caused that to slip my mind...

ADx_Wales wrote:

tc3j3r wrote:Leaderboard updated for Japanese GP. Lucas di Grassi debuts in joint 42nd place, which is easily the most notable thing he's done all year...

Ahem? Getting back past Michael Schumacer in Melbourne?

Unless I'm very much mistaken, that was Timo.

Leaderboard updated for Korean GP. Adrian Sutil jumps from joint-23rd to joint-17th, level with his compatriots Ralf Schumacher and Nico Rosberg.

Leaderboard updated for Brazilian GP. Vitantionio Liuzzi jumps from joint 24th to joint 17th, level with his team-mate Adrian Sutil, as well as Ralf Schumacher and Nico Rosberg.

Thanks!

Do you think at some point in the future you could list the races each driver/team has won their awards in the first post?

It would be a lot of work, but maybe one day if I'm really bored...

tc3j3r wrote:It would be a lot of work, but maybe one day if I'm really bored...

ok, that's fine

There's listing of each ROTR. A bit of colours used. Italics mean shared award.

http://rapidshare.com/files/430341436/rotr.xlsx

Leaderboard updated for Abu Dhabi GP. The Abu Dhabi podium rosewater debuts in joint 42nd place.

First leaderboard update of 2011! Rubens Barrichello jumps from joint-12th to 8th place.

I wonder if Jamie and Enoch will ever break their tie, or if they are permanently affixed to each others' point totals.

I'm just looking at which current (not new for 2011) drivers have never got an ROTR - there seems to be only Glock, Karthikeyan (did he only avoid one in '05 due to low expectations?), and Petrov which seems surprising considering the repair bills he gave Renault last year!

Kubica also doesn't have one in four and a half seasons (not even a partial one) which is very impressive, he's managed something which none of the other top drivers of the era have! (And he might never get one........)

James1978 wrote:I'm just looking at which current (not new for 2011) drivers have never got an ROTR - there seems to be only Glock, Karthikeyan (did he only avoid one in '05 due to low expectations?), and Petrov which seems surprising considering the repair bills he gave Renault last year!

Kubica also doesn't have one in four and a half seasons (not even a partial one) which is very impressive, he's managed something which none of the other top drivers of the era have! (And he might never get one........)

He is part of the joint 'everyone-except-the-podium-finishers' ROTR in Canada '07. But yes, that aside, Kubica is one of the least rejectful drivers out there, which is part of why I like him - he has bucketloads of speed, and makes very few mistakes. He doesn't faff about with the media and come off as an arse like Alonso, Hamilton, and Vettel, but you can tell he's committed, unlike Raikkonen. That is, when you give him a car that's not an absolute dog.

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:

James1978 wrote:I'm just looking at which current (not new for 2011) drivers have never got an ROTR - there seems to be only Glock, Karthikeyan (did he only avoid one in '05 due to low expectations?), and Petrov which seems surprising considering the repair bills he gave Renault last year!

Kubica also doesn't have one in four and a half seasons (not even a partial one) which is very impressive, he's managed something which none of the other top drivers of the era have! (And he might never get one........)

He is part of the joint 'everyone-except-the-podium-finishers' ROTR in Canada '07. But yes, that aside, Kubica is one of the least rejectful drivers out there, which is part of why I like him - he has bucketloads of speed, and makes very few mistakes. He doesn't faff about with the media and come off as an arse like Alonso, Hamilton, and Vettel, but you can tell he's committed, unlike Raikkonen. That is, when you give him a car that's not an absolute dog.

He seemed to have been spared it for his accident which wasn't really his fault I think. He's not mentioned on the first post of the thread! (Anthony Davidson is part of it with 0.06 of an award!)

James1978 wrote:

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:

James1978 wrote:I'm just looking at which current (not new for 2011) drivers have never got an ROTR - there seems to be only Glock, Karthikeyan (did he only avoid one in '05 due to low expectations?), and Petrov which seems surprising considering the repair bills he gave Renault last year!

Kubica also doesn't have one in four and a half seasons (not even a partial one) which is very impressive, he's managed something which none of the other top drivers of the era have! (And he might never get one........)

He is part of the joint 'everyone-except-the-podium-finishers' ROTR in Canada '07. But yes, that aside, Kubica is one of the least rejectful drivers out there, which is part of why I like him - he has bucketloads of speed, and makes very few mistakes. He doesn't faff about with the media and come off as an arse like Alonso, Hamilton, and Vettel, but you can tell he's committed, unlike Raikkonen. That is, when you give him a car that's not an absolute dog.

He seemed to have been spared it for his accident which wasn't really his fault I think. He's not mentioned on the first post of the thread! (Anthony Davidson is part of it with 0.06 of an award!)

http://www.f1rejects.com/centrale/2007/canada/index.html Although not mentioned in the caption in the picture, the text says "apart from Hamilton, Heidfeld, Wurz and Kubica", he's not shown in the grid of photos and they said 18 drivers, which would mean 4 drivers were spared, so it seems pretty clear that Kubica has no RotR to his name.

Leaderboard updated for Malaysian GP. 'Bits flying off Toro Rossos' debuts in joint-42nd place.

Leaderboard updated for Chinese GP. Jenson Button's first RotR in almost three years elevates him from joint-15th to 10th in the standings, giving him the solo title of most rejectful Brit, which he previously shared with Daivd Coulthard.

Haven't got time to look through every review, but one question I had was has any driver/team/other person or thing had RotRs in successive races?

I was just reliving the 1996 season again for my alternative championship, and I remembered there were three races in a row (Canada, France and Britain) where Ferrari would most likely had a hat-trick of them if this site had existed then, as both cars were out within a few laps, including Schumacher on the parade lap at Magny-Cours!

I had a look through the last couple of years, and while I can't see any examples of a driver doubling up, there are a few cases of different members/objects of a team winning the award in consecutive races - such as Badoer/Raikkonen's KERS in 2009 and Sutil/Liuzzi in 2010.

Ralf Schumacher did it but not all himself- he was RotR in Monaco 2007 and then one of 18 drivers to get it in Canada.

A race after Canada it was given to stewards so no doubling there.

I can't recall either driver getting it in the final race of the season and then in the first race of next season.

I had a look at Suzuka 2002 when it was "the whole field bar Ferrari", and thought there must be a common element but no! Schumacher and Barrichello got it jointly for their false dead heat at Indy, there wasn't one awarded at Melbourne '03, and at Malaysia it was just Schumacher!

Lewisteria was awarded ROTR at the 2007 British GP whilst Hamilton himself received a joint-award with Heikki Kovalainen at the next race in Europe although I'm not sure if that counts.

EDIT: Juan Pablo Montoya was awared ROTR at the 2001 Canadian GP and his teammate Schumacher got the award at the next race in Europe (I see a pattern forming here)

EDIT 2: Jordan got the gong at the 2002 San Marino Grand Prix and Takuma Sato picked up the award at the next race in Spain

Found another one:

Ralf Schumacher at the 2004 Bahrain Grand Prix followed by teammate Juan Pablo Montoya at the next race in San Marino

EDIT: Another teammate pairing. Kimi Raikkonen at the 2005 European Grand Prix followed by Montoya who got a joint award with Alonso at the next race in Canada.

EDIT 2: This one's the best out of the lot. Adrian Sutil got ROTR at the 2008 Spanish GP for crashing on the first lap. Teammate Giancarlo Fisichella got it at the next race at Turkey for, you guessed it, crashing on the first lap.

Arguably, Hamilton should have got the award at both China and Brazil 2007 (instead of ITV)!!

James1978 wrote:Arguably, Hamilton should have got the award at both China and Brazil 2007 (instead of ITV)!!

I disagree, Hamilton losing the title in Brazil was entirely down to the bizarre mechanical problem which dropped him to 18th. His running of the road and losing a few places was a bit silly but irrelevant in the grand scheme of things - he needed 5th to win the title, before the problem struck he was running 6th, and one of the cars ahead was Webber who retired later in the race (and he would have passed Kubica and maybe Alonso later anyway) so he was in position despite the error before the problem struck. A silly error, but these things often happen at the start of races, so not RotR worthy in my view.

Leaderboard updated for Turkish GP. Michael Schumacher extends his lead at the top to over a full RotR. With his nearest active challenger (Williams) over 3 full RotRs behind, his position looks secure for the foreseeable future, which is more than can be said for his race seat...

tc3j3r wrote:Leaderboard updated for Turkish GP. Michael Schumacher extends his lead at the top to over a full RotR. With his nearest active challenger (Williams) over 3 full RotRs behind, his position looks secure for the foreseeable future, which is more than can be said for his race seat...

Mercedes is hardly going to drop Schumacher, but I think if Williams doesn't get its act together soon they may well take Michael's lead at the RoTR leaderboard before the end of the year...

What's really scary is that only one active driver (Barrichello) is within FOUR RotR's of Schumi!! He has become such as easy target these days though.

James1978 wrote:What's really scary is that only one active driver (Barrichello) is within FOUR RotR's of Schumi!! He has become such as easy target these days though.

I find annoying that, not happy with having broken most of the records in the book, he came back and snatched the RoTR record too!

speaking of the great one has everyone's favourite german unrejectified himself in his comeback (if u discount the previous part of his career)

WeirdKerr wrote:speaking of the great one has everyone's favourite german unrejectified himself in his comeback (if u discount the previous part of his career)

Yes, he had three 4ths last year in Spain, Turkey and Korea. Not even close to being unrejectified for 2011 though.

Leaderboard updated for Spanish GP. Mark Webber's strategy debuts in joint-42nd place.

Leaderboard updated for Monaco GP> Lewis Hamilton leaps from 23rd to 14th, just ahead of his nemesis Fernando Alonso...

Is it completely anal of me that it bothers me that:

The "BMW-Sauber pit crew" that got the award in 2007 Spanish GP and the "Sauber pit crew" for British GP 2010 are not counted as the same thing?

"Bits falling off cars" from Hungary 2009 and "Bits falling off Toro Rossos" from Malaysia 2011 are also not counted as the same thing?

And that the award for Spain 2011 going to "Mark Webber's strategy" has not resulted in anything extra going against the score for Webber himself?

James1978 wrote:Is it completely anal of me that it bothers me that:

The "BMW-Sauber pit crew" that got the award in 2007 Spanish GP and the "Sauber pit crew" for British GP 2010 are not counted as the same thing?

"Bits falling off cars" from Hungary 2009 and "Bits falling off Toro Rossos" from Malaysia 2011 are also not counted as the same thing?

And that the award for Spain 2011 going to "Mark Webber's strategy" has not resulted in anything extra going against the score for Webber himself?

Well the first one is certainly debatable - depends whether you count last year's Sauber as BMW Sauber or not. I think the other two are more clear - 'Torro Rossos' is not the same thing as 'cars', cars encompasses Toro Rossos but you wouldn't, for example, say that a RotR to BMW Sauber is the same as a RotR to the BMW pit crew, at least I wouldn't. Any way the cars at fault in Hungary 09 were a Brawn and a Renault. Mark Webber is not the same thing as his strategy so an award to his strategy is not an award to Webber himself. That's the way I see it anyway...

I would say that the BMW Sauber and Sauber pitcrews could probably be merged, as it's probably most of the same staff.

I agree with your other points.

Ed24 wrote:I would say that the BMW Sauber and Sauber pitcrews could probably be merged, as it's probably most of the same staff.

I agree with your other points.

Also, let's not forget that the team was officially still BMW Sauber, so, I think they could be merged as well.

Leaderboard updated for Canadian GP. The Stumbling Canadian GP Marshall debuts in joint 42nd place.

Leaderboard updated for European GP. Hermann Tilke debuts in joint 42nd place.

Leaderboard updated for British GP. Team Lotus becomes the first of the 2010 new teams to debut, in joint-42nd place.