roblomas52 wrote: My unpopular opinion is i think there should be a new catagorie in the btcc for more dtm style cars with more aero and 300hp and the ngtc cars get bigger engines(I've seen the ngtc engines in Rob Austin's Audi and the engine looked lost in the engine bay) e.g 2.9 L holeshot racing H-1 v8 450hp
And unpopular it shall remain! The DTM cars may be cool but in recent years they have made pre Pirelli F1 look like overtake fests in comparison. You would quite literally rip the heart out of the BTCC. Plus you would kill off FWD, nearly all British built (if not British owned!) cars are FWD, only France loves FWD more!
East Londoner wrote:(remember those pitiful Peugeots and Alfas during the 2001 season?)
Dude! Harsh! We tried our best, we just didn't have enough money to develop the cars as much as Triple Eight.
Whoops, I forgot you worked for them in 2001.
And to be fair, wasn't there a race that season that Steve Soper nearly won before retiring right at the end?
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
East Londoner wrote:(remember those pitiful Peugeots and Alfas during the 2001 season?)
Dude! Harsh! We tried our best, we just didn't have enough money to develop the cars as much as Triple Eight.
Whoops, I forgot you worked for them in 2001.
And to be fair, wasn't there a race that season that Steve Soper nearly won before retiring right at the end?
One of the races at Thruxton, I believe. I was a design engineer and only did 2 races as a race engineer.
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Salamander wrote:He dropped like a stone at Croft because he didn't have the talent to hold on to it. There is no reason why he could not have finished 2nd at the least that race other than his own lack of talent, given how Plato carved through the pack.
For me, that moment at Brands sums up Andy Neate perfectly. He's slow and a danger to everyone else on the track. And now that his team doesn't look like it's gonna go anywhere, I say good riddance to him. There are far better pay drivers available. Hell, even Liam Griffin.
What was that about saying Good Riddance to Neate? Better get out those knives again Mr Salamander
Whilst working my way through the 30 races of the 2012 BTCC season, I have come to the conclusion that Toby Moody is better than David Addison as lead BTCC commentator. He has the enthusiasm needed for the sort of races that the BTCC habitually throws up.
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
East Londoner wrote:Whilst working my way through the 30 races of the 2012 BTCC season, I have come to the conclusion that Toby Moody is better than David Addison as lead BTCC commentator. He has the enthusiasm needed for the sort of races that the BTCC habitually throws up.
Yep, Charlie Cox showed that if you can commentate on BTCC, you can commentate on bikes. It clearly works the other way round too.
go_Rubens wrote:NASCAR isn't half bad. It just gets lost in the shuffle with the lack of variety in it.
NASCAR used to be pretty good, but lately the races are all boring as hell. You usually know who's going to win once all the final pitstops are done. Easily the least exciting out of all the motorsports I watch right now.
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go_Rubens wrote:NASCAR isn't half bad. It just gets lost in the shuffle with the lack of variety in it.
NASCAR used to be pretty good, but lately the races are all boring as hell. You usually know who's going to win once all the final pitstops are done. Easily the least exciting out of all the motorsports I watch right now.
That's because the cars for the contenders are usually so close (where the car in 15th is the fastest by 0.03 of second from the draft, but is 12 seconds back) or that one driver has such a better car (Kyle Busch in Nationwide races) in a race that the driver in second can't make headway.
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FMecha wrote:Exactly. Look at the early 90s, where the WSC guys tried to mix Group C and F1 by forcing everyone to use F1-esque engines. Didn't work.
However, putting F1 engines in LMPs from 2014 on will work perfectly. Of course, F1 engines aren't mandatory but rather a choice, which is what they should have also done in the early 90's. Still I liked that formula, as it produced the most spectacular sportscars of all time, like the Jaguar XJR-14 or Peugeot 905.
FMecha wrote:Please keep sportscar racing stuff away from touring car racing. They should be kept as distant as possible. Putting GTE/GT3 regulations would only make touring car racing closer to sports car racing which is IMO, very bad.
The new WTCC regulations are pretty close to my vision of touring car racing. Now we just need a variety of engines and endurance races. Besides, why is it a bad thing to use some cues from GT racing in touring car racing?
The Chase is one of most lunatics and unprofessional ideas of all times in motorsport, creating artificial championships. This system is killing NASCAR.
FMecha wrote:Exactly. Look at the early 90s, where the WSC guys tried to mix Group C and F1 by forcing everyone to use F1-esque engines. Didn't work.
However, putting F1 engines in LMPs from 2014 on will work perfectly. Of course, F1 engines aren't mandatory but rather a choice, which is what they should have also done in the early 90's. Still I liked that formula, as it produced the most spectacular sportscars of all time, like the Jaguar XJR-14 or Peugeot 905.
And that distinction - that the rules the ACO have written will allow F1 engines at Le Mans, but not necessarily the other way around - is rather important, since it is leading some manufacturers to look from F1 to Le Mans instead (Renault, for example, are looking at adapting their engines for Le Mans now that the lifespans for engines in F1 are being pushed to nearly 5,000km, which is comparable to most sportscar engines these days, and Ferrari have given a few hints that they are looking in the same direction too). Being designed for integration with energy recovery systems is another added bonus given the pressure the ACO is putting the manufacturers under, even though it would probably take a fairly sizeable amount of redesign work for the engines in F1 to be competitive at Le Mans.
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Dj_bereta wrote:The Chase is one of most lunatics and unprofessional ideas of all times in motorsport, creating artificial championships. This system is killing NASCAR.
I'm pretty certain that is the exact opposite of unpopular. It's a horrible gimmick and horribly devalues the first 26 races and horribly overvalues the last 10.
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Dj_bereta wrote:The Chase is one of most lunatics and unprofessional ideas of all times in motorsport, creating artificial championships. This system is killing NASCAR.
I am going to be unpopular and say it has a use in NASCAR. When you see guys like Jimmie Johnson seemingly run away with the championship in the first 26 races (he had a 51 point lead at one point, more than a race win), the Chase format closes it all back up. However, everyone should be able to fight for the championship instead of the top 12, because then the other 31 aren't bathplugged for the rest of the year in terms of points. So Juan Pablo could win the title out of nowhere
If the Chase should be kept, the Sprint Cup should run a road course or 2. All ovals is not enough variety, so the best overall on both ovals and road courses win instead of the best guy on ovals.
Dj_bereta wrote:The Chase is one of most lunatics and unprofessional ideas of all times in motorsport, creating artificial championships. This system is killing NASCAR.
I am going to be unpopular and say it has a use in NASCAR. When you see guys like Jimmie Johnson seemingly run away with the championship in the first 26 races (he had a 51 point lead at one point, more than a race win), the Chase format closes it all back up. However, everyone should be able to fight for the championship instead of the top 12, because then the other 31 aren't bathplugged for the rest of the year in terms of points. So Juan Pablo could win the title out of nowhere
That's even worse! You might as well not even have the first 26 races in that case!
Sebastian Vettel wrote:If I was good at losing, I wouldn't be in Formula 1
nobody in britain really gives a damn about NASCAR
A) How the hell does that follow on from what I just said? B) I give a damn about NASCAR. And am in Britain. So it looks like you're wrong.
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Because it's just Cars going round in circles
Yes, because that's not the argument used by ignorant people everywhere to derride any form of motor racing, not just NASCAR.
I wouldn't be saying that if NASCAR had more Road Courses like Indycar did. Why is that not the case?[/quote] Tue percentage of the British population that give a damn about NASCAR is approximately 0.045% which is positively sod all
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Mexicola wrote: I'd rather listen to a dog lick its balls. Each to their own, I guess.
Does listening to a dog licking its balls get you excited?
That's between me and my internet service provider.
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roblomas52 wrote:Tue percentage of the British population that give a damn about NASCAR is approximately 0.045% which is positively sod all
Source?
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roblomas52 wrote:True percentage of the British population that give a damn about NASCAR is approximately 0.045% which is positively sod all
You can't assume things like that. That's a daft thing to do.
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
roblomas52 wrote:The percentage of the British population that give a damn about NASCAR is approximately 0.045% which is positively sod all.
I don't know how you worked that out but that equates to about 28,000 people.
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roblomas52 wrote:True percentage of the British population that give a damn about NASCAR is approximately 0.045% which is positively sod all
You can't assume things like that. That's a daft thing to do.
It's roblomas, what else do you expect?
Anyway, that's still about 27,000 people in the UK...which is probably more support than Yeovil Town have! And for a sport that's not even got any races in the UK, that's pretty good going. I don't follow NASCAR myself, but I'm going to defend it anyway. If I wanted to spend time on the internet just to express hatred for things I'd go and join a Nickelback forum.
Mitch Hedberg wrote:I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Man, you really like Tide...
But then again, with this Chase format, why do the others outside of the Chase bother to show up?
