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Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 07:50
by Cynon
tommykl wrote:Cynon wrote:sswishbone wrote:Great drive from Vettel to make this strategy work, he had some help from Grosjean's awesome driving but can't take that away from him.
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Yeah. Great drive from Vettel, hope he keeps it up so he can take Schumacher's name out of the record books. He just took him out of the Most Career Points (a stupid stat anyway) total, so that's 1 down and many more to go!!
Only it was Alonso who took that record, not Vettel
Either way, it's not Schumacher who has the record, and Vettel will inevitably poach it from Alonso unless he gets bored of kicking everyone's ass in F1.
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 07:52
by mario
tommykl wrote:Cynon wrote:sswishbone wrote:Great drive from Vettel to make this strategy work, he had some help from Grosjean's awesome driving but can't take that away from him.
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Yeah. Great drive from Vettel, hope he keeps it up so he can take Schumacher's name out of the record books. He just took him out of the Most Career Points (a stupid stat anyway) total, so that's 1 down and many more to go!!
Only it was Alonso who took that record, not Vettel
I have to agree that it is a pretty pointless statistic - the combination of the inflation of the value of the points finishes, plus the increase in the length of the calendar, means that the number of points that a driver can score these days is vastly higher. Schumacher's 144 points in 17 races in 2002 would have been worth 380 points under the modern points system, which is close to Vettel's score of 392 in 19 races in 2011.
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 08:09
by good_Ralf
Even if strategy played a major part in this race, if Webber can't win even from pole, then he won't win any of his last 4 races. Sorry about not being encouraging, but this is likely to happen.
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 08:20
by solarcold
good_Ralf wrote:Even if strategy played a major part in this race, if Webber can't win even from pole, then he won't win any of his last 4 races. Sorry about not being encouraging, but this is likely to happen.
We all know that deep inside... But even deeper inside - we keep hoping.
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 08:31
by apple2009
Our beloved Glass of Milk finished for the first time since Germany.
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 08:32
by Alextrax52
apple2009 wrote:Our beloved Glass of Milk finished for the first time since Germany.
And in a solid 11th place too
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 09:00
by eytl
As much as I am disappointed with the result being a one-eyed Webber supporter (and was hopeful for someone to say the words "Multi 21" in the last two laps), I think it's a bit rich for Mark to say afterwards that he could have made a two-stopper work when it's well-known that he's harder on the tyres than Vettel (and his lower downforce set-up would have compounded the wear on the tyres). And I think it's a good call from those on the forum who say that Red Bull splitting the strategy really put Grosjean in no-man's land. And if they were going to split the strategy, it was pretty obvious who to put on the two-stop and who to put on the three-stop.
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 09:49
by Jocke1
Hulkenberg
Gutierrez
fine race for Sauber
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 09:51
by kevinbotz
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 11:11
by FullMetalJack
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 11:16
by Jocke1
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 12:01
by Ferrim
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 12:20
by good_Ralf
"The car stops me, the car stops" - Alonso after his car failed in Singapore 2008.
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 15:51
by James1978
I was starting to allow myself to think of a maiden win for Grosjean there sadly - it's a shame for Lotus that Grosjean can't qualify Kimi's car - it was always going to be 2 against 1 with Kimi caught up in the pack because of poor qualifying again. Also Ricciardo did a great job for his future team by holding up the likes of Alonso so nobody else could interfere wtih Red Bull.
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 16:05
by Visconti
I reckon Van der Garde can be pleased with himself, a heroic drive not that dissimilar to how Senna drove in Japan 23 years ago
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 16:07
by good_Ralf
Visconti wrote:I reckon Van der Garde can be pleased with himself, a heroic drive not that dissimilar to how Senna drove in Japan 23 years ago
Except he was driving a green and yellow car, not a dark orange and white vehicle.
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 16:08
by S951
gut getting first points bet he and team are happy
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 23:11
by lgaquino
I'm seriously hoping Sauber gets Force India by the end of the year.
Shame they couldn't solve their problems earlier, could've been another exceptional season!
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 23:21
by watka
S951 wrote:gut getting first points bet he and team are happy
Yes, but they were probably happier when Kobayashi got a podium at the same race last year.
Just saying.
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 14 Oct 2013, 01:21
by Cynon
watka wrote:S951 wrote:gut getting first points bet he and team are happy
Yes, but they were probably happier when Kobayashi got a podium at the same race last year.
The one time Kobash didn't squander his podium chances. It was definitely one of the more moving podium celebrations that I can think of ... for anything, really.
Re: 2013 "There's no Kobayashi" Japan Grand Prix
Posted: 14 Oct 2013, 05:08
by FMecha
good_Ralf wrote:Visconti wrote:I reckon Van der Garde can be pleased with himself, a heroic drive not that dissimilar to how Senna drove in Japan 23 years ago
Except he was driving a green and yellow car, not a
red and white vehicle.
Fixed, in my eyes, at least.