The HRT thread

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 17 Dec 2011, 23:40

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RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 18 Dec 2011, 00:30

YOU POSTED JOE SAWARD'S SITE SO YOU SHOULD BE PERMABANNED FROM THE FORUM FOR EVAR!!1!!1!!1!!!1!!1oneoneexclamationpoint
[/Captain Hammer]

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 18 Dec 2011, 01:00

Okay, Ive deleted link. But why?

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 18 Dec 2011, 01:05

Sorry, you can put the link back as that was a misunderstanding, I was only trying to act like Captain Hammer.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 18 Dec 2011, 01:08

eurobrun wrote: I was only trying to act like Captain Hammer.

please don't go provoke the guy

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 18 Dec 2011, 01:43

This wrote:
eurobrun wrote: I was only trying to act like Captain Hammer.

please don't go provoke the guy

You don't need to provoke him, he just see's the red mist! Especially if Peter mentions Senna's qualifying performances against Petrov...

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 18 Dec 2011, 13:20

Okay, im just going to point out the key points IMO from that, it is fairly long.

Carlos Nunes (the latest addition) has been in F1 since 1987, so has plenty of experience, and was technical director of Addax GP2 team. He hints that Addax and HRT would merge and obviously be 1. HRT dont have the cash, Addax want to be in F1, but are too small with a very small factory for F1 standards.

Also, he thinks that the team want to relocate to Valenica is for financial reasons. The local Valencia government are handing big financial grants for the city's large space to be use up. The reason for lots of space as they held the 2008 America's cup, which all the teams involved used all the space, but are obviously nor their any more casuing vacant/empty land.

Ironically Addax were once founded by Adrian Campos, and it's 2011 drivers may both enter F1 next season. Charles Pic confirmed at Virgin, Giedo Van De Garde possibly with HRT and his major backing too.

Eryx · Post by **Eryx** » 18 Dec 2011, 15:04

Who will get this second seat?

Ive herd allot more about other teams....

Sutil is apparently interested in replacing massa
Buemi maybe interested in ousting Mr.Webber.
Jaime is interested in getting the second seat for HRT. . .making an all Spanish line up.
Also Vitaly maybe (this is a rumor so i dont know) he may out Timo.

Just as a little heads up.

dnhrudi · Post by **dnhrudi** » 18 Dec 2011, 15:30

Will be interesting to see just how Iberia-centric they plan to become. If the owners of the team are directing key staff selection based on nationality, rather than being the best for the job, (and there are some indicators that this is the case) might add a new dimension to the whole thing. Anyone remember the Copersucar team?

cbbcisace · Post by **cbbcisace** » 18 Dec 2011, 17:39

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate ... 1324229228

Varlion - new clothing sponsors for engineers/mechanics/drivers.

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 18 Dec 2011, 19:39

Does it mean that HRT will finally have their merchandise?

cbbcisace · Post by **cbbcisace** » 18 Dec 2011, 19:45

Looks like it + they will have a shop in Madrid.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 18 Dec 2011, 19:50

Pointrox wrote:Does it mean that HRT will finally have their merchandise?

Their supplier sounds like a Ralph Lauren/Tommy Hilfiger/Lacoste type establishment. Expect the team shirts to cost more than the entire design budget for the F112.

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 18 Dec 2011, 23:05

Oh, nice ^^, I'm a Lacoste and suit guy!

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 18 Dec 2011, 23:38

Reject merchandise FTW

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 19 Dec 2011, 01:47

Eryx wrote:Who will get this second seat?

Ive herd allot more about other teams....

Sutil is apparently interested in replacing massa
Buemi maybe interested in ousting Mr.Webber.
Jaime is interested in getting the second seat for HRT. . .making an all Spanish line up.
Also Vitaly maybe (this is a rumor so i dont know) he may out Timo.

Just as a little heads up.

Where are you getting these from?

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 19 Dec 2011, 12:18

dnhrudi wrote:Will be interesting to see just how Iberia-centric they plan to become. If the owners of the team are directing key staff selection based on nationality, rather than being the best for the job, (and there are some indicators that this is the case) might add a new dimension to the whole thing. Anyone remember the Copersucar team?

I love nationality based efforts. They tend to underachieve massively!

Anyone remembers the French teams?

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 19 Dec 2011, 12:59

DanielPT wrote:
dnhrudi wrote:Will be interesting to see just how Iberia-centric they plan to become. If the owners of the team are directing key staff selection based on nationality, rather than being the best for the job, (and there are some indicators that this is the case) might add a new dimension to the whole thing. Anyone remember the Copersucar team?

I love nationality based efforts. They tend to underachieve massively!
Anyone remembers the French teams?

Prost lasted 5 years yeah? Super Aguri 2 and a bit?

Probably not the best idea for HRT to turn all-Éspana.

Eryx · Post by **Eryx** » 19 Dec 2011, 13:06

to be honest...the more i think about this, the more Pedro seems to fit the role perfectly, HRT are not in the running for any points or beating Midfield teams. They need a tester, Who better im sure Pedro will team testing with speed. and it could work.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 19 Dec 2011, 13:41

Eryx wrote:to be honest...the more i think about this, the more Pedro seems to fit the role perfectly, HRT are not in the running for any points or beating Midfield teams. They need a tester, Who better im sure Pedro will team testing with speed. and it could work.

Not only a tester, they need someone who understands how a F1 team works in structural terms.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 19 Dec 2011, 15:13

Aerond wrote:
Eryx wrote:to be honest...the more i think about this, the more Pedro seems to fit the role perfectly, HRT are not in the running for any points or beating Midfield teams. They need a tester, Who better im sure Pedro will team testing with speed. and it could work.

Not only a tester, they need someone who understands how a F1 team works in structural terms.

This argument in favour of De la Rosa is ever more sound given more and more reports that say Thesan wants to make HRT an All-Spanish team and effort. This is a ruthless business and sport, so if HRT wants to make it, they will need to teach new personnel about the way of F1. I cannot think of a better man than De la Rosa to do this. If HRT allies a young gun like The Saurus then HRT might recover from this almost suicidal move (I reckon that, given the cashless year and general lack of resources altogether a relocation might not be the best move).

Eryx · Post by **Eryx** » 19 Dec 2011, 16:59

Hmmmm Jaime maybe ousting Webber tho (MAYBE) but...we could see Sebastian Buemi taking the spot...HRT did say that they were in talks with several drivers....Most of them will be...Barrichello (maybe) , Jaime, Buemi, Petrov , possibly Sutil if he doesnt go to Williams.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 19 Dec 2011, 22:56

Eryx wrote:Hmmmm Jaime maybe ousting Webber tho (MAYBE)

"Jaime? Yeah, it's me, Helmuth. Now listen, do you remember I told you that you were out of STR? You see, we wanted you to replace Mark Webber at RBR, but we just wanted to joke with that and give you a damn good fright before telling you the real news, he he. I know you might be a bit pissed about it, but you see, this way of doing things is cool and people loves this..."

dnhrudi · Post by **dnhrudi** » 20 Dec 2011, 00:24

So what is Luis Perez Salas pedigree in team management? I cant say I know what he has been up to since his driving career ended. When I heard this my first thought was they should hire Pierluigi Martini for the team managers job as a kind of post modern ironic statement, and if they hired Paolo Barilla the teams food would be damn good too....

dnhrudi · Post by **dnhrudi** » 20 Dec 2011, 00:31

Just thought, a reject driver founder, a reject driver team manager.... the fates are stacking up!

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 21 Dec 2011, 07:57

dnhrudi wrote:Just thought, a reject driver founder, a reject driver team manager.... the fates are stacking up!

At least he has a more better pedigree than Christian Horner, who regulary failed to qualify for F3000 races in the mid 90's!!!

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 21 Dec 2011, 11:12

David AGS wrote:
dnhrudi wrote:Just thought, a reject driver founder, a reject driver team manager.... the fates are stacking up!

At least he has a more better pedigree than Christian Horner, who regulary failed to qualify for F3000 races in the mid 90's!!!

So you are saying that if HRT signs Newey they will invariably be champions?

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 21 Dec 2011, 20:27

In F1 expect the un-expected!!!!!

S951 · Post by **S951** » 22 Dec 2011, 15:47

sent scarbs a tweet in regards to the tf110 and his opinion on it.

Anyway how many bodies down are hrt at the moment taking into account dr kolles has been sent home?

cbbcisace · Post by **cbbcisace** » 22 Dec 2011, 23:38

S951 wrote:sent scarbs a tweet in regards to the tf110 and his opinion on it.

Anyway how many bodies down are hrt at the moment taking into account dr kolles has been sent home?

Not sure... people who wanted to relocate to spain for the race team have done.

HRT are splitting it down:-

Race Teams/Operations/Marketing/Admin in Spain

Design/Aero Office in Hofer, Germany:-
Aero Office is being led by Stephane Chosse
Design Office is being led by Jean Claude Martens
With Toni Cuquerella being the go to man for both.

This is how HRT want it to work, the Design/Aero offices are HRT property not Kolles', ties have been completely broken with him.

p.s HRT are designing a new website www.hrtf1team.com

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 23 Dec 2011, 01:51

cbbcisace wrote:p.s HRT are designing a new website http://www.hrtf1team.com

That's like the 3rd or 4th time they've changed (or are to change) the website! Don't they have better things to do? :roll:

eichy · Post by **eichy** » 23 Dec 2011, 02:19

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
cbbcisace wrote:p.s HRT are designing a new website http://www.hrtf1team.com

That's like the 3rd or 4th time they've changed (or are to change) the website! Don't they have better things to do?

Like trying to design a somewhat competitive car? Nope, that's too hard... :lol:

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 23 Dec 2011, 02:26

Now everyone knows that Virgin in 2011 sucked big time and barely improved at all on 2010. Now part of that can be attributed to the all-CFD design philosophy they had at the time. However I also believe the team were severely compromised right when the car was designed because they were moving factories from Bicester to Banbury, and the team was in the process of being re-organised. It clearly hurt them over the year. That's why I'm expecting a big improvement for 2012.

I fully expect HRT to go through this sort of trouble during 2012, because they are clearly having a major reshuffle and this will directly impact on the quality of next year's car. Perez-Sala has already warned about taking a step back to take two forwards, but I think we could see HRT stay largely static compared to last year, and may struggle to qualify at the start of the year. Any improvement from this re-organisation will only be realised in 2013. I think the main challenge for HRT in 2012 is to simply remain afloat and qualify and finish as many races as possible. I highly doubt they will challenge Marussia to the extent they have in 2011, and that's not because I support my local team, but because it's exactly what Virgin suffered last year.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 23 Dec 2011, 04:00

AndreaModa wrote:Now everyone knows that Virgin in 2011 sucked big time and barely improved at all on 2010. Now part of that can be attributed to the all-CFD design philosophy they had at the time. However I also believe the team were severely compromised right when the car was designed because they were moving factories from Bicester to Banbury, and the team was in the process of being re-organised. It clearly hurt them over the year. That's why I'm expecting a big improvement for 2012.

I fully expect HRT to go through this sort of trouble during 2012, because they are clearly having a major reshuffle and this will directly impact on the quality of next year's car. Perez-Sala has already warned about taking a step back to take two forwards, but I think we could see HRT stay largely static compared to last year, and may struggle to qualify at the start of the year. Any improvement from this re-organisation will only be realised in 2013. I think the main challenge for HRT in 2012 is to simply remain afloat and qualify and finish as many races as possible. I highly doubt they will challenge Marussia to the extent they have in 2011, and that's not because I support my local team, but because it's exactly what Virgin suffered last year.

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Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 23 Dec 2011, 04:35

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dnhrudi · Post by **dnhrudi** » 24 Dec 2011, 03:16

David AGS wrote:
dnhrudi wrote:Just thought, a reject driver founder, a reject driver team manager.... the fates are stacking up!

At least he has a more better pedigree than Christian Horner, who regulary failed to qualify for F3000 races in the mid 90's!!!

Driving not the issue. Horner spent years running a successful lower formula team (Carlin) before moving into the RB role, after all Grand Prix drivers don't exactly have a good rep in Grand prix team management

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 24 Dec 2011, 20:10

dnhrudi wrote:
David AGS wrote:
dnhrudi wrote:Just thought, a reject driver founder, a reject driver team manager.... the fates are stacking up!

At least he has a more better pedigree than Christian Horner, who regulary failed to qualify for F3000 races in the mid 90's!!!

Driving not the issue. Horner spent years running a successful lower formula team (Carlin) before moving into the RB role, after all Grand Prix drivers don't exactly have a good rep in Grand prix team management

You mean Arden, not Carlin.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 25 Dec 2011, 06:38

dnhrudi wrote:
David AGS wrote:
dnhrudi wrote:Just thought, a reject driver founder, a reject driver team manager.... the fates are stacking up!

At least he has a more better pedigree than Christian Horner, who regulary failed to qualify for F3000 races in the mid 90's!!!

Driving not the issue. Horner spent years running a successful lower formula team (Carlin) before moving into the RB role, after all Grand Prix drivers don't exactly have a good rep in Grand prix team management

Alain Prost being the perfect example...

solarcold · Post by **solarcold** » 25 Dec 2011, 07:30

HRT takes 10th in constructors cup in 2012. You heard it here first.
(I know that's nearly impossible but if this happens I will become a waaaay cool guy)

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 25 Dec 2011, 08:10

solarcold wrote:HRT takes 10th in constructors cup in 2012. You heard it here first.
(I know that's nearly impossible but if this happens I will become a waaaay cool guy)

Well, OTHAEBD (acronym because Off Throttle Hot Air Exhaust Blown Diffusers is quite a mouthful) being banned, will only draw HRT and Virgin closer to Lotus. Lotus was able to be so close to the midfielders this year thanks to their Renault engone getting them the best resluts from the blown diffuser. hey were a few tenths away, and considering that they, unlike those ahead of them, don't have KERS, and KERS is worth several tenths of a seocnd per lap, you can see that the OTHAEBD really did close up the gap quite a lot.