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Posted: **26 May 2011, 18:04**

Ferrim wrote:Without checking: 2 points in 1980?

Correct: those two points came courtesy of 5th place in the 4th round at Long Beach, mainly through attrition (there were ten classified finishers).

Posted: **26 May 2011, 18:07**

Phoenix wrote:
DonTirri wrote:
Phoenix wrote:And...what World Champion went the other way round (from hero to zero)?

Alberto Ascari. Champion 53 retired on all races 54

Correct.

Not completely. Ascari still took the fastest lap in Italy and was one of the seven to take it in Great Britain, so technically, he scored 1.14 points in 1954.

Posted: **26 May 2011, 22:23**

The .14 of a point was never actually awarded, but Ascari officially scored 1 point in 1954.

JV scored no points, 2 years after becoming Champion I think....

Posted: **28 May 2011, 09:40**

eagleash wrote:JV scored no points, 2 years after becoming Champion I think....

Exactly: he had 0 points with the BAR(/Reynard chassis technically...)-Supertec (/Renault rebadge) in 1999.

Posted: **28 May 2011, 22:53**

Hawthorn and Prost both went from world champion to no points in any racing series in 12 months flat, though calling either of those transitions "hero to zero" is a bit cruel; not only had both of them retired, but Hawthorn was dead by the time the following season had started.

Posted: **29 May 2011, 00:53**

Alianora La Canta wrote:Hawthorn and Prost both went from world champion to no points in any racing series in 12 months flat, though calling either of those transitions "hero to zero" is a bit cruel; not only had both of them retired, but Hawthorn was dead by the time the following season had started.

I'd kept away from that one...

.........same applies to Rindt;.. & Stewart also retired as Champ.....

Posted: **29 May 2011, 03:56**

OK this might be an easy question, but I'll throw it out there nevertheless. Can you name the driver who managed to achieve the longest recorded spin ever? & in which race did that driver achieve this magnificent feat?

Posted: **29 May 2011, 06:02**

Stephane Sarrazin in Interlagos 1999? Well, it was a crash but his car spun about six times around after it.

Posted: **29 May 2011, 09:41**

Bleu wrote:Stephane Sarrazin in Interlagos 1999? Well, it was a crash but his car spun about six times around after it.

Nice try but unfortunately not. Just to clarify, I'm looking for the longest single spin (both in terms of distance & time).

Posted: **29 May 2011, 10:00**

Could it be Liuzzi at the Nürbürgring in 2007? IIRC, he never actually hit the wall...

Posted: **29 May 2011, 10:20**

tommykl wrote:Could it be Liuzzi at the Nürbürgring in 2007? IIRC, he never actually hit the wall...

Not him either, i'm afraid.

Posted: **29 May 2011, 10:45**

ibsey wrote:Can you name the driver who managed to achieve the longest recorded spin ever? & in which race did that driver achieve this magnificent feat?

Liuzzi did at least 3 360° spins before he lightly hit a tractor with the back of his car in the gravel trap at Nürb 2007.

Posted: **29 May 2011, 10:54**

Not likely to be correct, but Kubica's spin off the track, 2008 British Grand Prix.

Posted: **29 May 2011, 10:56**

The one that just comes to the top of my head is Gerhard Berger in practice/qualifying for the 1988 German Prix. It's on the year review video where Stirling Moss says "The car was virtually undamaged, but it must have scared the hell out of him"!!!

Posted: **29 May 2011, 11:07**

redbulljack14 wrote:Not likely to be correct, but Kubica's spin off the track, 2008 British Grand Prix.

Not Luizzi @ Nurburgring 2007.

Not Kubica in 2008 British GP.

Not Gerhard Berger in the 1988 German Prix.

Off to watch the GP now, will check back after the race

Posted: **29 May 2011, 15:22**

ibsey wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:Not likely to be correct, but Kubica's spin off the track, 2008 British Grand Prix.

Not Luizzi @ Nurburgring 2007.

Not Kubica in 2008 British GP.

Not Gerhard Berger in the 1988 German Prix.

Off to watch the GP now, will check back after the race

Sarrazin was my first guess, but clearly not then. Was it Massa at a soaking Silverstone the other year?

Posted: **29 May 2011, 15:49**

Alesi in the German GP in 2000???

Posted: **29 May 2011, 15:55**

WeirdKerr wrote:Alesi in the German GP in 2000???

You've got Alesi correct, but its in a different race.

Posted: **31 May 2011, 01:59**

Here's one. How many drivers won their only race at Monaco and whom are they? Plus what year did they win?

Posted: **31 May 2011, 03:08**

Peter wrote:Here's one. How many drivers won their only race at Monaco and whom are they? Plus what year did they win?

I'm guessing W. Williams who won the 1st ever Monaco GP was one driver?

BTW to full answer my last question, RE; the driver who managed to achieve the longest recorded spin ever? & in which race did that driver achieve this magnificent feat? (since it appears everyone has given up).

Alesi at France 1992 was the answer I was looking for. At one point in the race, Alesi stayed out on slicks in torrential rain (only driver to do so), & managed to spin from outside the Estoril turn (Turn 3) all the way to the inside concrete wall some distance away.

Perhaps a close second is JV spin during the wet Quali for the 1998 Austrian GP.

Posted: **31 May 2011, 03:12**

Also Trulli 2004!

Posted: **31 May 2011, 11:13**

ibsey wrote:
Peter wrote:Here's one. How many drivers won their only race at Monaco and whom are they? Plus what year did they win?

I'm guessing W. Williams who won the 1st ever Monaco GP was one driver?

I don't think so - William Grover-Williams won several races in the pre-F1 era, including the Belgian GP when it was part of the European Championship.

Panis in 1996 is another driver whose only win was at Monaco, as well as Guy Moll in 1934, and Jean-Pierre Beltoise in 1972.

Posted: **31 May 2011, 12:12**

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
ibsey wrote:
Peter wrote:Here's one. How many drivers won their only race at Monaco and whom are they? Plus what year did they win?

I'm guessing W. Williams who won the 1st ever Monaco GP was one driver?

I don't think so - William Grover-Williams won several races in the pre-F1 era, including the Belgian GP when it was part of the European Championship.

Panis in 1996 is another driver whose only win was at Monaco, as well as Guy Moll in 1934, and Jean-Pierre Beltoise in 1972.

Whoops. I misunderstood the question to mean drivers whom visted Monaco once & won on that only visit. (in other words unbeaten at Monaco. :oops:

Posted: **31 May 2011, 21:33**

Didn't Fisichella have a pretty good spin in Silverstone while driving for Jordan?

Posted: **04 Jun 2011, 04:46**

Who was the first Japanese driver to enter a world championship race?

Posted: **04 Jun 2011, 07:33**

Hiroshi Fushida

Posted: **04 Jun 2011, 07:44**

Yep. I saw loads of people only thought of the handful of drivers in the two Fuji races, but never heard of Fushida, who entered two races in 1975 in the Maki.

Well done!

Posted: **04 Jun 2011, 09:04**

tommykl wrote:Yep. I saw loads of people only thought of the handful of drivers in the two Fuji races, but never heard of Fushida, who entered two races in 1975 in the Maki.

Well done!

And Takahara the first formula 1 race at the ITRO in 74

Posted: **06 Jun 2011, 11:41**

Here's one.

During the 1985 European Grand Prix John Watson had a moment where he realised that his time as a Grand Prix driver was effectively over. What was that moment?

Posted: **06 Jun 2011, 15:55**

Wizzie wrote:During the 1985 European Grand Prix John Watson had a moment where he realised that his time as a Grand Prix driver was effectively over. What was that moment?

A McLaren mechanic held out the pit board that said "NIKI WANTS HIS CAR BACK"...?

Let's see - two more races in the season, on in South Africa (could have caused a few troubles), one in Australia, and in 1986, Keke Rosberg drove the second McLaren. Might that have been the weekend that Keke annouced he'd signed for McLaren? Seems a bit late in the season to do so...

Posted: **06 Jun 2011, 16:03**

Wizzie wrote:Here's one.

During the 1985 European Grand Prix John Watson had a moment where he realised that his time as a Grand Prix driver was effectively over. What was that moment?

Was it when he was lapped by his team-mate, and simultaneously used by said team-mate to pass de Angelis (I think)?

Posted: **06 Jun 2011, 16:04**

Wizzie wrote:Here's one.

During the 1985 European Grand Prix John Watson had a moment where he realised that his time as a Grand Prix driver was effectively over. What was that moment?

My guess is that something happened during the race. He saw that he couldn't match the young guns, perhaps? After all he finished almost 2 laps behind his team-mate.

Posted: **06 Jun 2011, 17:03**

Wizzie wrote:Here's one.

During the 1985 European Grand Prix John Watson had a moment where he realised that his time as a Grand Prix driver was effectively over. What was that moment?

I remember this one - it was in a programme which a tribute to Senna that was aired on (I think) New Year's Day 1995, Watson said Senna came past him in qualifying and Senna was doing things with the car that Watson had never even thought of, let alone put into practice.

Posted: **06 Jun 2011, 23:28**

James1978 wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Here's one.

During the 1985 European Grand Prix John Watson had a moment where he realised that his time as a Grand Prix driver was effectively over. What was that moment?

I remember this one - it was in a programme which a tribute to Senna that was aired on (I think) New Year's Day 1995, Watson said Senna came past him in qualifying and Senna was doing things with the car that Watson had never even thought of, let alone put into practice.

BINGO! I was watching that same programme at the time of making that question on youtube.

Posted: **07 Jun 2011, 11:18**

I also vividly remember in that programme Martin Brundle talking about the time when him, Bellof and Senna all had a test in a McLaren in 1983, and him saying of the three, he was the only surviving one to that day......

Anyway, I have a question now. In the days of the pre-1996 car numbering system, which non-champion driver drove the same numbered car for three different teams and which number was it? (I put non-champion as I thought of Lauda having #1 at Ferrari in 1976, Brabham in 1978 and McLaren in 1985, it's not him)

Posted: **07 Jun 2011, 11:21**

I'm just going to go for a wild guess and say it's Andrea De Cesaris or someone else whose driven for a ridiculous number of teams

Posted: **07 Jun 2011, 11:23**

Wizzie wrote:I'm just going to go for a wild guess and say it's Andrea De Cesaris or someone else whose driven for a ridiculous number of teams

OOps, didn't think the question through properly. That one is right as he had 22 for Alfa, Rial and Dallara. Though he wasn't the one I was thinking of!

Posted: **07 Jun 2011, 11:33**

James1978 wrote:Bellof

Posted: **07 Jun 2011, 11:36**

James1978 wrote:I also vividly remember in that programme Martin Brundle talking about the time when him, Bellof and Senna all had a test in a McLaren in 1983, and him saying of the three, he was the only surviving one to that day......

Speaking of tests in 1983 anyone want to hazard a guess as to who gave Senna his first F1 test?

Posted: **07 Jun 2011, 11:37**

Wizzie wrote:
James1978 wrote:I also vividly remember in that programme Martin Brundle talking about the time when him, Bellof and Senna all had a test in a McLaren in 1983, and him saying of the three, he was the only surviving one to that day......

Speaking of tests in 1983 anyone want to hazard a guess as to who gave Senna his first F1 test?

Wasn't Williams?

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