Grand Prix Rejects

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Simple questions here:

1) Who has the most CART (that means 1979-2003) victories?
2) Who has the most CCWS (that means 2004-2007) victories?
3) Who was the first and last American race winner in F1 (barring the Indy 500)?
4) Who was the first Brit in IRL?
5) Who was the first foreigner to win an IRL race?

Would like to see some people try without checking any sources.

1) Gil de Ferran?
2) Sebastien Bourdais?
3) Phil Hill was the first, Mario Andretti the last?
4) Dan Wheldon?
5) Arie Luyendyk?

Faustus wrote:

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Simple questions here:

1) Who has the most CART (that means 1979-2003) victories?
2) Who has the most CCWS (that means 2004-2007) victories?
3) Who was the first and last American race winner in F1 (barring the Indy 500)?
4) Who was the first Brit in IRL?
5) Who was the first foreigner to win an IRL race?

Would like to see some people try without checking any sources.

1) Gil de Ferran?
2) Sebastien Bourdais?
3) Phil Hill was the first, Mario Andretti the last?
4) Dan Wheldon?
5) Arie Luyendyk?

All correct but the first one.

James1978 wrote:I thought it might be winning after a drive-thru penalty (with Webber being the third driver in question) but I don't think Alonso's done it.......

Just realised Schumacher's technically done it twice - the 2002 French GP and also 1998 British GP where he won taking his penalty on the last lap.

If Schumacher, Button and Webber were the three drivers then.......

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:

Faustus wrote:

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Simple questions here:

1) Who has the most CART (that means 1979-2003) victories?
2) Who has the most CCWS (that means 2004-2007) victories?
3) Who was the first and last American race winner in F1 (barring the Indy 500)?
4) Who was the first Brit in IRL?
5) Who was the first foreigner to win an IRL race?

Would like to see some people try without checking any sources.

1) Gil de Ferran?
2) Sebastien Bourdais?
3) Phil Hill was the first, Mario Andretti the last?
4) Dan Wheldon?
5) Arie Luyendyk?

All correct but the first one.

The first, I would guess Rick Mears.

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:

Faustus wrote:

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:Simple questions here:

1) Who has the most CART (that means 1979-2003) victories?
2) Who has the most CCWS (that means 2004-2007) victories?
3) Who was the first and last American race winner in F1 (barring the Indy 500)?
4) Who was the first Brit in IRL?
5) Who was the first foreigner to win an IRL race?

Would like to see some people try without checking any sources.

1) Gil de Ferran?
2) Sebastien Bourdais?
3) Phil Hill was the first, Mario Andretti the last?
4) Dan Wheldon?
5) Arie Luyendyk?

All correct but the first one.

Michael Andretti?

Well, thus far nobody has gotten the feat nor the third driver right.

A hint: The semantics I mentioned are similar to what is the point of contention between Group and Team Lotus.

Faustus wrote:Michael Andretti?

There we go! Told you it was too easy.

DonTirri wrote:Well, thus far nobody has gotten the feat nor the third driver right.

A hint: The semantics I mentioned are similar to what is the point of contention between Group and Team Lotus.

Is the feat that they have all taken the first victory for a team which has returned to the sport?

Alonso won for Renault in 2003, their first win since their return the year before having not competed between 1986-2001.

Button took Honda's most recent win, after the team took a break from 1969-2005.

But that leaves a third team...

Scratch that: Is the feat that they have all taken the first win for a team which has been subject to a buyout and had its name changed?

Vettel won for Torro Rosso after they Minardi, and for Red Bull after they were Jaguar and Stewart.

Button took the debut win for Honda after they begat BAR and Tyrrell.

Alonso took the win for Renault, which was intially Benetton and Toleman.

Ben Gilbert wrote:

DonTirri wrote:Well, thus far nobody has gotten the feat nor the third driver right.

A hint: The semantics I mentioned are similar to what is the point of contention between Group and Team Lotus.

Is the feat that they have all taken the first victory for a team which has returned to the sport?

Alonso won for Renault in 2003, their first win since their return the year before having not competed between 1986-2001.

Button took Honda's most recent win, after the team took a break from 1969-2005.

But that leaves a third team...

Scratch that: Is the feat that they have all taken the first win for a team which has been subject to a buyout and had its name changed?

Vettel won for Torro Rosso after they Minardi, and for Red Bull after they were Jaguar and Stewart.

Button took the debut win for Honda after they begat BAR and Tyrrell.

Alonso took the win for Renault, which was intially Benetton and Toleman.

Would Button's win for Brawn also count then? Are we up the wrong path or is the question's wording misleading?

Here's a hardish one:

What were Murray Walker's first words on the BBC back in 1949?

Wizzie wrote:Here's a hardish one:

What were Murray Walker's first words on the BBC back in 1949?

Was it 'And we are GO GO GO!' by any chance?

Wizzie wrote:Here's a hardish one:

What were Murray Walker's first words on the BBC back in 1949?

Was it "John, congratulations on a fantastic victory, what was it like and how do you feel?" when speaking to John Surtees at the 1949 Isle of Man TT?

At the very least, there was a recent documentary about Murray Walker which mentioned that his first work for the BBC was at the Isle of Man TT, where his father was the lead commentator, and Murray acted as a secondary commentator/interviewer.

Ben Gilbert wrote:*SNIP*

DING DING.

You got it right.
And the semantics? Was Honda a new team formed out of a buyout or the same team as the one in the sixties, same going for Renault.

YES!

Okay, here's one which may or may not be difficult:

What is the connection between last weekend's Canadian Grand Prix, and the race that McLaren failed at in 1988?

Ben Gilbert wrote:YES!

Okay, here's one which may or may not be difficult:

What is the connection between last weekend's Canadian Grand Prix, and the race that McLaren failed at in 1988?

2 drivers at least age 40? Arnoux and Schlesser?

Ben Gilbert wrote:YES!

Okay, here's one which may or may not be difficult:

What is the connection between last weekend's Canadian Grand Prix, and the race that McLaren failed at in 1988?

Oh, you mean the part in which one driver (Jean-Louis Schlesser/Jenson Button) touched another one (Ayrton Senna/Fernando Alonso), making the car of the latter be beached on a kerb?

By the way, ironic in the way that at the 1988 Italian GP it was a Williams taking out a McLaren for a Ferrari to win. This time it was a McLaren taking out a Ferrari that could have won that race...

redbulljack14 wrote:

Ben Gilbert wrote:YES!

Okay, here's one which may or may not be difficult:

What is the connection between last weekend's Canadian Grand Prix, and the race that McLaren failed at in 1988?

2 drivers at least age 40? Arnoux and Schlesser?

Not quite, but I'll give it to you.

The Canadian Grand Prix is the first time in over thirty years that two drivers aged forty or more competed in. The last race to feature this was the 1980 Italian Grand Prix, with Vittorio Brambilla (42) and Mario Andretti (40).

The connection was that the 1988 Italian Grand Prix was almost the most recent race instead: Rene Arnoux was 40, but Jean-Louis Schlesser was 39 years, 364 days old.

Phoenix wrote:

Ben Gilbert wrote:YES!

Okay, here's one which may or may not be difficult:

What is the connection between last weekend's Canadian Grand Prix, and the race that McLaren failed at in 1988?

Oh, you mean the part in which one driver (Jean-Louis Schlesser/Jenson Button) touched another one (Ayrton Senna/Fernando Alonso), making the car of the latter be beached on a kerb?

By the way, ironic in the way that at the 1988 Italian GP it was a Williams taking out a McLaren for a Ferrari to win. This time it was a McLaren taking out a Ferrari that could have won that race...

There is that element as well, but I'd hesitate to say that Alonso was beached [i]on the kerb[/b], like Senna was. It's more that he was beached on a small hill.

Ben Gilbert wrote:

redbulljack14 wrote:

Ben Gilbert wrote:YES!

Okay, here's one which may or may not be difficult:

What is the connection between last weekend's Canadian Grand Prix, and the race that McLaren failed at in 1988?

2 drivers at least age 40? Arnoux and Schlesser?

Not quite, but I'll give it to you.

The Canadian Grand Prix is the first time in over thirty years that two drivers aged forty or more competed in. The last race to feature this was the 1980 Italian Grand Prix, with Vittorio Brambilla (42) and Mario Andretti (40).

The connection was that the 1988 Italian Grand Prix was almost the most recent race instead: Rene Arnoux was 40, but Jean-Louis Schlesser was 39 years, 364 days old.

I beg to differ, my answer's better.

Phoenix wrote:
I beg to differ, my answer's better.

I beg to differ; I was the one who gave the question, I shall decide the better answer

Besides, those are (arguably) the biggest talking points in each race (apart from perhaps Vettel's mistake in the Canadian one). Surely on F1Rejects we can decide that the answer about old farts continuing on in a sport long after they've crested the hill is the more interesting subject

Well, at least I thought Alonso's car was beached after Button touched him...just like Senna's car at the 1988 Italian GP. If I am wrong at this regard, then I'd like someone to point it out for me. I thought that it was a more exact link between those two races.

Here's a couple, both of which I don't know the answer to.

1. Least amount of wins a driver has had in a year he took the title. If more than one have 0, least podiums?

2. Last time a driver has passed the leader on the last lap to win, not due to the leader's reliability issues?

Peter, Keke Rosberg only won 1 race in 1982 and became champion whilst Mike Hawthorn also won just 1 race to become champion in 1958, Hawthorn probably had fewer podiums because there were less races in the 50's but I may be wrong, 1982 was stupidly close. RESEARCH TIME

Whilst before Canda 2011 the last time a driver overtook someone on the last lap must have been Suzuka 05 When Raikkonen overtook Fisichella.
Whilst I am sure on two seperate occasions Barrichello and Schumacher swapped places on the last lap (one in Indianapolis the other at the A1 ring)

Hawthon was on the Podium 6 other times aside his win, whilst Rosberg was only on the podium five other times beside his win, So the leats winningest Champion is therfore Rosberg.

Which raises the question, using the current pointscheme and averaging points out to a traditional 16 race calender which "champion" would have scored the least points and still won their title?

mario wrote:

Wizzie wrote:Here's a hardish one:

What were Murray Walker's first words on the BBC back in 1949?

Was it "John, congratulations on a fantastic victory, what was it like and how do you feel?" when speaking to John Surtees at the 1949 Isle of Man TT?

At the very least, there was a recent documentary about Murray Walker which mentioned that his first work for the BBC was at the Isle of Man TT, where his father was the lead commentator, and Murray acted as a secondary commentator/interviewer.

In another interview I read recently, Murray said his first work for the BBC was on radio at the 1949 British GP......so maybe it was "Baron de Graffenreid, congratulations etc....."

eagleash wrote:

mario wrote:

Wizzie wrote:Here's a hardish one:

What were Murray Walker's first words on the BBC back in 1949?

Was it "John, congratulations on a fantastic victory, what was it like and how do you feel?" when speaking to John Surtees at the 1949 Isle of Man TT?

At the very least, there was a recent documentary about Murray Walker which mentioned that his first work for the BBC was at the Isle of Man TT, where his father was the lead commentator, and Murray acted as a secondary commentator/interviewer.

In another interview I read recently, Murray said his first work for the BBC was on radio at the 1949 British GP......so maybe it was "Baron de Graffenreid, congratulations etc....."

Neither of you are close.

HINT: Someone has just gone off at the time.

Wizzie wrote:

eagleash wrote:

mario wrote:Was it "John, congratulations on a fantastic victory, what was it like and how do you feel?" when speaking to John Surtees at the 1949 Isle of Man TT?

At the very least, there was a recent documentary about Murray Walker which mentioned that his first work for the BBC was at the Isle of Man TT, where his father was the lead commentator, and Murray acted as a secondary commentator/interviewer.

In another interview I read recently, Murray said his first work for the BBC was on radio at the 1949 British GP......so maybe it was "Baron de Graffenreid, congratulations etc....."

Neither of you are close.

HINT: Someone has just gone off at the time.

Then "He's crashed" or "What's that smell?"........ "gone off"...geddit?

Here's one:
Why is the 1973 Monaco Grand Prix unique?

tommykl wrote:Here's one:
Why is the 1973 Monaco Grand Prix unique?

Was it the only time (when there were six point scorers) that the points positions were filled by three teams, all with both of their cars?

Or (slightly more abstract) the only time the Monaco Grand Prix took place outside of May?

Ben Gilbert wrote:

tommykl wrote:Here's one:
Why is the 1973 Monaco Grand Prix unique?

Was it the only time (when there were six point scorers) that the points positions were filled by three teams, all with both of their cars?
That was not the only time it happened. Example: 2001 European GP.

Or (slightly more abstract) the only time the Monaco Grand Prix took place outside of May?
It took place in June on 3 more occasions.

Try again. It has to do with the year it took place in.

tommykl wrote:

Ben Gilbert wrote:

tommykl wrote:Here's one:
Why is the 1973 Monaco Grand Prix unique?

Was it the only time (when there were six point scorers) that the points positions were filled by three teams, all with both of their cars?
That was not the only time it happened. Example: 2001 European GP.

Or (slightly more abstract) the only time the Monaco Grand Prix took place outside of May?
It took place in June on 3 more occasions.

Try again. It has to do with the year it took place in.

I think I may have it:

Is it the only time where the top six in the race were also the top six in the Championship at the end of the year, and in the same order for both?

Spot on!

Here's another fairly long-winded one:

A certain achievement links Jean-Pierre Beltoise and Alberto Ascari. What is it?

There are nine others who have managed this, and among them a certain Frenchman has achieved in in a unique fashion. Who is he, and what did he do?

Finally, of these nine, two of them managed the achievement in a slightly dubious manner. Who are they, and why is their attainment not as secure as the others?

So far, all I can see is that their number of entries are both multiples of 11, though more than nine others have accomplished that.

tommykl wrote:So far, all I can see is that their number of entries are both multiples of 11, though more than nine others have accomplished that.

I'm afraid it isn't to do with that, or anything really abstract. It's to do with their results.

Ben Gilbert wrote:

tommykl wrote:So far, all I can see is that their number of entries are both multiples of 11, though more than nine others have accomplished that.

I'm afraid it isn't to do with that, or anything really abstract. It's to do with their results.

Shot in the dark here....is it they won a race that was red flagged, for what ever reason? (over time limit / weather conditions etc).

ibsey wrote:

Ben Gilbert wrote:

tommykl wrote:So far, all I can see is that their number of entries are both multiples of 11, though more than nine others have accomplished that.

I'm afraid it isn't to do with that, or anything really abstract. It's to do with their results.

Shot in the dark here....is it they won a race that was red flagged, for what ever reason? (over time limit / weather conditions etc).

You've got the result that this is to do with, but it's not that particular circumstance.

Ben Gilbert wrote:

ibsey wrote:
Shot in the dark here....is it they won a race that was red flagged, for what ever reason? (over time limit / weather conditions etc).

You've got the result that this is to do with, but it's not that particular circumstance.

Not quite sure what you mean there. Presumably you mean I got the red flag bit correct?

Another guess however... perhaps they won a race that was longer than 2 hours?

I know the race Jean-Pierre Beltoise won in Monaco (1972 or 1973 I can't remember now) lasted for around 3 & half hours, & everyone at the track got bored & wet, so that was the reason they brought in the 2 hour time limit.

ibsey wrote:

Ben Gilbert wrote:

ibsey wrote:
Shot in the dark here....is it they won a race that was red flagged, for what ever reason? (over time limit / weather conditions etc).

You've got the result that this is to do with, but it's not that particular circumstance.

Not quite sure what you mean there.

Another guess however... perhaps they won a race that was longer than 2 hours?

What I mean is is that the achievement has something to do with victories, but it isn't either one of your previous guesses.

Ben Gilbert wrote:

ibsey wrote:
Not quite sure what you mean there.

Another guess however... perhaps they won a race that was longer than 2 hours?

What I mean is is that the achievement has something to do with victories, but it isn't either one of your previous guesses.

Ben, I've just edited my last post as you replied. Does it have something to do with Jean-Pierre Beltoise win taking so long & therefore changing an F1 rule as a result?

So perhaps the other drivers also have won a race, which change some sort F1 rule then?

Every driver who finished in a points-scoring position won a race?