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Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 02:09
by TomWazzleshaw
the Masked Lapwing wrote:Aaaand that's 5 hours. Well, a bit more anyway.
Takagi Racing Enterprises will not be allowed to take park in the Round of Germany due to incompetence from the management. Nurminen Racing Engineering, as the first team on the reserve list, have been given the oppurtunity to race in their place, which also makes them eligible for the teams' championship for the remainder of the year.
And THIS is exactly why I always maintain that I'm the nicer of the two. Not by much though as I'm still a complete arse most of the time anyway
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 08:18
by Nuppiz
the Masked Lapwing wrote:Aaaand that's 5 hours. Well, a bit more anyway.
Takagi Racing Enterprises will not be allowed to take park in the Round of Germany due to incompetence from the management. Nurminen Racing Engineering, as the first team on the reserve list, have been given the oppurtunity to race in their place, which also makes them eligible for the teams' championship for the remainder of the year.
Niko Nurminen wrote:We are very happy for being given the chance to particiate in the championship. Hopefully we are able to gather good data for a possible full-time entry in 2016.
Well then. I won't be entering Võsu or Lappalainen in Germany as both need a bit more time in the F1RDS. As Enrico Molinaro failed to pre-qualify for the F2RWRS race, he ought to have plenty of time to participate in F3RWRS instead (unless I'm mistaken, he should still be eligible with only 7 starts and 8 entries in F2RWRS). For the second car I would like to have Ragnar Larsen, but if that puts kostas22 over the five-driver limit (which it very likely will), it'll be offered to Jules Vergne instead.
Chassis and engine choices will remain the same, and the livery will be the one I made for the Spa SuperPrix. If I'm allowed to pick new numbers, I'll just have 91 and 92, but I'm fine with the SuperPrix numbers as well.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 08:21
by TomWazzleshaw
Nuppiz wrote:the Masked Lapwing wrote:Aaaand that's 5 hours. Well, a bit more anyway.
Takagi Racing Enterprises will not be allowed to take park in the Round of Germany due to incompetence from the management. Nurminen Racing Engineering, as the first team on the reserve list, have been given the oppurtunity to race in their place, which also makes them eligible for the teams' championship for the remainder of the year.
Niko Nurminen wrote:We are very happy for being given the chance to particiate in the championship. Hopefully we are able to gather good data for a possible full-time entry in 2016.
Well then. I won't be entering Võsu or Lappalainen in Germany as both need a bit more time in the F1RDS. As Enrico Molinaro failed to pre-qualify for the F2RWRS race, he ought to have plenty of time to participate in F3RWRS instead (unless I'm mistaken, he should still be eligible with only 7 starts and 8 entries in F2RWRS). For the second car I would like to have Ragnar Larsen, but if that puts kostas22 over the five-driver limit (which it very likely will), it'll be offered to Jules Vergne instead.
Molinaro is indeed eligible for the F3RWRS drive at Spa. Whether Larsen will get the second seat however is entirely up for debate
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 08:30
by the Masked Lapwing
Nuppiz wrote:the Masked Lapwing wrote:Aaaand that's 5 hours. Well, a bit more anyway.
Takagi Racing Enterprises will not be allowed to take park in the Round of Germany due to incompetence from the management. Nurminen Racing Engineering, as the first team on the reserve list, have been given the oppurtunity to race in their place, which also makes them eligible for the teams' championship for the remainder of the year.
Niko Nurminen wrote:We are very happy for being given the chance to particiate in the championship. Hopefully we are able to gather good data for a possible full-time entry in 2016.
Well then. I won't be entering Võsu or Lappalainen in Germany as both need a bit more time in the F1RDS. As Enrico Molinaro failed to pre-qualify for the F2RWRS race, he ought to have plenty of time to participate in F3RWRS instead (unless I'm mistaken, he should still be eligible with only 7 starts and 8 entries in F2RWRS). For the second car I would like to have Ragnar Larsen, but if that puts kostas22 over the five-driver limit (which it very likely will), it'll be offered to Jules Vergne instead.
Chassis and engine choices will remain the same, and the livery will be the one I made for the Spa SuperPrix. If I'm allowed to pick new numbers, I'll just have 91 and 92, but I'm fine with the SuperPrix numbers as well.
I see no problem with Molinaro, and I think for one race kostas can go over the limit (it's not like he's going to get a full-time drive, and Vergne's covering for Lamberigts anyway). I'll let you have 91 and 92, for now and at Spa and Surfers.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 08:32
by Warren Hughes
the Masked Lapwing wrote:Nuppiz wrote:the Masked Lapwing wrote:Aaaand that's 5 hours. Well, a bit more anyway.
Takagi Racing Enterprises will not be allowed to take park in the Round of Germany due to incompetence from the management. Nurminen Racing Engineering, as the first team on the reserve list, have been given the oppurtunity to race in their place, which also makes them eligible for the teams' championship for the remainder of the year.
Niko Nurminen wrote:We are very happy for being given the chance to particiate in the championship. Hopefully we are able to gather good data for a possible full-time entry in 2016.
Well then. I won't be entering Võsu or Lappalainen in Germany as both need a bit more time in the F1RDS. As Enrico Molinaro failed to pre-qualify for the F2RWRS race, he ought to have plenty of time to participate in F3RWRS instead (unless I'm mistaken, he should still be eligible with only 7 starts and 8 entries in F2RWRS). For the second car I would like to have Ragnar Larsen, but if that puts kostas22 over the five-driver limit (which it very likely will), it'll be offered to Jules Vergne instead.
Chassis and engine choices will remain the same, and the livery will be the one I made for the Spa SuperPrix. If I'm allowed to pick new numbers, I'll just have 91 and 92, but I'm fine with the SuperPrix numbers as well.
I see no problem with Molinaro,
and I think for one race kostas can go over the limit (it's not like he's going to get a full-time drive, and Vergne's covering for Lamberigts anyway). I'll let you have 91 and 92, for now and at Spa and Surfers.
I don't think that's for you to decide - wouldn't it have to go to the F1RTA?
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 08:35
by TomWazzleshaw
Warren Hughes wrote:the Masked Lapwing wrote:Nuppiz wrote:
Well then. I won't be entering Võsu or Lappalainen in Germany as both need a bit more time in the F1RDS. As Enrico Molinaro failed to pre-qualify for the F2RWRS race, he ought to have plenty of time to participate in F3RWRS instead (unless I'm mistaken, he should still be eligible with only 7 starts and 8 entries in F2RWRS). For the second car I would like to have Ragnar Larsen, but if that puts kostas22 over the five-driver limit (which it very likely will), it'll be offered to Jules Vergne instead.
Chassis and engine choices will remain the same, and the livery will be the one I made for the Spa SuperPrix. If I'm allowed to pick new numbers, I'll just have 91 and 92, but I'm fine with the SuperPrix numbers as well.
I see no problem with Molinaro,
and I think for one race kostas can go over the limit (it's not like he's going to get a full-time drive, and Vergne's covering for Lamberigts anyway). I'll let you have 91 and 92, for now and at Spa and Surfers.
I don't think that's for you to decide - wouldn't it have to go to the F1RTA?
We tend to let the limit slide for the SuperPrixs on the basis that with 20 extra entries on average, it's simply too hard to religiously police
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 08:37
by the Masked Lapwing
Warren Hughes wrote:the Masked Lapwing wrote:Nuppiz wrote:Well then. I won't be entering Võsu or Lappalainen in Germany as both need a bit more time in the F1RDS. As Enrico Molinaro failed to pre-qualify for the F2RWRS race, he ought to have plenty of time to participate in F3RWRS instead (unless I'm mistaken, he should still be eligible with only 7 starts and 8 entries in F2RWRS). For the second car I would like to have Ragnar Larsen, but if that puts kostas22 over the five-driver limit (which it very likely will), it'll be offered to Jules Vergne instead.
Chassis and engine choices will remain the same, and the livery will be the one I made for the Spa SuperPrix. If I'm allowed to pick new numbers, I'll just have 91 and 92, but I'm fine with the SuperPrix numbers as well.
I see no problem with Molinaro,
and I think for one race kostas can go over the limit (it's not like he's going to get a full-time drive, and Vergne's covering for Lamberigts anyway). I'll let you have 91 and 92, for now and at Spa and Surfers.
I don't think that's for you to decide - wouldn't it have to go to the F1RTA?
It's one friggen race, can we not do this? The whole point of banning Takagi was that he was taking too long! (Yes, I see what is wrong with that)
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 08:39
by TomWazzleshaw
the Masked Lapwing wrote:Warren Hughes wrote:the Masked Lapwing wrote:
I see no problem with Molinaro, and I think for one race kostas can go over the limit (it's not like he's going to get a full-time drive, and Vergne's covering for Lamberigts anyway). I'll let you have 91 and 92, for now and at Spa and Surfers.
I don't think that's for you to decide - wouldn't it have to go to the F1RTA?
It's one friggen race, can we not do this? The whole point of banning Takagi was that he was taking too long! (Yes, I see what is wrong with that)
Oh god, he's even more pissed off than he usually is. Thank HWNSNBM I'm leaving the country before he can take his frustrations out on me.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 08:43
by Nuppiz
Bugger, didn't notice Vergne was reserved.
In any case, should there be no temporary exception for kostas for the German round, would it be possible to enter Larsen under my quota, as I still have one slot unused for this race (Molinaro, McCracken, Kuntz and Nurmester being the four other drivers)?
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 08:45
by TomWazzleshaw
Nuppiz wrote:Bugger, didn't notice Vergne was reserved.
In any case, should there be no temporary exception for kostas for the German round, would it be possible to enter Larsen under my quota, as I still have one slot unused for this race (Molinaro, McCracken, Kuntz and Nurmester being the four other drivers)?
That should be fine on the basis that you take him under your quota on a permanent basis.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 09:01
by Nuppiz
Wizzie wrote:Nuppiz wrote:Bugger, didn't notice Vergne was reserved.
In any case, should there be no temporary exception for kostas for the German round, would it be possible to enter Larsen under my quota, as I still have one slot unused for this race (Molinaro, McCracken, Kuntz and Nurmester being the four other drivers)?
That should be fine on the basis that you take him under your quota on a permanent basis.
Fine, seeing as McCracken's career is most likely completely over, at least in the RWRS world, I guess it wouldn't hurt too much to have another one of Kostas' drivers under my management.
This is, of course, subject to Kostas' approval.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 09:02
by RonDenisDeletraz
I only officially have 3 drivers now, I will create some free agents for anyone to hire
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 10:10
by Nuppiz
Following this turn of events, I've decided to slightly alter my Spa SuperPrix entry. Jari Lappalainen will move to the #91 car, while Ragnar Larsen will be entered in the #92 for Spa as well. So Anu Võsu won't get her F3RWRS break just yet.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 11:06
by MinardiFan95
the Masked Lapwing wrote:
Since by my rules the third car is the one with three digits, what I can do is let Simpson drive #95, and Buckley #152, with their liveries from Monaco. How does that sound?
That sounds great, thanks.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 11:31
by DanielPT
So we can exceed the driver allocation limit for SuperPrix? So then, beyond Joao Antonio Soares and Samora Mondlane, I will present a new Brazilian driver driver, 17 years old, fresh from winning the Brazilian karting championship: Bruno Massa.
I really don't care about their numbers...
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 11:34
by RonDenisDeletraz
DanielPT wrote:So we can exceed the driver allocation limit for SuperPrix? So then, beyond Joao Antonio Soares and Samora Mondlane, I will present a new Brazilian driver driver, 17 years old, fresh from winning the Brazilian karting championship: Bruno Massa.
I really don't care about their numbers...
That is even worse than Jules Vernge
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 11:43
by DanielPT
eurobrun wrote:DanielPT wrote:So we can exceed the driver allocation limit for SuperPrix? So then, beyond Joao Antonio Soares and Samora Mondlane, I will present a new Brazilian driver driver, 17 years old, fresh from winning the Brazilian karting championship: Bruno Massa.
I really don't care about their numbers...
That is even worse than Jules Vernge
I could have found a good weird real Brazilian name, but I thought that was funnier. I always thought that Jules Vergne was massive!
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 11:46
by RonDenisDeletraz
I really sound like a hypocrite though, I created Walik
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 11:48
by FMecha
I'm appealing the ban.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 11:52
by Klon
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 12:02
by RonDenisDeletraz
FMecha wrote:I'm appealing the ban.
Somebody get the popcorn ready
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 12:02
by Ataxia
DanielPT wrote:eurobrun wrote:DanielPT wrote:So we can exceed the driver allocation limit for SuperPrix? So then, beyond Joao Antonio Soares and Samora Mondlane, I will present a new Brazilian driver driver, 17 years old, fresh from winning the Brazilian karting championship: Bruno Massa.
I really don't care about their numbers...
That is even worse than Jules Vernge
I could have found a good weird real Brazilian name, but I thought that was funnier. I always thought that Jules Vergne was massive!
Jules Vergne has two puns in the name...ain't that great?
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 12:03
by DanielPT
About Joao Antonio Soares, I've said he would race for two races about a race ago, so that is a keeper. But I now confirm he will drive until the end of the season for the team. Since Soares will probably go into F2RWRS the Bruno Massa dude will almost certainly team up with Mondlane next season. Hopefully, he will have more competitive engines...
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 13:50
by Salamander
FMecha wrote:I'm appealing the ban.
I don't see that going well for you.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 16:35
by Warren Hughes
Let me say this loud and clear here: As long as kostas agrees to hand Larsen over to Nuppiz permanently, NOBODY is exceeding their driver limit for Spa or any other weekend, full stop. Any further discussion, take me to the F1RTA thread.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 18:32
by FMecha
So Naufal will be reinstated by Belgian GP. And SuperPrix seat will be vacant.
(I'll was going to spam TMLW but that would violate Remindergate community sanctions
)
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 18:43
by pasta_maldonado
FMecha wrote:So Naufal will be reinstated by Belgian GP. And SuperPrix seat will be vacant.
(I'll was going to
spam TMLW but that would violate Remindergate community sanctions
)
Why would you need to do that? TMLW clearly stated that the only reason that you have been kicked out of F3RWRS for one round is because you took too long to decide on a driver. I know you have problems with your laptop, but if you posted your new driver along with a reason for why you took so long to reply, I'm sure that would have been above board. TMLW is trying his best to run this series, he's doing a great job IMO, a fantastic job even - and I know the stresses of running a series, so I can understand his frustration over your deliberation. And then to consider, and publicly state, spamming him with emails over a mistake you made, makes no sense to me! Now I'm not the best driver manager on here, or the best roleplayer, and I'm susceptible to mistakes, but I try to be clear with my decisions. The same thing is going on in F1RMGP WEC. People are beginning to get frustrated with your deliberation and reversal of decisions. You need to be more clear in your decisions, if they go well, they go well, and if they don't - they don't! After all, this a virtual universe, created for all of us to have fun when we get home from school/work to relieve stressful work, or whatever.
Now don't get me wrong, this is not a personal attack, just some advice FMecha. I think you need be more attentive to what is going on and to stick by your decisions.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 18:49
by DanielPT
FMecha wrote:(I'll was going to spam TMLW but that would violate Remindergate community sanctions
)
So... You have been banned for a race by TMLW, which seems to indicate he became annoyed and your 'appeal the ban' is to try and annoy him even more?
It doesn't look like a smart tactic if you ask me...
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 18:51
by FMecha
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: The "spam TMLW" thing is a (sick) joke, actually. Also, Pasta, tell Diniz I'm deal with Cyndie.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 20:01
by TomWazzleshaw
DanielPT wrote:FMecha wrote:(I'll was going to spam TMLW but that would violate Remindergate community sanctions
)
So... You have been banned for a race by TMLW, which seems to indicate he became annoyed and your 'appeal the ban' is to try and annoy him even more?
It doesn't look like a smart tactic if you ask me...
Indeed, firstly because annoying the living crap out of Lappy is MY job. But more importantly, he's already annoyed enough as it is so it'll end up achieving a grand total of sod all.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 21:06
by DemocalypseNow
OK, I didn't have any big plans for Larsen (was trying to line him up to replace McKane in RoLFS in 2016 as he's Ilmor's test driver), so I'll release him for Nuppiz to manage.
I'm surprised it took this long for anyone to notice I was already over my quota anyway
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 21:36
by AndreaModa
If you remember you were granted special dispensation to run six drivers for 2015.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 21:38
by the Masked Lapwing
Wizzie wrote:DanielPT wrote:FMecha wrote:(I'll was going to spam TMLW but that would violate Remindergate community sanctions
)
So... You have been banned for a race by TMLW, which seems to indicate he became annoyed and your 'appeal the ban' is to try and annoy him even more?
It doesn't look like a smart tactic if you ask me...
Indeed, firstly because annoying the living crap out of Lappy is MY job. But more importantly, he's already annoyed enough as it is so it'll end up achieving a grand total of sod all.
Especially because of my personal motto: "The more you bug me about doing something, the less likely I am to do it."
I'm not sure whether FMecha was joking about the spam thing (I don't check my emails anyway, so I wouldn't have noticed), but I see that and now you're lucky if I don't turf out TRE for the rest of the year.
I will run the first race of Norisring (finally!) today.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 21:45
by DemocalypseNow
AndreaModa wrote:If you remember you were granted special dispensation to run six drivers for 2015.
I do. I think I have seven right now
I can think this one out, going to have to write it down to figure it out...
Bastiaan van Nieuwenhuijzen
Gianluigi Pazzini
Olafur Ragnar Hannesson
Alessandro Lucarelli
Carsten Jancker
Diego Maruicio Batistuta
So it's only when the SuperPrixs run than I go over the limit. Pykalisto being Prospec's third driver makes it seven, and with Miccoli racing for Parma Corse, that makes it eight.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 21:47
by pi314159
Driver for Mazzacane Motorsport is 17-year old nephew of José Pablo, Thiago Mazzacane.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 21:48
by AndreaModa
kostas22 wrote:AndreaModa wrote:If you remember you were granted special dispensation to run six drivers for 2015.
I do. I think I have seven right now
Hahaha you sneaky bastard!
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 19 Dec 2012, 22:08
by Nessafox
AndreaModa wrote:kostas22 wrote:AndreaModa wrote:If you remember you were granted special dispensation to run six drivers for 2015.
I do. I think I have seven right now
Hahaha you sneaky bastard!
I hear you coming, you want me to run one of your drivers because i only have 4 right now
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 20 Dec 2012, 00:04
by DanielPT
Ok... I see that Bruno Massa will have to postpone his debut until next season. But now I have a vacancy in the third car. If any of you fancies having one of your drivers trundling along at the back of the grid give me a call.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 20 Dec 2012, 02:00
by the Masked Lapwing
2015 Round of Germany - Qualifying 1Code: Select all
Pos Driver Team Time
1 Dan Greenlaw Prospec 0:48.766
2 Joel Melrose JLD 0:48.980
3 Daniel Melville ZimSport 0:48.981
4 Olafur Ragnar Hannesson Parma Corse 0:49.003
5 Quentin Reatherson Linton-Solindahl 0:49.111
6 Judd McAllister BITWM 0:49.196
7 Nathanael Cameron Prospec 0:49.238
8 Alessandro Lucarelli Parma Corse 0:49.242
9 Nick Nurmester Kamaha 0:49.259
10 Scott Davidson Kingfisher 0:49.328
11 Joe Harmsky Shonan 0:49.360
Code: Select all
12 Takuma Taki Red Bull 0:49.386
13 Raul Souto Maior Aeroracing 0:49.397
14 Carsten Jancker Hydook 0:49.397
15 Marko Jantscher Fusion 0:49.397
16 Ryan Zimmer ZimSport 0:49.481
17 Kevin Bainomugisha Octan 0:49.518
18 Diego Mauricio Batistuta Aeroracing 0:49.523
19 Stefan Kuntz Fusion 0:49.535
20 Peter Port West Cliff 0:49.544
21 Eric Swerts Jones 0:49.567
22 Franc Piscine Good Call 0:49.567
23 Stephanie Brown JLD 0:49.592
24 Roberto Dinella Jones 0:49.626
Code: Select all
25 Paul Travesen Linton-Solindahl 0:49.627
26 Victoria Desai Kamaha 0:49.669
27 Jef Verbeeck BITWM 0:49.773
28 Ragnar Larsen Nurminen 0:49.781
29 Thomas Yorke Good Call 0:49.797
30 Tyler Buckley Gulf JCW 0:49.803
31 Calvin Brooks Kingfisher 0:49.857
32 Dale Hamilton Red Bull 0:49.857
33 Shane Walsh ZombieKart 0:49.864
34 Joao Antonio Soares Porto Wine 0:49.905
35 Enrico Molinaro Nurminen 0:49.936
36 Roland Davidson Gulf JCW 0:50.018
37 Branko Ristic Hydook 0:50.078
Code: Select all
38 Jordan Davies West Cliff 0:50.279
39 Jules Vergne Octan 0:50.346
40 Samora Mondlane Porto Wine 0:50.505
41 Yuri Sokolov Shonan 0:50.778
42 Roberto Zayas ZombieKart 0:50.893
43 Iulian Pitea Dofasco 0:51.006
44 Jan Maylander Dofasco 0:51.098
And Greenlaw takes another pole position. Another short track meant that there was blocking, but not nearly as much as at Brands Hatch. The two notable examples were Roberto Zayas forcing Swerts wide at the first hairpin on the Belgian's flyer, and Jordan Davies unable to pass Pitea for his entire lap, not that Pitea was being generous.
Re: F3RWRS - Yet another feeder series
Posted: 20 Dec 2012, 02:20
by Salamander
Jordan Davies wrote:Yeah, it's really annoying not to be able to get a clean lap because some doofus doesn't want to let me past. I mean, I know they have to qualify too, but that shouldn't mean that my qualifying has to be ruined, right? Why don't we just all go one at a time? That'd be lots better! But yeah, I'm way behind everyone else and I'm going to fall even further behind in the championship, probably. So that Pita bread guy better not try that again, or I'm... not gonna be very happy with him!
