Grand Prix Rejects

Wizzie wrote:Dear Rubens Barrichello,

Go home. You had no problems in qualifying yesterday yet you were still 3 tenths slower than your deadbeat accident prone teammate in Q2.

Yours sincerely,
A very annoyed Williams fan

I wonder if we will be seeing Maldonado pull off a shock result this afternoon, as this is his best track. He better do so, otherwise my predictions will be ruined!

Dear Mr Hamilton,

Please refrain from such childish verbal attacks on the stewards....


k thanks....

Dear very annoyed Williams fan,

up yours.

Yours sincerely,
Rubens Barrichello


- Sorry, wizzie I couldn't help myself.

Alguersaurus, how are you still in F1.

Dear L. Hamilton,

Your attempts at pulling the race card put everything Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (look them up if you're not American and you'll get it) in the shade.

Regards,
- Cy

F1000X wrote:Alguersaurus, how are you still in F1.

He may not be in F1 for long - according to the BBC, Alguersuari's contract is currently under review (i.e. his position within the team is not assured by any means). A few more poor performances like this, and we could well see Alguersuari being fired before the season is out.

mario wrote:

F1000X wrote:Alguersaurus, how are you still in F1.

He may not be in F1 for long - according to the BBC, Alguersuari's contract is currently under review (i.e. his position within the team is not assured by any means). A few more poor performances like this, and we could well see Alguersuari being fired before the season is out.

Can anyone explain why Alguersuari didn't get a penalty for crashing into the back of Lewis? (which not only caused the SC that ruined the final laps, but the accident could have been very dangerous indeed to Petrov considering all the suspension parts flying around close to Petrov's cockpit & photograph's on the edge of the track).

IMO that appear to be a more 'avoidable accident' in comparison to others which did generate a penalty. Since all the other drivers in that que of cars gave space to the car in front when Sutil was clearly struggling with his flat tire, expect for Alguersuari...who appear to just plow into the back of Hamilton?

Probably becuase the "victim" was Hamilton and he'd done enough wrong already.

ibsey wrote:

mario wrote:

F1000X wrote:Alguersaurus, how are you still in F1.

He may not be in F1 for long - according to the BBC, Alguersuari's contract is currently under review (i.e. his position within the team is not assured by any means). A few more poor performances like this, and we could well see Alguersuari being fired before the season is out.

Can anyone explain why Alguersuari didn't get a penalty for crashing into the back of Lewis? (which not only caused the SC that ruined the final laps, but the accident could have been very dangerous indeed to Petrov considering all the suspension parts flying around close to Petrov's cockpit & photograph's on the edge of the track).

IMO that appear to be a more 'avoidable accident' in comparison to others which did generate a penalty. Since all the other drivers in that que of cars gave space to the car in front when Sutil was clearly struggling with his flat tire, expect for Alguersuari...who appear to just plow into the back of Hamilton?

Because when a driver in front suddently brakes, and you are going full throttle it is hard to not crash. And well, then Petrov should get a grid-penalty next race?

The only ways to avoid that was to crash himself in the barriers, or brake before Hamilton, something that I guess would've caused Petrov to fly (again) and that could've been worse.

If you no longer go for a gap that exists ...

In another era, Lewis would've eked out the last point through his admittedly aggressive racing. So whence all the the hate?

AlpineSmuggler wrote:If you no longer go for a gap that exists ...

In another era, Lewis would've eked out the last point through his admittedly aggressive racing. So whence all the the hate?

This interview just supported my theory of Senna being either psychotic or suicidal...

Klon wrote:

AlpineSmuggler wrote:If you no longer go for a gap that exists ...

In another era, Lewis would've eked out the last point through his admittedly aggressive racing. So whence all the the hate?

This interview just supported my theory of Senna being either psychotic or suicidal...

There was a piece (TopGear, I think), where Brundle says that Senna used to put other drivers in a position to have an accident or not. Their choice. Very much like Lewis did this weekend with Massa and Maldonado.

Dude's got balls. I want more drivers with balls in F1, simple as that. An alpha male, domineering mofo you yield your position to unless your name is Alonso or Team ABC Moving Chicane #2.

Things got to heat up on the track, and penalties ain't gonna do it. Let the men race.

Whatever your opinions on Senna are, the current F1 grid looks up to him regardless (I recall them rating Senna as the all-time best a couple years ago). Both of Lewis' moves at Ste. Devote came thanks to a wide-open gap right on the inside, just begging to be filled up, and I'm sure, if presented with the same opportunity, Senna would've done the same.

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Whatever your opinions on Senna are, the current F1 grid looks up to him regardless (I recall them rating Senna as the all-time best a couple years ago). Both of Lewis' moves at Ste. Devote came thanks to a wide-open gap right on the inside, just begging to be filled up, and I'm sure, if presented with the same opportunity, Senna would've done the same.

I remember the driver interviews on the BBC website a couple of years ago, one of the questions was Senna or Prost. Webber was the only person who said Prost IIRC. Quite frankly, I agree with him.

Hamilton has been very reminiscent of Senna this weekend, indeed. Even the part of that video where Senna says: "Sometimes I'll get it wrong, sure, it is impossible to get it right all the time" is similar to something Hamilton said (in the lines of "if I made a mistake, I would apologize").

EDIT: "If it ever comes to a stage where I had to pull back and just cruise around, that would not excite me and I probably wouldn't stay around for that." This and "if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver" feels pretty much the same to me.

I usually start with a thought on something, then almost always I change my mind in one way or another.

It is disgraceful that incidents like Hamilton's or di Resta's are punished when there was clearly no bad intention. Hamilton's declarations after the race were very wrong, but incidentally he was right in saying stewarding was a joke. They introduce the DRS and make the tyres to enhance passing moves, but when a passing move is accidentally a botched one, the driver who tries to overtake is mercilessly punished. What's the point, then, of all the efforts put together to improve spectacle? As much as I thought Hamilton's race was very messy to put it mildly, I really enjoyed seeing him trying and trying. Something needs to be done with the way the stewards do their job, especially since things like abusing of the asphalt run-offs are not punished. Not every passing move can end up well but that doesn't make an attempt dangerous or done with evil intentions.

Maybe we should all watch DTM. It gives us what we want in F1:

Red Bull cars in the last row.

Reverie Planetarian wrote:So...seems like we're getting the turbos in 2013, and the 2012 IndyCar designs revealed thus far look shockingly goofy.

Is it time for fans to, like, just buy and download rFactor and create a Fantasy Mod to get both impressive cars and close racing? We can't have both? Really?

We do have that. the World Rally Championship. Capped at 2.0 liters and 300hp. All the tire manufacturers are using very similar compounds and treads.
Diverse, but close. each car is starting to sound the same though...

nome66 wrote:

Reverie Planetarian wrote:So...seems like we're getting the turbos in 2013, and the 2012 IndyCar designs revealed thus far look shockingly goofy.

Is it time for fans to, like, just buy and download rFactor and create a Fantasy Mod to get both impressive cars and close racing? We can't have both? Really?

We do have that. the World Rally Championship. Capped at 2.0 liters and 300hp. All the tire manufacturers are using very similar compounds and treads.
"Diverse", but close. each car is starting to sound the same though...

Fixed. The difference nowadays is made mostly in aero (sort of), wheel distance and weight distribution. I think.

DanielPT wrote:

nome66 wrote:

Reverie Planetarian wrote:So...seems like we're getting the turbos in 2013, and the 2012 IndyCar designs revealed thus far look shockingly goofy.

Is it time for fans to, like, just buy and download rFactor and create a Fantasy Mod to get both impressive cars and close racing? We can't have both? Really?

We do have that. the World Rally Championship. Capped at 2.0 liters and 300hp. All the tire manufacturers are using very similar compounds and treads.
"Diverse", but close. each car is starting to sound the same though...

Fixed. The difference nowadays is made mostly in aero (sort of), wheel distance and weight distribution. I think.

And the field really isn't that diverse - there are only two manufacturers this year in the WRC (Ford and Citroen) who are competing across the whole season (with occasional entries by Mini, but only for testing ahead of a possible 2012 campaign). Hell, you don't even have the occasional Mitsubishi, Subaru or Skoda privateers left this year in the WRC class (not that they weren't already on the way out).

Reverie Planetarian wrote:So...seems like we're getting the turbos in 2013, and the 2012 IndyCar designs revealed thus far look shockingly goofy.

Is it time for fans to, like, just buy and download rFactor and create a Fantasy Mod to get both impressive cars and close racing? We can't have both? Really?

I actually like the 2012 IndyCar designs to be honest. The only thing I don't like are the rear wheel fender thingies but the concept of Mark Webber crashes at 230 MPH is not too desirable, eh?

nome66 wrote:We do have that. the World Rally Championship. Capped at 2.0 liters and 300hp. All the tire manufacturers are using very similar compounds and treads.
"Diverse", but "close". each car is starting to sound the same though...

...except the WRC shows every sign of not being terribly competitive, and no signs of improving much...

Cynon wrote:

Reverie Planetarian wrote:...except the WRC shows every sign of not being terribly competitive, and no signs of improving much...

We'll see about that. If 2-4 more teams joins, it will be good I think!

Yesterday, I watched the 2004 Monaco GP from an old VHS tape (I should digitalize it but can't get bothered).

Shame on whoever took the beautiful sound of the V10 engines away from us!

(From the "Your favourite motor-racing film" thread)

DOSBoot wrote:

dr-baker wrote:There are no cinemas near me showing the Senna movie this weekend, despite this being the weekend of its release. TT3D: Closer to the Edge was on wider release round here. One cinema stated that it would be out on 22nd June. Why? I've been waiting to watch this movie since last year!

Usually independent movies like that are a limited release, so chances are you'll probably not see it until it comes out on dvd. Documentaries aren't really a big attraction to average film goers unless they are well advertised. Most independent movies become popular through cult status, rather than right on release day.

TT3D was on every night from the day of official release for at least a fortnight. That was an independant documentary. I went twice and there was a good audience both times. It even made the UK Box Office Top 10 (in 7th) in its first week. Senna has been receiving more publicity (at least in motorsport press) for a longer time and is more of a celebrity in a much more popular and well-known series. So why can't I go and see it nearly as easily as the TT3D documentary? Gah! Rant over.

Ferrim wrote:Yesterday, I watched the 2004 Monaco GP from an old VHS tape (I should digitalize it but can't get bothered).

Shame on whoever took the beautiful sound of the V10 engines away from us!

Go Home whoever that was.

Ecclestodzley.
... love mushing together names of people i don't like.

nome66 wrote:Ecclestodzley.
... love mushing together names of people i don't like.

Lewelipfeld Vettmacher.

You're right, that is quite fun.

Not really a rant.

Sebastian Vettel would be awesome at oval racing, particularly NASCAR, judging by Peter Windsor's analysis of Vettel's driving technique. For the uninformed, Windsor stated that Vettel's technique is to anticipate the grip changes and to react to them before they happened. This is crucial on oval racing, where, once the car steps out far enough, there's really no saving it from spinning unless you get lucky.

That being said, one of Vettel's weaknesses in F1 is that he isn't the best at passing other cars on the track. If there's any place where Seb could get schooled and learn a few pointers on how to pass cars, ovals are the place to do it. F1 passing master Nigel Mansell asserted his dominance on short ovals in CART, where slicing between slower cars is a required skill. Granted, Mansell on road courses wasn't anything too special in CART except for qualifying and scamming officials...

JPM and Jacques Villeneuve both came from CART, both learned the tricks of the trade when it came to oval racing, and both were good at passing in F1...

...on this vein, if Vettel wants to hone his abilities at passing, Red Bull Racing should send him over to the Team Red Bull cars in NASCAR, because TRB can do a lot better than having the Ultimate Underachiever Kasey Kahne and the Always Average Brian Vickers...

Read my lips! Virgin = Very Idiotic Racer good in nothing!

KL-racer wrote:Read my lips!

Who are you? Bush Sr?

Lewis: STOP BEING PAUL TRACY. You're making it hard to be a fan.

F1000X wrote:Lewis: STOP BEING PAUL TRACY. You're making it hard to be a fan.

He's more like Andrea De Cesaris at the moment if you ask me!

James1978 wrote:

F1000X wrote:Lewis: STOP BEING PAUL TRACY. You're making it hard to be a fan.

He's more like Andrea De Cesaris at the moment if you ask me!

It's Lewis "I like to pretend I'm am driving sports cars" Hamilton.

I remember some time ago I posted here that Ferrari would not win a race this season. I stand by this point of view.

I've just watched the final lap of yesterday's race as broadcasted in the BBC.

I found Brundle's commentary of Vettel's slide disappointing. I've always liked his commentary, but I didn't like him in the lead role... Do you imagine how Murray Walker would have done it? It lacked the enthusiasm. James Allen would have been very enthusiastic as well, although he would have overdone it

It really puts into perspective how difficult was to do what Murray used to do.

Ferrim wrote:I've just watched the final lap of yesterday's race as broadcasted in the BBC.

I found Brundle's commentary of Vettel's slide disappointing. I've always liked his commentary, but I didn't like him in the lead role... Do you imagine how Murray Walker would have done it? It lacked the enthusiasm. James Allen would have been very enthusiastic as well, although he would have overdone it

It really puts into perspective how difficult was to do what Murray used to do.

"OOOOOOHHHHHHH! And Vettel goes wide! Button is through! Button is going to the Canadian grand prix! I repeat, BUTTON IS GOING TO WIN THE CANADIAN GRAND PRIX!"

Like this?

THIS IS THE MOST AMAZING RACE EVER!!!! THEY SAID BUTTON COULDN'T OVERTAKE!! HE CAME DOWN FROM LAST TO FIRST IN 30 LAPS!! TAKE IT THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!

(That would have been Allen )

By the way, this is how the Portuguese coverage panned out.

Main commentator (I never remember his name): "Ok, if Vettels keeps going like this, losing only 0.1 sec per lap he is going to make it."

Tiago Monteiro: "Button will try and pressure Vettel but for sure if it stays 0.9 secs it might be hard for Button to overtake."

*Vettel goes wide and Button goes through*

TM: "Button must try and attack before the final cor... DRS... erm..."

MC: "Vettels made a mistake and Buttons is through. It was too much pressure for Vettels, he gave it all and cracked. Now barring any problem Buttons will win this."

TM: "It was a good race. Button knew that if he attacked, Vettel could make a mistake, which is very easy in this conditions and that is what happened."

Ferrim wrote:TAKE IT THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!

(That would have been Allen )

I think you mean:
GET IN THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

tommykl wrote:

Ferrim wrote:TAKE IT THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!

(That would have been Allen )

I think you mean:
GET IN THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

You're absolutely right, I'm afraid. I never properly understood that part, not being a native English speaker, and while my skills in written English may be relatively good, I absolutely s*** at listening

That's why listening to old broadcasts by Murray Walker is so good. He speaks so clearly that I can follow well over 90% of what he says.