PMMF Planning Thread

Post by **Ataxia** » 30 Jul 2012, 23:05

Yeah, it's intended to be about FR2.0 level.

It's all academic at the moment, as GP3 doesn't seem to be working with Win7. I'm trying to get help for it at the moment though...

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 31 Jul 2012, 04:40

I'm in favour of a new feeder series, but I think that members that have teams in all 4 other series (i.e. me, Wizzie, AndreaModa, kostas etc.) shouldn't be allowed a team in this one (although a driver or two should be fine). It'll give a chance for those on the waiting lists to run a team.

Post by **tommykl** » 31 Jul 2012, 06:08

Since ENB's been in the F1RWRS, the young driver program only stretches back to F2RWRS, so I wouldn't have a team there anyway, but I'll probably get a driver in there, maybe two.

Also, to make things more clear about virtual series, the ideal thing would be a subforum for each series, though I doubt that it would be very practical for Jamie...

Post by **Nuppiz** » 31 Jul 2012, 08:41

the Masked Lapwing wrote:I'm in favour of a new feeder series, but I think that members that have teams in all 4 other series (i.e. me, Wizzie, AndreaModa, kostas etc.) shouldn't be allowed a team in this one (although a driver or two should be fine). It'll give a chance for those on the waiting lists to run a team.

I had a similar thing in mind for the "Technical F1" idea I wrote about here earlier. While prominent RWRS team owners wouldn't be banned completely from the series, non-F1RWRS team owners would be allowed to get a "head start" of, say, a week to make their choices before the current F1RWRS managers could come in and take whatever is left.

Now with single-make series, which is what this would be, it obviously wouldn't work, so I'm all for not allowing those who already have a teamin all RWRS series to get in here as well, unless the slots don't get filled otherwise.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 31 Jul 2012, 08:43

Nuppiz wrote:
the Masked Lapwing wrote:I'm in favour of a new feeder series, but I think that members that have teams in all 4 other series (i.e. me, Wizzie, AndreaModa, kostas etc.) shouldn't be allowed a team in this one (although a driver or two should be fine). It'll give a chance for those on the waiting lists to run a team.

I had a similar thing in mind for the "Technical F1" idea I wrote about here earlier. While prominent RWRS team owners wouldn't be banned completely from the series, non-F1RWRS team owners would be allowed to get a "head start" of, say, a week to make their choices before the current F1RWRS managers could come in and take whatever is left.

Before Wizzie came in and dominated the series using his extensive knowledge of GP2 despite never even touching the game before. :lol:

Post by **Nuppiz** » 31 Jul 2012, 08:46

Wizzie wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:
the Masked Lapwing wrote:I'm in favour of a new feeder series, but I think that members that have teams in all 4 other series (i.e. me, Wizzie, AndreaModa, kostas etc.) shouldn't be allowed a team in this one (although a driver or two should be fine). It'll give a chance for those on the waiting lists to run a team.

I had a similar thing in mind for the "Technical F1" idea I wrote about here earlier. While prominent RWRS team owners wouldn't be banned completely from the series, non-F1RWRS team owners would be allowed to get a "head start" of, say, a week to make their choices before the current F1RWRS managers could come in and take whatever is left.

Before Wizzie came in and dominated the series using his extensive knowledge of GP2 despite never even touching the game before.

Well, Technical F1 would be run with F1 Challenge 99-02, so your GP2 knowledge wouldn't help you at all. :twisted:

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 31 Jul 2012, 13:16

The only feeder series we really need would be FARWRS (Formula Atlantic Rejects World Racing Series) - that would offer something new, unlike a FF or Formula BMW series.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 31 Jul 2012, 15:33

Klon wrote:The only feeder series we really need would be FARWRS (Formula Atlantic Rejects World Racing Series) - that would offer something new, unlike a FF or Formula BMW series.

Or, more to the point, FNRWRS (Formula Nippon Rejects World Race Series), with the opportunity to create our own GMIFNRWRSP by finding a way to do voiced (and mixed, for extra chaotic value) commentary to the races.

OK, I'll go back to my padded cell...

Ferrarist · Post by **Ferrarist** » 31 Jul 2012, 17:26

Klon wrote:The only feeder series we really need would be FARWRS (Formula Atlantic Rejects World Racing Series) - that would offer something new, unlike a FF or Formula BMW series.

I'm planning on a feeder series for my IndyCar series, but if someone wants to do it on his own, I'll certainly sanction it.

Phoenix wrote:
Klon wrote:The only feeder series we really need would be FARWRS (Formula Atlantic Rejects World Racing Series) - that would offer something new, unlike a FF or Formula BMW series.

Or, more to the point, FNRWRS (Formula Nippon Rejects World Race Series), with the opportunity to create our own GMIFNRWRSP by finding a way to do voiced (and mixed, for extra chaotic value) commentary to the races.

OK, I'll go back to my padded cell...

Or we need this. Especially for the "Kurasheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Post by **Ataxia** » 31 Jul 2012, 18:54

I'll have to put this on hold because GP3's being a bitch...unless there's another F1 game out there easily moddable? (or if someone knows how to make GP3 live with Win7)...

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 01 Aug 2012, 05:24

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:I'll have to put this on hold because GP3's being a bitch...unless there's another F1 game out there easily moddable? (or if someone knows how to make GP3 live with Win7)...

Try using compatibility settings. If else fails, use GP2.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 01 Aug 2012, 05:27

FMecha wrote:
BaconLettuceNinja wrote:I'll have to put this on hold because GP3's being a bitch...unless there's another F1 game out there easily moddable? (or if someone knows how to make GP3 live with Win7)...

Try using compatibility settings. If else fails, use GP2.

I run GP4 in XP compatibility mode with admin rights to get it to work on Win7 so I'd imagine the settings for GP3 would be fairly similar.

Post by **Ataxia** » 01 Aug 2012, 14:40

Wizzie wrote:
FMecha wrote:
BaconLettuceNinja wrote:I'll have to put this on hold because GP3's being a bitch...unless there's another F1 game out there easily moddable? (or if someone knows how to make GP3 live with Win7)...

Try using compatibility settings. If else fails, use GP2.

I run GP4 in XP compatibility mode with admin rights to get it to work on Win7 so I'd imagine the settings for GP3 would be fairly similar.

Yeah, I've tried that all for GP3...I've tried getting help over at GPG as well, but it's still not working.

Might have to give GP2 a go...

EDIT: Whadda ya know? Works like a charm...cheers fellas

Let's get this show on the road...

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 01 Aug 2012, 19:17

the Masked Lapwing wrote:I'm in favour of a new feeder series, but I think that members that have teams in all 4 other series (i.e. me, Wizzie, AndreaModa, kostas etc.) shouldn't be allowed a team in this one (although a driver or two should be fine). It'll give a chance for those on the waiting lists to run a team.

As one of those specific members, I fully support this. I'll possibly throw in a driver or two, but only after others have their chance to enter first.

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 05 Aug 2012, 13:58

How about a single-make Life L190 series? :lol:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 10 Aug 2012, 18:31

darkapprentice77 wrote:How about a single-make Life L190 series?

It'll have a retirement rate equal to, or exceeding, that of REECCS.... 8-)

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 10 Aug 2012, 18:35

dr-baker wrote:
darkapprentice77 wrote:How about a single-make Life L190 series?

It'll have a retirement rate equal to, or exceeding, that of REECCS....

If you want at least one finisher, rthe races will all have to be 1 lap long :lol:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 10 Aug 2012, 18:38

pasta_maldonado wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
darkapprentice77 wrote:How about a single-make Life L190 series?

It'll have a retirement rate equal to, or exceeding, that of REECCS....

If you want at least one finisher, rthe races will all have to be 1 lap long

There would still be a 100% failure with one lap on the Isle of Man, the Nurburgring Nordschliefe, Le Mans, etc. You would need 1 lap at short tracks like Monaco, Brands Hatch Indy, Norisring, etc....

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 10 Aug 2012, 18:42

dr-baker wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:
dr-baker wrote:It'll have a retirement rate equal to, or exceeding, that of REECCS....

If you want at least one finisher, rthe races will all have to be 1 lap long

There would still be a 100% failure with one lap on the Isle of Man, the Nurburgring Nordschliefe, Le Mans, etc. You would need 1 lap at short tracks like Monaco, Brands Hatch Indy, Norisring, etc....

One lap on a good day that is

Most races wouldn't even have a finisher, not a matter of IF you would retire, a matter of WHEN.. :lol:

Post by **Nuppiz** » 10 Aug 2012, 18:43

darkapprentice77 wrote:How about a single-make Life L190 series?

You know, I'm tempted to do this on F1 Challenge some day. :lol:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 10 Aug 2012, 18:44

Nuppiz wrote:
darkapprentice77 wrote:How about a single-make Life L190 series?

You know, I'm tempted to do this on F1 Challenge some day.

It would be intriguing, that's for certain!

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 10 Aug 2012, 18:57

Look what I found on my rfactor install!

Look at those magnificent sleek lines

Passed it's crash tests with flying colours.

LOOK at the Life W12 engine. Just look at it. Now, a piece of REVOLUTIONARY and GLORIOUS engineering such as that definatel won't break down....

While looking at the livery the car sported for Hungary, I found this...

Why does the car have a U.S.S.R. STICKER ON IT?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 10 Aug 2012, 19:04

pasta_maldonado wrote:While looking at the livery the car sported for Hungary, I found this...

Why does the car have a U.S.S.R. STICKER ON IT?

Plus, what is the connection between this and Charles Pic? I'm intrigued...

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 10 Aug 2012, 19:04

pasta_maldonado wrote:While looking at the livery the car sported for Hungary, I found this...

Why does the car have a U.S.S.R. STICKER ON IT?

In Soviet Russia, you fail the engine!
(Maybe the W12 was a brilliant engineering feat but Giacomelli was too much of a tool to keep it running, who nose...)

Post by **Nuppiz** » 10 Aug 2012, 19:05

pasta_maldonado wrote:While looking at the livery the car sported for Hungary, I found this...

Why does the car have a U.S.S.R. STICKER ON IT?

That's what I've been wondering for ages. I tried to Google for more info but "pic" (or plc, not sure which) happens to be a very common word so it was impossible to find the information I was looking for.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 10 Aug 2012, 19:14

Nuppiz wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:While looking at the livery the car sported for Hungary, I found this...

Why does the car have a U.S.S.R. STICKER ON IT?

That's what I've been wondering for ages. I tried to Google for more info but "pic" (or plc, not sure which) happens to be a very common word so it was impossible to find the information I was looking for.

That answer appears to be untyPICal, doesn't it?
I'll get my coat...

Post by **Nuppiz** » 10 Aug 2012, 19:17

The Life L190 in F1 Challenge looks strikingly similar, but that's because IIRC it's made by the same guys as the rFactor version, and because both games are made by ISI so they use almost identical graphics.

FYI I've modified the Life in my game further: it was too fast and reliable in the basic version of the mod, so I made it slower, much less reliable (in some tests the engine has failed before I could complete a single lap!) and gave it V12 sounds instead of the Judd.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 10 Aug 2012, 19:49

Oh dear, now the engine failed as soon as I got out of the pitbox! :lol:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 10 Aug 2012, 19:53

Nuppiz wrote:Oh dear, now the engine failed as soon as I got out of the pitbox!

Post by **Nuppiz** » 10 Aug 2012, 19:59

dr-baker wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:Oh dear, now the engine failed as soon as I got out of the pitbox!

It was a really Perry McCarthy-esque failure - as soon as I applied full throttle it went bang.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 10 Aug 2012, 21:52

Nuppiz wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:Oh dear, now the engine failed as soon as I got out of the pitbox!

It was a really Perry McCarthy-esque failure - as soon as I applied full throttle it went bang.

We need a video of this :lol:

Post by **Nuppiz** » 10 Aug 2012, 22:17

JeremyMcClean wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:
dr-baker wrote:

It was a really Perry McCarthy-esque failure - as soon as I applied full throttle it went bang.

We need a video of this

Well here it is.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 11 Aug 2012, 02:53

Nuppiz wrote:Well here it is.

Thank you. And now we can put this up as one of the more glorious sounds in F1.

Or at least in F1Rejects anyways.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 11 Aug 2012, 22:24

dr-baker wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:
darkapprentice77 wrote:How about a single-make Life L190 series?

You know, I'm tempted to do this on F1 Challenge some day.

It would be intriguing, that's for certain!

So, after a few hours of cracking the inner workings of F1 Challenge, I finally managed to make a copy of the Life team that is set for a separate series and accepts two cars with distinct liveries. In essence, by copying this same team (and renaming it over and over again) I could now start a single-spec series consisting entirely of Life L190s with Life W12s, with each team/driver potentially having a separate livery.

However, I also need to think about the amount of spare time I have on my hands: even though it sometimes might seem indefinite to outsiders, I should probably soon run the last RoLFS test (which will take one-two days) and if I manage to get an on-the-job-training place, my time is reduced further starting from 20th August. Plus, I'm really intrigued to start "remastering" my GPM2 mods (by improving some of the graphics, fixing general errors and upgrading them to 1.02B exe), so I might not have time for another series.

On the other hand this series would run outside the RWRS universe and with little management as possible (meaning that the only upgrades you could buy would be for drivers), so it probably wouldn't be too hard to do a race once a week or so as there's no need to keep up with the other series' pace. And because it would be run on F1C, there would not be a forced gap on entries unlike in RoLFS, so for added rejectfulness we could even have grids of up to 40 drivers.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 12 Aug 2012, 13:26

Nuppiz wrote:So, after a few hours of cracking the inner workings of F1 Challenge, I finally managed to make a copy of the Life team that is set for a separate series and accepts two cars with distinct liveries. In essence, by copying this same team (and renaming it over and over again) I could now start a single-spec series consisting entirely of Life L190s with Life W12s, with each team/driver potentially having a separate livery.

However, I also need to think about the amount of spare time I have on my hands: even though it sometimes might seem indefinite to outsiders, I should probably soon run the last RoLFS test (which will take one-two days) and if I manage to get an on-the-job-training place, my time is reduced further starting from 20th August. Plus, I'm really intrigued to start "remastering" my GPM2 mods (by improving some of the graphics, fixing general errors and upgrading them to 1.02B exe), so I might not have time for another series.

On the other hand this series would run outside the RWRS universe and with little management as possible (meaning that the only upgrades you could buy would be for drivers), so it probably wouldn't be too hard to do a race once a week or so as there's no need to keep up with the other series' pace. And because it would be run on F1C, there would not be a forced gap on entries unlike in RoLFS, so for added rejectfulness we could even have grids of up to 40 drivers.

I certainly do not want you to take on more than you can manage, but if this comes to pass, I will be a happy boy and would definitely love to have a team in the series. (But I will be away again from next Friday to the following Wednesday, so if you open up the series in that time, this is a polite request to reserve a slot!).

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 12 Aug 2012, 13:29

Nuppiz wrote:So, after a few hours of cracking the inner workings of F1 Challenge, I finally managed to make a copy of the Life team that is set for a separate series and accepts two cars with distinct liveries. In essence, by copying this same team (and renaming it over and over again) I could now start a single-spec series consisting entirely of Life L190s with Life W12s, with each team/driver potentially having a separate livery.

However, I also need to think about the amount of spare time I have on my hands: even though it sometimes might seem indefinite to outsiders, I should probably soon run the last RoLFS test (which will take one-two days) and if I manage to get an on-the-job-training place, my time is reduced further starting from 20th August. Plus, I'm really intrigued to start "remastering" my GPM2 mods (by improving some of the graphics, fixing general errors and upgrading them to 1.02B exe), so I might not have time for another series.

On the other hand this series would run outside the RWRS universe and with little management as possible (meaning that the only upgrades you could buy would be for drivers), so it probably wouldn't be too hard to do a race once a week or so as there's no need to keep up with the other series' pace. And because it would be run on F1C, there would not be a forced gap on entries unlike in RoLFS, so for added rejectfulness we could even have grids of up to 40 drivers.

If you could explain to me how to get things working, I could potentially take this off your hands, what with having a copy of F1 Challenge myself.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 12 Aug 2012, 20:19

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:If you could explain to me how to get things working, I could potentially take this off your hands, what with having a copy of F1 Challenge myself.

Well I just went to our cottage to enjoy one last week away from regular computer access (at home I might spend 10-12 hours a day on it if I don't have school or work, so I need to take a break every now and then). I'll probably still get on the laptop almost every day, but only a couple of hours max.

Anyway, I should know by the end of this week whether or not I'm going to get that on-the-job-training place. If not, then my graduation will be postponed by half a year and I'm unlikely to get any other work for that period, so I'd have lots of free time for the rest of the year. But if I still get lucky and find that place, then I'll send you an e-mail which tells you all the steps needed to get this working.

Alas, I also noticed a typo in my previous post: by "forced gap" I of course meant "forced cap".

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 26 Aug 2012, 19:38

I have an Idea!

F1 Rejects does the Tour de France!
Using the wonderful "Pro Cycling Manager 2012" game to create our own version of the Tour. This post is a suggestion from Blind Cave Salemander to try and gather interest.

Now there I have two ideas:
Idea A) Where those interested create their own team and the 9 riders that take part in the tour.

or Idea B) Users create just one rider and place him in a team.

The second idea is easier but comes with the pitfall that if your rider is just a "team mate" it won't be all that interesting! Whilst the first idea is much more in depth. The way you create riders would be to pick attributes to specialize, for example sprint and acceleration for sprint finishers.

This will come down to if the idea is liked enough, I realise that there is a distinct lack of engines in this idea!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 26 Aug 2012, 19:54

As mentioned in the cycling thread, I'd be interested in this. Maybe we could do a mixture of Idea A and B, where some users create their own teams, whereas others just create rider(s) that team owners can select, sort of like F1RWRS?

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 26 Aug 2012, 20:13

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:As mentioned in the cycling thread, I'd be interested in this. Maybe we could do a mixture of Idea A and B, where some users create their own teams, whereas others just create rider(s) that team owners can select, sort of like F1RWRS?

This sounds like a much more flexible idea, I like it.