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Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!

Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 11:18
by tommykl
The entry list for Belgium closes on Friday at noon GMT +1

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!

Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 14:08
by Aerospeed
We'll stay the course though if Taruffi keeps being desperately slow then he'll get the boot.

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!

Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 16:57
by tommykl
JeremyMcClean wrote:We'll stay the course though if Taruffi keeps being desperately slow then he'll get the boot.

Surely firing a driver for one bad qualifying session is overreacting?

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!

Posted: 26 Dec 2012, 19:36
by Aerospeed
tommykl wrote:
JeremyMcClean wrote:We'll stay the course though if Taruffi keeps being desperately slow then he'll get the boot.

Surely firing a driver for one bad qualifying session is overreacting?


Well, when the other driver went 6th in the same session...

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!

Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 20:58
by simonracer
It's nice to finish a race well. Nello did a great job here.

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!

Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 10:27
by tommykl
The entry list for Spa is now closed with 38 entrants. No pre-qualifying session will be held.

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!

Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 11:48
by pi314159
38 entries for 34 grid places. One of my entrants might qualify.

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!

Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 16:41
by Nessafox
pi314159 wrote:38 entries for 34 grid places. One of my entrants might qualify.

There's a theoretical possibility that all my entires DNQ, and everyone else DQ's :D

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!

Posted: 05 Jan 2013, 10:20
by tommykl
Since Ferrari America failed to nominate a second driver, 37 cars will take part.

June 21st 1952, Belgian Grand Prix qualifying
Despite not winning a single race yet, Giuseppe Farina leads the world championship. Again. And he still doesn't seem to have any decent competition that is consistent enough to outscore him. The Gordinis and Talbots are too inconsistent, his Alfa Romeo teammates can't touch him in the long run and the Ferrari drivers are too far back, due to bad luck regarding reliability. But 8 races still remain. Could the championship change hands this season?

2. Joe Kelly (All-Ireland Motorsport)
4. B. Bira (Motorsport Bleu)
6. Harry Schell (Motorsport Bleu)
8. André Simon (Motorsport Bleu)
10. Louis Chiron (Scuderia Commesso)
12. Dries van der Lof (Scuderia Commesso)
14. Reg Parnell (Scuderia Ferrari)
16. Dorino Serafini (Scuderia Ferrari)
18. Peter Whitehead (Scuderia Ferrari)
20. Mike Hawthorn (Team Bentley)
22. David Hampshire (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
24. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team)
26. Consalvo Sanesi (Alexander Racing Team)
28. Johnny Claes (Claes Racing Developments)
30. Lance Macklin (Claes Racing Developments)
32. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari America)
34. Luigi Villoresi (Leader)
36. José Froilan Gonzalez (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
38. Piero Taruffi (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
40. Jean Behra (The Fighting Mongooses)
42. Roberto Mieres (Erne Racing Development)
44. Edgar Barth (Team Ultimate)
46. Onofre Marimon (Officine Alfieri Maserati)
48. Maurice Trintignant (Bugatti Grand Prix)
50. André Pilette (Bugatti Grand Prix)
52. Paul Frère (Ecurie Nationale Belge)
54. Jacques Swaters (Ecurie Nationale Belge)
56. Nello Pagani (Redman Racing Team)
58. Giovanni Bracco (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
60. Porfirio Rubirosa (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
62. Felice Bonetto (OSCA Automobili)
64. Maria Teresa de Filippis (Privateer)
66. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA)
68. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo SpA)
70. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA)
72. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
74. Rudi Fischer (International Racing Group)

Little run-down of the changes for this race:

-Harry Schell does his first of five races at Motorsport Bleu. Ferrari America is reduced to a single car for Troy Ruttman.
-Dries van der Lof appears for the first time this season at Commesso, for whom he competed last year at Indy and Zandvoort, where he will also race later this season.
-Following Toulo de Graffenried's neck injury at Donington, he will be replaced by Reg Parnell.
-Mike Hawthorn will attempt to make his first start (excluding Indy) in the Bentley, the first of his planned three appearances this season.
-David Hampshire returns to a single car for Belgium after John Riseley-Prichard's failure to make the grid. The Englishman's top-ten finish at Donington should be a boost in Spa.
-Leader returns for the Belgian Grand Prix, the mysterious Chinese consortium obviously looking to get Luigi Villoresi on the grid for once.
-Meanwhile, Birmingham Motorsport will not take part, preferring to stick to closer circuits.
-The Fighting Mongooses make their first appearance in Formula 1, also the first appearance of both the Cooper chassis and the Bristol engine. Jean Behra hopes to be quick enough to scrape onto the grid.
-Erne Racing Development also make their début, with rookie Roberto Mières. The Maserati should be quick, but will the driver live up to the car?
-Group Ultimate have finally wheeled out their own car, but will the unproven Ultiamte-BMW combination work as planned in the hands of East German F2 ace Edgar Barth?
-The works Maserati team is reduced to one car this weekend due to Paul Frère's agreement with ENB to compete with them for one race alongside Trintignant, Pilette and team boss Swaters.
-Despite Eric Brandon's splendid podium finish in Donington, Scuderia Maremmana have skipped the Belgian Grand Prix and are to come back only in Germany, leaving the promising British F3 champion out of a drive.
-O.S.C.A. finally kick off their first part-time season in Formula 1 in order to gather experience for a full-season tilt in 1953. Felice Bonetto will hope to qualify the car.
-Maria Teresa de Filippis takes part in her first race this season, also hoping to impress by making the grid.
-Rudi Fischer will also try to make the grid in the Maserati-Porsche after failing to do so in Monaco.

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Donington results up!

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 10:23
by tommykl
Performance results for qualifying

Juan Manuel Fangio - 83
Maria Teresa de Filippis - 89
Roberto Mieres - 91
Edgar Barth - 92
Piero Taruffi - 93
Alberto Ascari - 93
Mike Hawthorn - 94
Porfirio Rubirosa - 94
B. Bira - 95
Dorino Serafini - 95
Troy Ruttman - 95
Jean Behra - 95
Nello Pagani - 95
André Simon - 96
José Froilan Gonzalez - 96
Giuseppe Farina - 96
Louis Chiron - 97
David Hampshire - 97
Joe Kelly - 99
André Pilette - 99
Stirling Moss - 99
Harry Schell - 100
Paul Frère - 100
Dries van der Lof - 101
Johnny Claes - 101
Giovanni Bracco - 101
Felice Bonetto - 101
Consalvo Sanesi - 102
Lance Macklin - 102
Onofre Marimon - 103
Rudi Fischer - 104
Robert Manzon - 108
Peter Whitehead - 109
Jacques Swaters - 109
Reg Parnell - 114
Maurice Trintignant - 114
Luigi Villoresi - 115

Pole position is a foregone conclusion, but can you try to predict the rest?

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 11:24
by pi314159
Maria Teresa de Filippis most likely qualifies, while Felice Bonetto struggles, and OSCA might have to wait longer for their first race start.

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 14:01
by tommykl
Qualifying results

1. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) - 4:24.3
2. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) - 4:26.9
3. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) - 4:27.2
4. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 4:27.5
5. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Ferrari) - 4:27.7
6. André Simon (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 4:28.3
7. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari) - 4:28.5
8. Piero Taruffi (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 4:28.6
9. Nello Pagani (Maserati) - 4:28.8
10. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) - 4:29.0
11. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) - 4:29.1
12. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) - 4:29.3
13. André Pilette (Bugatti) - 4:29.8
14. Harry Schell (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) - 4:29.9
15. José Froilan Gonzalez (Aston Martin-Jaguar) - 4:30.1
16. Porfirio Rubirosa (Ambrosiana-Maserati) - 4:30.6
17. Robert Manzon (Gordini) - 4:30.9
18. Peter Whitehead (Ferrari) - 4:31.2
19. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) - 4:31.3
20. Johnny Claes (Maserati) - 4:31.4
21. David Hampshire (Alta) - 4:31.5
22. Roberto Mières (Ferrari) - 4:31.7
23. Reg Parnell (Ferrari) - 4:31.9
24. Paul Frère (Maserati) - 4:32.0
25. Maria Teresa de Filippis (Maserati) - 4:32.2
26. Jacques Swaters (Maserati) - 4:33.3
27. Lance Macklin (Maserati) - 4:33.3
28. Mike Hawthorn (Bentley) - 4:33.6
29. Rudi Fischer (Maserati-Porsche) - 4:33.6
30. Dries van der Lof (Maserati-Ferrari) - 4:33.8
31. Maurice Trintignant (Bugatti) - 4:33.8
32. Edgar Barth (Ultimate-BMW) - 4:34.3
33. Joe Kelly (ERA-Maserati) - 4:34.6
34. Felice Bonetto (O.S.C.A.) - 4:35.9
35. Jean Behra (Cooper-Bristol) - 4:36.4
36. Onofre Marimon (Maserati) - 4:36.5
37. Luigi Villoresi (Leader) - 4:37.5


Happy faces. Happy faces everywhere. Due to the large size of the starting grid, plenty of small-time teams and drivers would finally get their shot at proving their worth over a race distance. And there are loads of them at Spa this weekend.

Fangio confirms his outright pace, but still needs to translate this into concrete results. Ascari and Simon continue to impress. Taruffi finally shows pace in the Aston-Jaguar. Both Ambrosianas are in the top twenty, with Rubirosa bewilderingly reaching 16th place. David Hampshire scores the best qualifying result for an Alta with 21st place. Mières starts his first race from a promising 22nd. De Filippis becomes the first woman to start a race and leaves 12 macho men wondering how she could be faster than them.

Mike Hawthorn starts his first race in his third entry, getting the Bentley onto the grid. The Porsche engine makes its first start, as does Dries van der Lof. Edgar Barth makes the grid on his, his car's and his engine's début. Joe Kelly finally starts his first race after five unsuccessful attempts. O.S.C.A. scrape onto the grid to make their first start as well.

Of course, three drivers would have their names in red, and while Behra's failure was much expected due to the complete lack of experience from his team, chassis and engine, as was Villoresi's after a dismal and mistake-ridden lap, Marimon's absence from the grid is inexcusable, and a fourth consecutive failure to start the race will not do wonders for his job security.

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 14:59
by Salamander
Yeah, didn't think that would go too well. Oh well, we were still only half a second off of making the grid, that's not too bad for an entirely new outfit.

Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 15:00
by pi314159
tommykl wrote:
DanielPT wrote:
pi314159 wrote:OSCA are continuing to run their own car, but de Filippis would replace the old Maserati with a new Alfa if possible.


I am good with this. But tommykl needs to acknowledge it, of course.

I don't see the problem, since those races haven't happened yet :)


I've remembered now that I had announced that de Filippis would switch to Alfa Romeo. It's not a problem for me, since she has made it into the race, but would it be ok if she would drive the Alfa Romeo for the remaining races she entered?

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 15:02
by pasta_maldonado
Great job from Hawthorn there, still, I'm not confident that the car is good enough yet

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 15:09
by FantometteBR
Maserati now ponders about Marimón's replacement after again failing to qualify. According to Italian sources, Piero Taruffi, if he leaves his current team, is the most strong candidate for the seat, if available

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 15:27
by Aerospeed
If Taruffi keeps this pace up, he isn't going anywhere...

Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 15:39
by tommykl
pi314159 wrote:
tommykl wrote:
DanielPT wrote:I am good with this. But tommykl needs to acknowledge it, of course.

I don't see the problem, since those races haven't happened yet :)


I've remembered now that I had announced that de Filippis would switch to Alfa Romeo. It's not a problem for me, since she has made it into the race, but would it be ok if she would drive the Alfa Romeo for the remaining races she entered?

Sure, entries can always be changed :)

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Yeah, didn't think that would go too well. Oh well, we were still only half a second off of making the grid, that's not too bad for an entirely new outfit.

Actually, yours was the only car to have a total of 0 performance points :lol:

Also, since performance is based on the 10 previous races, the French Grand Prix should see a few changes in the spacing of the grid. Ten races ago was the 1950 Italian Grand Prix. For France, that race won't be counted anymore. This means that 11 drivers, 3 chassis makers, 3 entrants and 2 engine makers won't be ranked anymore and this should mean that the rear will be closely bunched and the front will be more spaced out.

Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 15:52
by Salamander
tommykl wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Yeah, didn't think that would go too well. Oh well, we were still only half a second off of making the grid, that's not too bad for an entirely new outfit.

Actually, yours was the only car to have a total of 0 performance points :lol:


Yeah, I figured it might not be that good a car. How can I make it better, if that's even possible?

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 16:48
by pasta_maldonado
When Bentley merged with BRM, did BRM's 15 entries transfer over to us?

To confirm, the team's name is now British Bentley Racing Motors, but chassis and engine remain the same.

Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 17:07
by tommykl
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
tommykl wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Yeah, didn't think that would go too well. Oh well, we were still only half a second off of making the grid, that's not too bad for an entirely new outfit.

Actually, yours was the only car to have a total of 0 performance points :lol:


Yeah, I figured it might not be that good a car. How can I make it better, if that's even possible?

By entering races with more grid spots and lucking onto the grid :P

pasta_maldonado wrote:When Bentley merged with BRM, did BRM's 15 entries transfer over to us?

To confirm, the team's name is now British Bentley Racing Motors, but chassis and engine remain the same.

As I saw it, Bentley only bought the BRM name...

Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 17:13
by pasta_maldonado
tommykl wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:When Bentley merged with BRM, did BRM's 15 entries transfer over to us?

To confirm, the team's name is now British Bentley Racing Motors, but chassis and engine remain the same.

As I saw it, Bentley only bought the BRM name...


I was under the impression that Bentley and BRM merged, as This (appears to) confirm in this post

Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 17:19
by tommykl
pasta_maldonado wrote:
tommykl wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:When Bentley merged with BRM, did BRM's 15 entries transfer over to us?

To confirm, the team's name is now British Bentley Racing Motors, but chassis and engine remain the same.

As I saw it, Bentley only bought the BRM name...


I was under the impression that Bentley and BRM merged, as This (appears to) confirm in this post

So they did...

Anyway, simply adding the entries wouldn't be really fair considering the level of the team, so I'll just give you six more entries so you'll have the 15 BRM would have had.

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 17:20
by takagi_for_the_win
Wow, Mieres in 22nd :o Given that I was expecting him to not even qualify, thats brilliant! Now to make it to the finish

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 17:26
by Londoner
And to think David Hampshire wanted to get rid of his Altas this season. :shock:

Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 22:21
by Nessafox
...

Yeah, but with BRM i cheated a little bit, without fully realising it. Because i shouldn't have the right to enter more than one entrant. I guess tommy will close off that sort of loophole now.
So basically i sold Bentley unexisting entry rights :oops: What i really wanted though, was that Bentley would take over the monstrous BRM V16 engine. Because it's awesome!

To be fair, you'd probably should give me 2 entries less, as i think i used BRM twice last year.

So on the qualifying results: it looks like Trintignant had drunk a little too much Cognac or Grand Marnier... He will probably not be drinking Champagne, that's for sure!

Re: Formula 1 - we recreate reality! 1952 season

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 22:27
by pasta_maldonado
This wrote:
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Yeah, but with BRM i cheated a little bit, without fully realising it. Because i shouldn't have the right to enter more than one entrant. I guess tommy will close off that sort of loophole now.
So basically i sold Bentley unexisting entry rights :oops: What i really wanted though, was that Bentley would take over the monstrous BRM V16 engine. Because it's awesome!

BRM are Bentley's engine design assistants now, the rumour is that a Brummie turned up to Bentley HQ and, when presented with the engine plans, shouted "more cylinders!" repeatedly :lol:

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 06 Jan 2013, 23:59
by simonracer
I'm pretty pleased with our qualifying performance. We were the fastest qualifying Maserati here, and we weren't too far off almost being in the top 5. We have our hopes up for the race, though of course, in this sport you can never be too hopeful, because anything can happen.

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 07 Jan 2013, 16:18
by tommykl
My stance on the Bentley-BRM events

-The team will be renamed British Bentley Racing Motors with no eventual performance changes effected by this change.

-The team gains BRM's entries, but forfeits Bentley's, to have an overall of 15 for the season. This leaves 13 for the remaining seven races.

-As I see it, the sale was legal. I stated that, in exceptional and occasional circumstances, a forum member was allowed to enter up to eight cars per race, but only four per team (leaving the member to create as many teams as he chose to for the occasion). This rule stays, but to reduce potential entry list sizes, this figure is reduced to six per member.

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 07 Jan 2013, 18:03
by tommykl
Race performance for Spa

Dorino Serafini -29
Lance Macklin -21
Dries van der Lof -21
André Simon -20
Porfirio Rubirosa -17
Giuseppe Farina -9
Nello Pagani -8
Maurice Trintignant
Robert Manzon -7
Peter Whitehead -6
Juan Manuel Fangio -6
Troy Ruttman -6
Johnny Claes -4
Mike Hawthorn -3
José Froilan Gonzalez -2
Louis Chiron -1
Rudi Fischer -1
Reg Parnell 0
André Pilette 1
Consalvo Sanesi 2
B. Bira 5
David Hampshire 5
Edgar Barth 5
Paul Frère 6
Felice Bonetto 6
Roberto Mières 9
Piero Taruffi 10
Jacques Swaters 13
Maria Teresa de Filippis 14
Joe Kelly 17
Stirling Moss 21
Harry Schell 23
Alberto Ascari 25
Giovanni Bracco 25

The scores are more tightly bunched due to the smaller amount of laps (29 of them). The performance advantage stays the same of course, the the difference over one lap will be much larger when it's adjusted.

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 07 Jan 2013, 19:16
by pasta_maldonado
tommykl wrote:My stance on the Bentley-BRM events

-The team will be renamed British Bentley Racing Motors with no eventual performance changes effected by this change.

-The team gains BRM's entries, but forfeits Bentley's, to have an overall of 15 for the season. This leaves 13 for the remaining seven races.

-As I see it, the sale was legal. I stated that, in exceptional and occasional circumstances, a forum member was allowed to enter up to eight cars per race, but only four per team (leaving the member to create as many teams as he chose to for the occasion). This rule stays, but to reduce potential entry list sizes, this figure is reduced to six per member.

Thanks for confirming that! In that case then, our existing entries remain the same, but with the following added:

Mike Hawthorn will drive in Italy, the US and Oz.
Roy Salvadori will drive in Holland and the US
Geoff Richardson will drive in the US

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 07 Jan 2013, 22:25
by RonDenisDeletraz
Are negative numbers good in this?

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 07 Jan 2013, 22:34
by Nessafox
Anyway, i'm still going to edit my entry list, as i decided Bugatti will not show up in US and Australia, instead, a third car will be run at the French GP. Also ENB will probably run a second Maserati in Italy.
ENB will still run at the US GP indirectly, with Van Acker running a private Kurtis-Kraft-Offy Pilette is invited to join him, he will be driving the 'Engelbert Special' which is an experimental Ferrari-BRM V16.

July 6th - French Grand Prix (Rouen-les-Essarts)
Car 1 - Bugatti Grand Prix - Bugatti - Maurice Trintignant
Car 2 - Bugatti Grand Prix - Bugatti - André Pilette
Car 3 - Bugatti Grand Prix - Bugatti - Eugène Chaboud
Car 4 - Ecurie Nationale Belge - Maserati - Roger Laurent

July 19th - British Grand Prix (Silverstone)
Car 1 - Bugatti Grand Prix - Bugatti - Maurice Trintignant
Car 2 - Bugatti Grand Prix - Bugatti - André Pilette
Car 3 - Ecurie Nationale Belge - Maserati - Jacques Swaters

August 3rd - German Grand Prix (Nürburgring)
Car 1 - Bugatti Grand Prix - Bugatti - Maurice Trintignant
Car 2 - Bugatti Grand Prix - Bugatti - André Pilette
Car 3 - Ecurie Nationale Belge - Maserati - Georges Berger

August 17th - Dutch Grand Prix (Zandvoort)
Car 1 - Bugatti Grand Prix - Bugatti - Maurice Trintignant
Car 2 - Bugatti Grand Prix - Bugatti - André Pilette
Car 3 - Ecurie Nationale Belge - Maserati - Jan Flinterman

September 7th - Italian Grand Prix (Monza)
Car 1 - Bugatti Grand Prix - Bugatti - Maurice Trintignant
Car 2 - Bugatti Grand Prix - Bugatti - André Pilette
Car 3 - Ecurie Nationale Belge - Maserati - Charles De Tornaco
Car 4 - Ecurie Nationale Belge - Maserati - Jacques Swaters

October 5th - United States Grand Prix (Sebring)
Car 1 - Ecurie Nationale Belge - Kurtis Kraft - Offenhauser - Charles Van Acker
Car 2 Ecurie Nationale Belge - Ferrari - BRM - André Pilette

November 2nd - Australian Grand Prix (Leyburn)
none

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 08 Jan 2013, 14:25
by tommykl
eurobrun wrote:Are negative numbers good in this?

They're the best, in fact :)

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 08 Jan 2013, 16:28
by tommykl
I have determined the retirements, and there will be 22 cars finishing the race.

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 08 Jan 2013, 23:35
by RonDenisDeletraz
I am really hoping Dries Van der Lof didn't fail to finish.

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 09 Jan 2013, 08:47
by AdrianSutil
Well if Manzon finishes, he should be in the points. Sanesi? Doubt it.

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa qualifying up!

Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 12:31
by tommykl
June 22nd 1952, Belgian Grand Prix

The race started out cleanly, with Serafini getting the edge over Fangio. Ascari had the best start, moving up to third place by the end of the first lap, and Rubirosa also had a surprisingly good start, moving up to fourteenth position. The overall loser on the first lap though was Reg Parnell, who, after a decent start, failed to show up, with the clutch letting go halfway around the track, leaving the Briton with a long walk back to the paddock. He was joined on the next lap by Piero Taruffi and David Hampshire, also struck down by car problems on the tough Belgian circuit.

With everyone settled down at the end of lap two, Serafini and Fangio are still going at it for the lead ahead of Farina and Bira, Ascari having dropped back to fifth place. Simon, Ruttman, Pagani, with Chiron, Sanesi and Moss fighting for ninth position.

But with so much time for overtaking, positions were changing constantly. Only Fangio and Serafini escaped, each of them pulling the other further ahead by setting consecutive fastest laps. With five laps down, the two were miles ahead, with Farina, Bira, Ascari and Simon fighting for the remaining podium place. Then, the teamperature rose.

Louis Chiron was the first to fall victim of the intense heat, retiring from eleventh place. He was soon followed by the valiant Felice Bonetto, who was doing a decent job of keeping Joe Kelly behind. At that point, the front was getting more spread out. Fangio and Serafini were still in a league of their own, with the Italian marginally ahead, with Farina and Bira in a similar fight for third. Simon was in an isolated fifth position, while Sanesi, Moss, Ruttman, Pagani and Ascari were all in an intense battle for sixth position. De Filippis ended her maiden race early as well, driving in an anonymous 25th position.

Then, while Bira began to slow, Farina gained speed and soon caught up to Fangio and Serafini! At that moment, Ascari's Phoenix stopped by the side of the road, engine blown. He was fighting for seventh with Sanesi. He was joined in retirement by Paul Frère, who had been driving a decent race in 18th position in his Maserati.

At the halfway point, 26 cars were still in the race. Serafini had pulled away into a now large lead, with Fangio now having to defend from the defending double world champion and team mate Giuseppe Farina and André Simon, who had found a considerable amount of speed. Bira was keeping a lonely and stable fifth position. Pagani and Ruttman were fighting for sixth place. Then came Manzon, Sanesi, Whitehead, Gonzalez, Rubirosa (!!!), Moss and Pilette, all closely grouped. The field was rounded out by Schell, Claes, Bracco, Macklin, van der Lof, Fischer, Swaters, Trintignant, Mières, Hawthorn, Barth and Kelly.

The next to retire was Nello Pagani, who was in seventh place, immediately followed by Lance Macklin, who was in 18th place, and Joe Kelly, who was pretty much put out of his misery, since he was miles behind Edgar Barth and lapped multiple times. At this point, Simon was flying and now well past Fangio and Farina and in second place!

But the Talbot-Lago is still a slower car than the Alfa, and unlike in Monaco, the track is wide and fast. Simon was no match for Farina, who slipstreamed past on lap 22. But while doing so, he made a mistake and Simon managed to take second place again! Four laps later, however, Farina breezed past once more, never to be caught. The last retirement of the race occurred on the penultimate lap, when Sanesi, who was sportingly jockeying for seventh with Manzon, put two wheels on the grass at La Source and went spinning, stalling the car on the exit of the corner.

And so, while Serafini and Farina were well settled in their positions, Fangio was catching up to Simon, and both entered the final lap locked in battle. After a lap full of slipstreaming, both entered La Source side by side. Simon purposefully exited the corner behind Fangio, but getting more exit speed to jump the Argentine on the line to score his second podium of the season. After a tough fight, Bira managed to hold off Troy Ruttman for the final points, but both will be happy, as this is the 22-year-old's best result so far.

There were some pleasant surprises, such as Ruttman's sixth place, confirming that the American has undeniable talent, but also Robert Manzon, Jacques Swaters and Peter Whitehead, each gaining ten places, Dries van der Lof gaining 13 and Trintignant gaining 16 to salvage 15th place, Porfirio Rubirosa scoring a top-ten depsite low attrition as well as Mières, Hawthorn, Fischer and Barth all making it to the end, gaining precious money and experience to develop the cars. The final point for fastest lap was shared between Giuseppe Farina and Manzon.

Serafini scores Ferrari's first points of the season in style with a crushing victory, Farina keeps the championship lead despite scoring no wins so far, André Simon is now the second driver to score multiple podiums this season, Fangio finally scores his first points from race position since France last season and Bira scores points again, perhaps crucially preventing Ruttman scoring points for Group Ultimate in the entrants' championship.

1. Dorino Serafini (Ferrari) 2:50:11.7
2. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo) +2:50.5
3. André Simon (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +3:13.7
4. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo) +3:13.8
5. B. Bira (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +1 lap
6. Troy Ruttman (Ferrari) +1 lap
7. Robert Manzon (Gordini) +1 lap
8. Peter Whitehead (Ferrari) +1 lap
9. André Pilette (Bugatti) +1 lap
10. Porfirio Rubirosa (Ambrosiana-Maserati) +1 lap
11. José Froilan Gonzalez (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +1 lap
12. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo) +2 laps
13. Harry Schell (Talbot-Lago-Talbot) +2 laps
14. Johnny Claes (Maserati) +2 laps
15. Maurice Trintignant (Bugatti) +2 laps
16. Jacques Swaters (Maserati) +2 laps
17. Dries van der Lof (Maserati-Ferrari) +2 laps
18. Consalvo Sanesi (Gordini) +3 laps/Spun off
19. Giovanni Bracco (Ambrosiana-Maserati) +3 laps
20. Roberto Mières (Ferrari) +3 laps
21. Rudi Fischer (Maserati-Porsche) +3 laps
22. Mike Hawthorn (Bentley) +3 laps
23. Edgar Barth (Ultimate-BMW) +3 laps
Ret. Joe Kelly (ERA-Maserati) +11 laps/Overheating
Ret. Lance Macklin (Maserati) +12 laps/Transmission
Ret. Nello Pagani (Maserati) +13 laps/Steering
Ret. Paul Frère (Maserati) +17 laps/Engine
Ret. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix-Ferrari) +18 laps/Engine
Ret. Maria Teresa de Filippis (Maserati) +21 laps/Gearbox
Ret. Felice Bonetto (O.S.C.A.) +23 laps/Engine
Ret. Louis Chiron (Maserati-Ferrari) +24 laps/Exhaustion
Ret. Piero Taruffi (Aston Martin-Jaguar) +28 laps/Gearbox
Ret. David Hampshire (Alta) +28 laps/Transmission
Ret. Reg Parnell (Ferrari) +29 laps/Clutch

Fastest lap: Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo)/Robert Manzon (Gordini) - 4:24.5

Championship standings
Driver's championship

1. Giuseppe Farina - 18.5
2. André Simon - 12
3. Robert Manzon - 11.5
4. Dorino Serafini - 8
5. Alberto Ascari - 4 (1 3rd, 1 DNQ, 1 Ret)
6. Eric Brandon - 4 (1 3rd, 1 Ret)
7. Juan Manuel Fangio - 4 (1 4th)
8. B. Bira - 4 (2 5ths)
9. Consalvo Sanesi - 3
10. Nello Pagani - 2
11. Reg Parnell - 1

Constructor's championship
1. Alfa Romeo - 18.5
2. Talbot-Lago-Talbot - 12
3. Gordini - 11.5
4. Ferrari - 9
5. Ferrari-Jaguar - 4 (1 3rd, 1 8th)
6. Phoenix-Ferrari - 4 (1 3rd, 1 Ret)
7. Maserati - 2

Entrant's championship
1. Alfa Romeo SpA - 18.5
2. Motorsport Bleu - 12
3. Alexander Racing Team - 11.5
4. Scuderia Ferrari - 8
5. Scuderia Maremmana - 4 (1 3rd, 1 8th)
6. Phoenix Racing Organisation - 4 (1 3rd, 1 Ret)
7. Redman Racing Team - 2

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa race results up!

Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 19:50
by tommykl
The next race will be the French Grand Prix with 24 starters. With already 36 entries, there will be pre-qualifying. I haven't looked through the entry list to see if there were any I could turn down, but Motorsport Bleu and Ferrari America both have TBA entries, so clarification would be a good idea ;)

Re: F1WRCR 1952 season - Spa race results up!

Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 19:54
by AdrianSutil
Is Aldo Gordini cleared to race for ART-Gordini at his home race?