Grand Prix Rejects

1978 Fords please - otherwise, 1977 one will be enough for ATS.

pycku wrote:

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:

pycku wrote:Just a quick remind: We are still selling one of our driving places. Price is 60k per race or 900k for full season. For Brabham it is 700k for full season or 50 k per race and for Keke Rosberg it is 500 k for whole season and 50 k per race.

McLaren would like to reserve a seat for the last 3 Grands Prix, with the driver to be anounced after the 13th race.

I'm waiting for Takagi's offer, then I may negotiate with you. If I find who to drive our second car for the whole year, I'll let Lafitte to Martini.

How about 400 k for the season? We're not made of money y'know!

Also, we'll switch to 78 spec Cossies. Cheaper and more dependable

how about 400 k for the season except for the last 3 races?

pycku wrote:how about 400 k for the season except for the last 3 races?

Hmm, 375 k?

Well 400k is more than twice less than i wanted at first. So I wont go down.

Entry list on the Wiki: http://f1alternate.shoutwiki.com/wiki/1 ... nd_Drivers

Theodore will happily listen to an offers of cold hard cash to any drivers who want to drive.

Theodore will also take a supply of Ferrari engines.

How has Reutemann not managed to get a seat?

SuperAguri wrote:Theodore will happily listen to an offers of cold hard cash to any drivers who want to drive.

Theodore will also take a supply of Ferrari engines.

All Ferrari engines are taken. If you want a poweful engine, you can still hava Matras. The other options are old Cosworths and BRMs.

Ataxia [BacLettNinj] wrote:How has Reutemann not managed to get a seat?

Because no one was interested in signing him, I looked all the offers through, as I couldn't quite believe it.

We kept our numbers (I mean the LEC numbers), but are we jumping the pre-qualification?

pycku wrote:We kept our numbers (I mean the LEC numbers), but are we jumping the pre-qualification?

There are 25 cars entered by constructors which were placed better than LEC in 1977, so through taking over LEC's entry, Fittipaldi escapes pre-qualifying for races with regular 26-car grids. For races with more than 26 starters, both cars escape pre-qualifying.

pi314159 wrote:

Ataxia [BacLettNinj] wrote:How has Reutemann not managed to get a seat?

Because no one was interested in signing him, I looked all the offers through, as I couldn't quite believe it.

Too expensive, maybe? At least for the mid to low teams, but for the big ones... It is a surprise that the Argentinian wasn't offered a chance. Depending on the money and development for the year, maybe not all is lost for Reutemann.

I can offer him the chance to drive at home soil instead of young gun Giacomelli, and if he likes the ride, maybe we can talk about sharing...

Boro will enter Ricardo Zunino for the South American races. We will be running just the one car.

pi314159 wrote:

pycku wrote:We kept our numbers (I mean the LEC numbers), but are we jumping the pre-qualification?

There are 25 cars entered by constructors which were placed better than LEC in 1977, so through taking over LEC's entry, Fittipaldi escapes pre-qualifying for races with regular 26-car grids. For races with more than 26 starters, both cars escape pre-qualifying.

Pi, seeing as we have far more constructors than reality, how about raising the grid limit to 28?

pasta_maldonado wrote:

pi314159 wrote:

pycku wrote:We kept our numbers (I mean the LEC numbers), but are we jumping the pre-qualification?

There are 25 cars entered by constructors which were placed better than LEC in 1977, so through taking over LEC's entry, Fittipaldi escapes pre-qualifying for races with regular 26-car grids. For races with more than 26 starters, both cars escape pre-qualifying.

Pi, seeing as we have far more constructors than reality, how about raising the grid limit to 28?

I'll extend the grid to 28 cars on mist circuits. Only Monaco and Jarama stay limited to 26 cars.
By the way, would you like to use the original 1978 calendar or would you like some changes?

pi314159 wrote:

pasta_maldonado wrote:

pi314159 wrote:There are 25 cars entered by constructors which were placed better than LEC in 1977, so through taking over LEC's entry, Fittipaldi escapes pre-qualifying for races with regular 26-car grids. For races with more than 26 starters, both cars escape pre-qualifying.

Pi, seeing as we have far more constructors than reality, how about raising the grid limit to 28?

I'll extend the grid to 28 cars on mist circuits. Only Monaco and Jarama stay limited to 26 cars.
By the way, would you like to use the original 1978 calendar or would you like some changes?

Personally, I'd prefer to stick to the original calendar.

pi314159 wrote:

Ataxia [BacLettNinj] wrote:How has Reutemann not managed to get a seat?

Because no one was interested in signing him, I looked all the offers through, as I couldn't quite believe it.

Is it too late to offer him 300 to drive at Williams

eurobrun wrote:

pi314159 wrote:

Ataxia [BacLettNinj] wrote:How has Reutemann not managed to get a seat?

Because no one was interested in signing him, I looked all the offers through, as I couldn't quite believe it.

Is it too late to offer him 300 to drive at Williams

No, it's not. I guess you want to replace Pescarolo?

Prize money has been added to the budgets, which can be found on page 1.

I have some questions about the entries:

Merzario, Shadow and Theodore still have to pick an engine. Available are Matras and last year's Ford Cosworths.

March and Apollon still have to announce their full team name, since they didn't compete in real-life 1978.

Merzario still need to announce a driver. As long as you don't name anyone, Arturo himself will drive the car.


Ther will be a free pre-season test again. Please tell me if you want to take part and which track you prefer.

Ligier will take part in the pre-season test with our two main drivers. We'd prefer the test to take place at Paul Ricard.

And just under 5 million to start the year? Not bad, not bad indeed. Looks like we could actually make something of this year.

Since Takagi for the win still has not accepted the offer, we are running both Emerson and Jacques at the test. We prefer some british track, Brands Hatch maybe, but it is up to other team owners, who are testing in UK.

Last season there was a rule stating you can spend 2.5 mln in pre-season development. Does that stands for 1978?

Tyrrell will take part of the free pre-season test, with their current drivers

pycku wrote:Since Takagi for the win still has not accepted the offer, we are running both Emerson and Jacques at the test. We prefer some british track, Brands Hatch maybe, but it is up to other team owners, who are testing in UK.

Last season there was a rule stating you can spend 2.5 mln in pre-season development. Does that stands for 1978?

There's again a pre season development limit of 2.400.000.

then I'll spend it like that:

900k on top speed
900k on grip, 300k of which - on ground effect
600k on reliability

We are focusing on the grip of the car

Ligier's gonna take the gamble and split our money as follows:

600k handling
750k top speed
600k reliability
450k ground effects

And, if possible, we'd like to focus on ground effects during the upcoming pre-season test.

Wolf will spend 1.8 million in development, 600k for top speed, grip and reliability. Ground effect upgrades may come later in the season.

Brabham will spend

1.000.000 on Ground effects
250.000 on reliability
650.000 on Handling
500.000 on top speed

We would like to focus on ground effects at the Pre season test, where we will run our two race drivers

After an advice from Willy Kauhsen, Kojima will spend a lot of development in Ground effect, precisely: 400K. Also 100K on reliability, 100K on grip and 100K on top speed. They will be in the test, focussing on the ground effect.

Can someone please remind me the whole staff with ground effect - how it works in the game and at what e? Also will there be a ban in future?

Thank u

Now what am I going to do with all this money....

Well, first we'll spend 2.4 million on development, split like so:

850k grip
850k top speed
700k reliability

McLaren will also invest 1.6 million into developing ground effects, possibly more depending on what other people (read: Stramala) do. We will also be attending the pre-season test, focusing on ground effects; the drivers will be James Hunt, Tom Pryce, and Danny Ongais, with an invitation sent to Carlos Reutemann if he's not doing anything. We also suggest that it is held at Brands Hatch again.

For Surtees:
1,200,000 top speed
1,200,000 grip

And yes, I know about the new reliability rules.

Renault will spend the following:

600K - Grip
600K - Top Speed
600K - Reliability
600K - Ground Effects

We'd also like to focus on speed at the test (and we'd like to vote for Paul Ricard too.)

Ensign will do the following upgrades
Grip: 800k
Top Speed: 400k
Reliability: 400k
Ground Effects: 800k

And both drivers will take part in the free pre-season testing

Ferrari will participate at the pre-season test with GV and Patrese. Development spend TBA. Not sure why McLaren has spend 2.4M on the three main components, an then an extra 1.6M on ground effect on top of that? Is that really allowed?

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:Ferrari will participate at the pre-season test with GV and Patrese. Development spend TBA. Not sure why McLaren has spend 2.4M on the three main components, an then an extra 1.6M on ground effect on top of that? Is that really allowed?

As far as I'm aware this is not allowed, but if Pi says that ground effects are separate to the 3 areas then we'll have to recalculate our numbers.

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:Ferrari will participate at the pre-season test with GV and Patrese. Development spend TBA. Not sure why McLaren has spend 2.4M on the three main components, an then an extra 1.6M on ground effect on top of that? Is that really allowed?

It's not allowed. However, the new upgrade regulations allow him to buy the 1.6M ground effect upgrade directly after the first race.

pi314159 wrote:

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:Ferrari will participate at the pre-season test with GV and Patrese. Development spend TBA. Not sure why McLaren has spend 2.4M on the three main components, an then an extra 1.6M on ground effect on top of that? Is that really allowed?

It's not allowed. However, the new upgrade regulations allow him to buy the 1.6M ground effect upgrade directly after the first race.

I see. Well, in that case...

FERRARI PRE-SEASON DEVELOPMENT
Grip: 900K
Topspeed: 900K
Reliability: 600K

After race one:
Ground Effect: 1.6M

pi314159 wrote:

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:Ferrari will participate at the pre-season test with GV and Patrese. Development spend TBA. Not sure why McLaren has spend 2.4M on the three main components, an then an extra 1.6M on ground effect on top of that? Is that really allowed?

It's not allowed. However, the new upgrade regulations allow him to buy the 1.6M ground effect upgrade directly after the first race.

How much money do we have AFTER driver contracts and engine supplies? I need to know that before I calculate our stats