Grand Prix Rejects

good_Ralf wrote:

Hermann95 wrote:Budget update
including tyres and already signed drivers.
Euro Brun -2,5m$

How did I blow it?

Because you had $5m left after signing your engines, and then proceeded to spend FAR too much on drivers...

Are you counting Gray Brabham's money in Dallara's case? All three drivers will be on the tests

Ataxia wrote:

good_Ralf wrote:

Hermann95 wrote:Budget update
including tyres and already signed drivers.
Euro Brun -2,5m$

How did I blow it?

Because you had $5m left after signing your engines, and then proceeded to spend FAR too much on drivers...

Yeah, 4 million for Heinz-Harald Frentzen? In 1990? 2 million for Allan McNish? 1 million on a test driver? That's not exactly going to leave you with a rosy budget, especially when you're Eurobrun.

Salamander wrote:

Ataxia wrote:

good_Ralf wrote:
How did I blow it?

Because you had $5m left after signing your engines, and then proceeded to spend FAR too much on drivers...

Yeah, 4 million for Heinz-Harald Frentzen? In 1990? 2 million for Allan McNish? 1 million on a test driver? That's not exactly going to leave you with a rosy budget, especially when you're Eurobrun.

If anything you should have got Merc to pay YOU to put Frentzen in the car.

You also should have put another paydriver in the testing role, and cut your price for McNish by at least 50%. But I guess as we all know in the PMMF, management by incompetence and ignorance is where the real fun is.

Wizzie wrote:

Salamander wrote:Yeah, 4 million for Heinz-Harald Frentzen? In 1990? 2 million for Allan McNish? 1 million on a test driver? That's not exactly going to leave you with a rosy budget, especially when you're Eurobrun.

If anything you should have got Merc to pay YOU to put Frentzen in the car.

You also should have put another paydriver in the testing role, and cut your price for McNish by at least 50%. But I guess as we all know in the PMMF, management by incompetence and ignorance is where the real fun is.

That is inexperience for you. I got two excellent drivers but though buying them with too much money. Oh well, at least I'll be having fun racing or not .

SeedStriker wrote:Are you counting Gray Brabham's money in Dallara's case? All three drivers will be on the tests

No, you just bid for him at the moment! But there is no other bid for him so the chance of signing him is very high for you!

For the money: Don't wory about your budget to much! You will have the chance to get the money back with scoring points(in case of eurobrun(0.00000000001%), finish in the top ten of the constructors championship(again0,0000000000001%) or with sponsors at the beginning of 1991(realistic chance of of getting up to 5m$ or even more!). Only if a team start 1991(after the sponsoring thing) with no money it will go bankrupt.

Driver draft 2

Ferrari

Saturo Nakajima has offers from Ferrari(2)3m$, Coloni(2)0.4m$, Tyrell(2)1m$ and Arrwos(1or2) pay2m$.
I think Coloni and Arrwos have no chance of signing him because of the Ferrari bid.
1-95...Ferrari
96-100...Tyrell
39 as expected Nakajima joins Ferrari as 2nd driver.

Yannik Dalmas has only one offer from Ferrari(3)0.5m$. He accept.

Tyrell

Nigel Mansell has offers from Tyrell(1)8m$, Brabham(2)8m$ and Arrwos(1)4m$
1-60...Tyrell
61-85...Brabham
86-100...Arrows
63 Mansell don't sign with Tyrell again! He sign with Brabham to partner de Cesaris.

Martin Brundle has offers from Tyrell(1)5m$ and Arrows(1)1m$.
1-80...Tyrell
81-100...Arrows
8 Brundle sign with Tyrell and will be their number 1 driver.

Mark Blundell has only one offer from Tyrell(2)1m$. He will accept and partner Martin Brundle.

Arrows

Rene Arnoux has only one offer from Arrows(1) to driver for free. Will he accept or retire?
1-50...Arrows
51-100...retire from F1
46 Arnoux will race another year in F1. He tries to help out Arrows because they are low on money and driver for free.

Mauricio Gugelmin has offers from Arrows(2)pay1m$ Larrouse(2)pay1m$ and Osella(2)0.2m$
1-60...Osella
61-90...Arrows
91-100...Larrousse
15he is hoping for the Osella cockpit. Otherwise he would like to join any team as test driver for free!

Mika Häkkinen has offers from Arrows(2)pay0.5m$ and Larrousse(3)2m$.
1-50...Arrows
51-100...Larrousse
22 he would like to join Arrows in order to get a racing seat! But can he pay?
1-20...can't offer some money
21-55...0.5m$
56-75...1m$
76-90...1.5m$
91-100...2m$
22 he is able to pay and will join Arrows as number 2 driver.

Damon Hill has an offer from Arrows to join as test driver if he pays 2m$.
1-20...can't offer some money
21-55...0.5m$
56-75...1m$
76-90...1.5m$
91-100...2m$
91 he is able to pay and will join Arrows as test driver.

Osella

Piercarlo Ghinzani has only one offer from Osella to driver as 2nd driver for 0.2m$. He accept and partner Olivier Grouillard. In this case Gugelmin is a free driver.

Dallara

Gary Brabham signs with Dallara as a test driver and pays 1m$.

Larrousse

Alessandro Zanardi has only the offer from Larrouse(2)2m$. He accept.

Paolo Barilla has offers from Larrousse(3)pay2m$ and Coloni(1)0.4m$.
1-85...Coloni
86-100...Larrousse
74 he is the first driver who joins Coloni.

Johnny Herbert accept the offer from Larrousse(3)1m$.

This was the second driver draft. The only racing seat which is still free is the second one at Coloni.

List of still free drivers:

Alex Caffi
Andrea Chiesa
Andrea Montermini
Bernd Schneider
Bruno Giacomelli
Christian Danner
Claudio Langes
Eddie Cheever
Emanuele Pirro
Giani Morbidelli
Joachim Winkelhock
Jonathan Palmer
Marco Apicella
Martin Donnelly
Philippe Alliot

Driver line ups:

Ferrari Nelson Piquet(1)10m$ Saturo Nakajima(2)3m$ Yannik Dalmas(3)0,5m$
Tyrell Martin Brundle(1)5m$ Mark Blundell(2)1m$ Eddie Irvine(3)0,5m$
Williams Thierry Boutsen(1)7,5m$ Stefano Modena(2)3m$ Karl Wendlinger(3)0,5m$
Brabham Andrea de Cesari(1)2m$ Nigel Mansell(2)8m$ Aguri Suzuki(3)0,5m$
Footwork Arrows Rene Arnoux(1)0m$ Mika Häkkinen(2)-0,5m$ Damon Hill(3)-2m$
Lotus Gerhard Berger(1)6m$ Eric van der Poele(2)2m$ vacant
Osella Olivier Grouillard(1)0,25m$ Piercarlo Ghinzani(2)0,2m$ Thomas Danielsson(3)-0,4m$
Leyton House Ivan Capelli(1)8m$ Riccardo Patrese(2)4m$ Eric Bernard(3)1,5m$
AGS Bertand Gachot(1)0,75m$ Johnny Dumfries(2)-2m$ Emmanuel Collard(3)-0,5m$
Benneton Ayrton Senna(1)12m$ Alessandro Nannini(2)5m$ Michael Schumacher(3)2m$
BMS-Dallara Gabriele Tarqunini(1)0,5m$ Nicola Larini(2)0,5m$ Gary Brabham(3)-1m$
Minardi Michele Alboreto(1)4m$ Fabrizio Giovanardi-1m$ vacant
Ligier Derek Warwik(1)5m$ Roberto Moreno(2)2m$ Erik Comas(3)0,5m$
Mclaren Alain Prost(1)12,5m$ Jean Alesi(2)4m$ vacant
Larrousse Pierluigi Martini(1)5m$ Alessandro Zanardi(2)2m$ Johnny Herbert(3)1m$
Coloni Paolo Barilla(1)0.4m$ vacant vacant
Euro Brun Heinz Harald Frentzen(1)4m$ Allan McNish(2)2m$ JJ Lehto(3)1m$
Onyx Stefan Johansson(1)1m$ Gregor Foitek(2)1m$ vacant

Updated Budgets
Ferrari 19m$
Tyrell 6m$
Williams 14,5m$
Brabham 1,2m$
Footwork Arrows 6m$
Lotus 3,5m$
Osella 5,65m$
Leyton House 3,2m$
AGS 5,25m$
Benneton 12,5m$
BMS-Dallara 1,5m$
Minardi 2,7m$
Ligier 2m$
Mclaren 8m$
Larrousse 8,7m$
Coloni 0,1m$
Euro Brun -2,5m$
Onyx 4,5m$

well, we missed Nugel Mansel and Martin Brundle and we wont have any British driver racing for us. However, we are more than happy Rene Arnoux joined our team and so did Mika Hakkinen, so we combine experience and youth. Damon Hill is another talented driver that we are giving a chance and if he astonishes us we will put him in a racing role.

Mika Hakkinen is said to be future champion, so let's see what he is capable of. Arnoux promised to teach him all he can, so our aim is points finish every race.

Great, I have a full Italian racer line-up at a French team. Martini and rookie Zanardi might cause some surprises. Herbert for test driver could be a good idea too.

Honestly, with our Senna/Nanninni driver line-up, a chassis penned by Rory Byrne and with John Barnard as Technical Director, I think we should be shoo-ins for at least fourth, even with our duff, year old engines.

Lotus will offer Claudio Lnges the test driver role if he pays $2 million

If Alex Caffi can stump up $0.5m in cash, I will consider dropping Collard and put Dumfries as our test driver. Is that possible, Hermann?

Ataxia wrote:If Alex Caffi can stump up $0.5m in cash, I will consider dropping Collard and put Dumfries as our test driver. Is that possible, Hermann?

Yeah, but Collard will be pissed of and not signing with you next year(if you bid for him) and there is a chance that Dumfries pul out of the contract because he has no racing seat anymore!

Lotus

Claudio Langes
1-20...can't offer some money
21-55...0.5m$
56-75...1m$
76-90...1.5m$
91-100...2m$
24 he can only provide 0.5m$

AGS

Alex Caffi
1-20...can't offer some money
21-55...0.5m$
56-75...1m$
76-90...1.5m$
91-100...2m$
74 he is able to bring the neccesary money!

Johnny Dumfries contract pull out:
1-30...stay in contract
31-70....give only half the money to the team(1m$)
71-100....leaf the team and take the money with him
82 Dummfries would leaf the team if Alex Caffi is new 2nd driver!
Please confirm if you want Caffi as new 2nd driver.

So Caffi would bring $1m? I guess that's still a bonus, and I get a better driver. Sod it, I'll let Dumfries go and keep Collard in the test seat.

So, AGS will now have...

Driver 1: Bertrand Gachot
Driver 2: Alex Caffi
Test Driver: Emmanuel Collard

I hope that's good to go, because it's a promising lineup.

Car upgrades

Car upgrades are a more complexe thing. You can focus on different things during a test sesion with each car. These things will be:
Front Wing
Air Box
Floor
Rear Wing
Suspension
Steering System
Cooling System
Electrical System
Gearbox
Engine(only if the supplier wants it)
Tyres(only if the supplier wants it)
If you focus on a part with one car the upgrade chance will be 40%,60% for 2 cars and 70% for 3 cars. This means you can focus on 3 different parts(one for each car) but with only 40% chance of upgrading the parts. After a test session you will get a confirmation if the update worked or not.
Signing up for a test session would look like this:

Location:f.e. Imola
Car1:Gearbox
Car2:Gearbox
Car3:Cooling System

The second major thing is high technical upgrades.
This upgrades you will have to develop before they will make your car faster. But once you developed them they will stick to your team which mean you will have them next season aswell. This updates can be banned by the Rulebook. The rules for next season will be announced after the 8th race. To start the development of high technical upgrades you will have to pay first. After this you can focus with the cars on that like it is for standard upgrades. You will get confirmation if the system worked or not. Once the system worked you can develop them like standard parts but it can take quite a long time to get the systems working(maybe the whole season). The high technical upgrades and their prizes are:
Adjustable Frontwing 1m$
Adjustable Rearwing 1m$
Ground effect 5m$
Active Suspension 4.5m$
Power Steering 2.5m$
Traction Control 1.5m$
Sequential Gearbox 3m$

Rulebook for this season:
Adjustable Frontwing = allowed
Adjustable Rearwing = allowed
Ground effect = banned
Active Suspension = allowed
Power Steering = allowed
Traction Control = banned
Sequential Gearbox = allowed

So this is it. Please confirm the car focuses for the pre season testing!

Greats Hermann

Ataxia wrote:So Caffi would bring $1m? I guess that's still a bonus, and I get a better driver. Sod it, I'll let Dumfries go and keep Collard in the test seat.

So, AGS will now have...

Driver 1: Bertrand Gachot
Driver 2: Alex Caffi
Test Driver: Emmanuel Collard

I hope that's good to go, because it's a promising lineup.

Ok.

First pre-season test will be held on 1st of August at Jerez! I'll start around 18:00 EEST

2nd one on 2nd of August at Le Castellet! Around 17:00 EEST

Does that mean that only these tracks are available for testing? And also are they free as stated before, or we have to pay if we try high technical upgrades?

And also: Would Ford '90 give me free upgrades everytime I ask (test) such? And should I pay for that test, cause it is said FREE upgrades?

Our program for Silverstone is all 3 cars working on Active suspension

As for Paul Ricard: Arnoux and Hakkinen will be working on engine, while Damon Hill - on gearbox.


Looks like we are working mainly on mechanical aspects, neglecting aerodynamics

At Le Castellet Warwick will test the airbox, Moreno and Comas front wing.

Let's see...

At Jerez:
Johnny should test the airbox, Martini and Zanardi should give the gearbox a try.

At Imola:
Johnny should test the suspension, Martini should try steering system, and Zanardi would be given the rear wing.

If my budget Sorry, did I mean debt? will allow it, I will focus on Traction Control and a Sequential Gearbox.

Frentzen: Power Steering at Imola and Sequential Gearbox at Hockenheim
McNish: Sequential Gearbox at Imola and Power Steering at Hockenheim
Lehto: Sequential Gearbox and Power Steering at Imola

Lotus line ups for all the Pre season tests

Berger will test the Rear Wing, van de Poele the rear wing, and Langes the front wing.

Ferrari Lineups for all the tests

Piquet will test the cooling system. Nakajima will test the Gearbox and Dalmas will test the suspension

Tyrrell Pre-season testing

Location:La Castellett
Car1:Martin Brundle - Steering
Car2:Mark Blundell-Gearbox
Car3:Eddie Irvine - Cooling

Location: Silverstone
Car1:Martin Brundle - Suspension
Car2:Mark Blundell-Front Wing
Car3:Eddie Irvine - Rear Wing

Test 1 - Hockenheim

Gachot - Rear Wing
Caffi - Front Wing
Collard - Rear Wing

Test 2 - Le Castellet
Gachot - Gearbox
Caffi - Floor
Collard - Cooling

pycku wrote:Does that mean that only these tracks are available for testing? And also are they free as stated before, or we have to pay if we try high technical upgrades?

And also: Would Ford '90 give me free upgrades everytime I ask (test) such? And should I pay for that test, cause it is said FREE upgrades?

Our program for Silverstone is all 3 cars working on Active suspension

As for Paul Ricard: Arnoux and Hakkinen will be working on engine, while Damon Hill - on gearbox.


Looks like we are working mainly on mechanical aspects, neglecting aerodynamics

Car upgrades(clarification)
Sorry i think i missed that in my post about upgrades: For testing every permanent race track is available!(For preseason testing only the anounced 5)
Testing during the season will be possible after every second race and will cost 500k. For high technical upgrades you have to pay the first time you try them! For active suspension this would mean you have to pay 4.5m$. The preseason testing sessions are free so for silverstone you have to pay 4.5m$. If you try the active suspension at paul ricard it would be free and during the season it will cost 500k(for testing).
For the engine: you can test them but it would give any power to you except the engine suplier wants you to test the engines! This will only happen in special events like a "Judd-test day" in which al Judd powered teams are invited and have to test the engines. Engine upgrades(for your Engine) are free. You will recieve them at the time Ford finished the upgrade! For payd upgrades(f.e.Renault) Renault will make an upgrade and if the teams want it they have to pay for it!
I hope i don't missed anything again!

good_Ralf wrote:If my budget Sorry, did I mean debt? will allow it, I will focus on Traction Control and a Sequential Gearbox.

Frentzen: Traction Control at Imola and Sequential Gearbox at Hockenheim
McNish: Sequential Gearbox at Imola and Traction Control at Hockenheim
Lehto: Sequential Gearbox and Traction Control at Imola

You don't really have money but its your turn! Just to remind: Traction control is banned for at least this season! You can't use it!

Dallara will center on Floor on three cars in Paul Ricard, while in Jerez, the Suspensión and Front Wing will be our focus, again with the three cars.
In the tech department, we'll develop the Adustable Front Wing

Coloni Pre-season testing
Track:Imola
Paolo Barilla:suspension
TBA:steering system

Brabham testing plans:

Location: Silverstone
Car 1: Cooling System
Car 2: Gearbox
Car 3: Electrical System

Location: Hockenheim
Car 1: Floor
Car 2: Floor
Car 3: Floor

Osella will announce their test schedule at the end of the day or tomorrow

McLaren wants to offer Bernd Schneider the test driver role for $0.5m. In addition, we will focus on the floor for Hockenheim while we will use the Jerez test to develop a sequential gearbox.

Williams testing plans:
Silverstone
Car 1 - Rear Wing
Car 2 - Rear Wing
Car 3 - Gearbox

Jerez
Car 1 - Front Wing
Car 2 - Front Wing
Car 3 - Gearbox

Leyton House testing:
Hockenheim
Capelli: Front wing
Patrese: Front wing
Bernard: Front wing

Imola
Capelli: Rear wing
Patrese: Rear wing
Bernard: Rear wing

Onyx will test at Silverstone, with both cars focusing on aerodynamics (so Johansson will do front wing, and Foitek will do rear wing).
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Behind the scenes, the ownership fighting in the team has increased. (ED: moreso compared to what happened to the team in real 1990) After Jean-Pierre van Rossem reluctantly stayed after one of the new shareholders told him to stay, his share at the team dropped to just 25% with Peter Monteverdi bought 40% of what was formerly van Rossem's. Karl Foitek, father of Gregor, who will race with this team, and Bruno Frei, an owner of a Ferrari dealership, bought 10 percent of the shares, each. Then came a hot-headed Japanese businesswoman, Ms. Asuka Kuwashima, which bought 15% of Onyx's shares. Asuka told The Grand Prix Journal that she wanted to be F1's first female team manager. It is Asuka who insisted van Rossem to stay with the team.

What will happen next? Stay tuned in this channel.

Just to inform that thanks to Ataxia this championship has a wiki page: http://f1alternate.shoutwiki.com/wiki/1 ... rnative_F1

pycku wrote:Just to inform that thanks to Ataxia this championship has a wiki page: http://f1alternate.shoutwiki.com/wiki/1 ... rnative_F1

This is great. He could have put in the username's as well or is that not allowed?

pycku wrote:Just to inform that thanks to Ataxia this championship has a wiki page: http://f1alternate.shoutwiki.com/wiki/1 ... rnative_F1

Well, you started it up...I just finished it off.

The part that amazes me is the sheer quantity of Italian drivers and Italian registered teams. That's tailed off significantly in recent years...

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:This is great. He could have put in the username's as well or is that not allowed?

No, it's best that the information is as clear as possible. It can be added to the discussion page, but we don't generally add usernames to the wiki pages because we've got an idea of who manages whom.

Ataxia wrote:

pycku wrote:Just to inform that thanks to Ataxia this championship has a wiki page: http://f1alternate.shoutwiki.com/wiki/1 ... rnative_F1

Well, you started it up...I just finished it off.

The part that amazes me is the sheer quantity of Italian drivers and Italian registered teams. That's tailed off significantly in recent years...

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:This is great. He could have put in the username's as well or is that not allowed?

No, it's best that the information is as clear as possible. It can be added to the discussion page, but we don't generally add usernames to the wiki pages because we've got an idea of who manages whom.

Salamander's loyalty to the Williams-Renault partnership is comparable to Gru's Minions. That's how i'll know the owner of Williams

Hey,
first of all, thanks for the Wiki-page! Very good work!
With regards to testing i found a few mistakes that some of you made:

SeedStriker wrote:Dallara will center on Floor on three cars in Paul Ricard, while in Jerez, the Suspensión and Front Wing will be our focus, again with the three cars.
In the tech department, we'll develop the Adustable Front Wing

You can't focus on suspension AND front wing with all 3 cars! Only one part at a time per car! The development of high technical upgrades requieres testing!!

pycku wrote:
Our program for Silverstone is all 3 cars working on Active suspension

As for Paul Ricard: Arnoux and Hakkinen will be working on engine, while Damon Hill - on gearbox.

You can focus on engine, BUT there will be no efford because the engine supplier don't need your testing time!

pasta_maldonado wrote:Lotus line ups for all the Pre season tests

Berger will test the Rear Wing, van de Poele the rear wing, and Langes the front wing.

On which locations locus will test? Do you accept Langes' offer to provide 0.5m$ as test driver?

The Lukas wrote:Coloni Pre-season testing
Track:Imola
Paolo Barilla:suspension
TBA:steering system

You have the opportunity to test on 2 locations for free! Which will be the 2nd? If you wanna have a second driver please bid for a free driver!

FMecha wrote:Onyx will test at Silverstone, with both cars focusing on aerodynamics (so Johansson will do front wing, and Foitek will do rear wing).

You'll also have the opportunity to test at 2 locations for free!!!

Edit: Mclaren signs Bernd Schneider as test driver for 0.5m$