Grand Prix Rejects

DOSBoot wrote:What if Papryus Design Group was still around?

They are -- just under the name iRacing.

If there was an open poll for forumers to pick the teams they hate the most (in any category) who would win the poll? If users could vote for two entries?

Cynon wrote:

DOSBoot wrote:What if Papryus Design Group was still around?

They are -- just under the name iRacing.

If there was an open poll for forumers to pick the teams they hate the most (in any category) who would win the poll? If users could vote for two entries?

There would be lots of ranting and fanboyism around the forumers. Realistically, I see a draw.

Hound55 wrote:What if a manufacturer developed a rotary engine for F1 and it was deemed legal by the FIA? Could it be successful?

No, the lack of fuel efficiency at high speed without a three spark-plug ignition system would make it unlikely to make it to the finish under the current rules without either reducing displacement and power or increasing the fuel capacity. They do generate incredible amounts of power for their small size displacement especially in two rotor form.

JeremyMcClean wrote:

Cynon wrote:

DOSBoot wrote:What if Papryus Design Group was still around?

They are -- just under the name iRacing.

If there was an open poll for forumers to pick the teams they hate the most (in any category) who would win the poll? If users could vote for two entries?

There would be lots of ranting and fanboyism around the forumers. Realistically, I see a draw.

Well, I'm mostly interested in what teams all the hate would be shoveled upon. I can see Red Bull and Ferrari drawing equal amounts of hate among F1 teams, Gainsco and Ganassi for GrandAm, IndyCar would be a bit more wide open, because you have Penske, Ganassi, Andretti, Panther, and KV with a history of questionable behavior...

What if Champ Car (2003-2007) went to Monaco?

Cynon wrote: IndyCar would be a bit more wide open, because you have Penske, Ganassi, Andretti, Panther, and KV with a history of questionable behavior...

I assume Newman-Haas would be included in that if they were still around?

dr-baker wrote:

Cynon wrote: IndyCar would be a bit more wide open, because you have Penske, Ganassi, Andretti, Panther, and KV with a history of questionable behavior...

I assume Newman-Haas would be included in that if they were still around?

As well as the Dale Coyne bunch but for an entirely different reason until they got Justin Wilson. They fielded cars for terrible drivers who had no business in NASCAR's modified series (NASCAR's tin topped, open-wheeled cars) let alone in an IndyCar or in CART.

Onxy Wrecked wrote:

dr-baker wrote:

Cynon wrote: IndyCar would be a bit more wide open, because you have Penske, Ganassi, Andretti, Panther, and KV with a history of questionable behavior...

I assume Newman-Haas would be included in that if they were still around?

As well as the Dale Coyne bunch but for an entirely different reason until they got Justin Wilson. They fielded cars for terrible drivers who had no business in NASCAR's modified series (NASCAR's tin topped, open-wheeled cars) let alone in an IndyCar or in CART.

It is an undeniable fact that Dale Coyne fielded a lot of crap drivers with money over the years but it allowed to stay in business and to eventually be able to field decent drivers and get some decent results. I have a lot of respect for Dale Coyne.

Faustus wrote:

Onxy Wrecked wrote:As well as the Dale Coyne bunch but for an entirely different reason until they got Justin Wilson. They fielded cars for terrible drivers who had no business in NASCAR's modified series (NASCAR's tin topped, open-wheeled cars) let alone in an IndyCar or in CART.

It is an undeniable fact that Dale Coyne fielded a lot of crap drivers with money over the years but it allowed to stay in business and to eventually be able to field decent drivers and get some decent results. I have a lot of respect for Dale Coyne.

At this point I think we can call Mr. Coyne IndyCar's Frank Williams at least in the terms of how the racing team started and the nature of the first Frank Williams team. But things weren't always this great as he had revolving doors of pay drivers and one-off rides. Some of the pay drivers rapidly improved such as Michel Jourdain Jr., Paul Tracy, Oriol Servia, and Alex Barron and were able to progress to better teams creating the revolving door image as these drivers were hired away afterwards. Others like Charlie Nearburg were bad enough that no amount of money could keep them around as it would attract the ire of the race marshals. I respect him for the persistence in particular. It's hard for most to stay motivated when the team has to wait 25 years for the first win. His heart and soul is definitely in racing.

Onxy Wrecked wrote:

Faustus wrote:

Onxy Wrecked wrote:As well as the Dale Coyne bunch but for an entirely different reason until they got Justin Wilson. They fielded cars for terrible drivers who had no business in NASCAR's modified series (NASCAR's tin topped, open-wheeled cars) let alone in an IndyCar or in CART.

It is an undeniable fact that Dale Coyne fielded a lot of crap drivers with money over the years but it allowed to stay in business and to eventually be able to field decent drivers and get some decent results. I have a lot of respect for Dale Coyne.

At this point I think we can call Mr. Coyne IndyCar's Frank Williams at least in the terms of how the racing team started and the nature of the first Frank Williams team. But things weren't always this great as he had revolving doors of pay drivers and one-off rides. Some of the pay drivers rapidly improved such as Michel Jourdain Jr., Paul Tracy, Oriol Servia, and Alex Barron and were able to progress to better teams creating the revolving door image as these drivers were hired away afterwards. Others like Charlie Nearburg were bad enough that no amount of money could keep them around as it would attract the ire of the race marshals. I respect him for the persistence in particular. It's hard for most to stay motivated when the team has to wait 25 years for the first win. His heart and soul is definitely in racing.

Dale Coyne is the Minardi of IndyCar. Not to mention that the team is based 45 minutes away from where I live, making them one of my favorites by default. Newman-Haas is based 30 minutes away from me, so I've been a fan of them for the same reason, really.

Just started rewatching the 1994 San Marino GP. After the startline crash between JJ Lehto and Pedro Lamy, Murray Walker said that he was expecting the race to be red-flagged (with the safety car having only been used twice previously, according to Murray's memory). So my question is:

What if the race were red-flagged? Would Bruno Senna have made his debut sooner? Would he have been a better driver for being able to learn from his uncle?

Oh, and a follow-up question. Erik Comas was let out of the pit-lane and drove round to Tamburello while Ayrton Senna was being treated by medical staff. He was traumatised by what he saw so withdrew from the race.

What if he restarted? Would he have been DSQed? Should he have received some other penalty? Should Larrouse have been penalised for allowing him out?

What if BAR had kept Villeneuve on for 2004? Would his race winning experience have helped BAR take their maiden win that year, or would he have just been truly rejectful?

takagi_for_the_win wrote:What if BAR had kept Villeneuve on for 2004? Would his race winning experience have helped BAR take their maiden win that year...

...only if Michael Schumacher had been abducted by aliens for the entire year. Jarno Trulli was incredibly lucky to get his only win that season.

dinizintheoven wrote:

takagi_for_the_win wrote:What if BAR had kept Villeneuve on for 2004? Would his race winning experience have helped BAR take their maiden win that year...

...only if Michael Schumacher had been abducted by aliens for the entire year. Jarno Trulli was incredibly lucky to get his only win that season.

Well, he was lucky in the sense that Ferrari checkmated Schumacher out of the equation by not stopping him under the SC for Alonso (before Montoya helped remove him from the race altogether) but Jarno was definitely on it all weekend.

takagi_for_the_win wrote:What if BAR had kept Villeneuve on for 2004? Would his race winning experience have helped BAR take their maiden win that year, or would he have just been truly rejectful?

Jenson Button would have completely destroyed Mr.Controversial's reputation beyond repair, and we'd have never seen him in an F1 car again.

redbulljack14 wrote:

takagi_for_the_win wrote:What if BAR had kept Villeneuve on for 2004? Would his race winning experience have helped BAR take their maiden win that year, or would he have just been truly rejectful?

Jenson Button would have completely destroyed Mr.Controversial's reputation beyond repair, and we'd have never seen him in an F1 car again.

Wait - Villeneuve had a good reputation in 03? That's news to me

pasta_maldonado wrote:

redbulljack14 wrote:

takagi_for_the_win wrote:What if BAR had kept Villeneuve on for 2004? Would his race winning experience have helped BAR take their maiden win that year, or would he have just been truly rejectful?

Jenson Button would have completely destroyed Mr.Controversial's reputation beyond repair, and we'd have never seen him in an F1 car again.

Wait - Villeneuve had a good reputation in 03? That's news to me

It had been damaged, but Button would have completely killed, buried and cremated it in 2004. He was a former World Champion and was also one of the top drivers in 2000, so he did still have some credibility

What if Dereck Warwick got the Lotus seat in 1986, instead of Johnnie Dunfries?

DOSBoot wrote:What if Dereck Warwick got the Lotus seat in 1986, instead of Johnnie Dunfries?

That Johnny would have never seen F1 or would have a F1 Rejects profile. Warwick would have been rather decent in the Lotus seat.

Onxy Wrecked wrote:

DOSBoot wrote:What if Dereck Warwick got the Lotus seat in 1986, instead of Johnnie Dunfries?

That Johnny would have never seen F1 or would have a F1 Rejects profile. Warwick would have been rather decent in the Lotus seat.

How decent?

DOSBoot wrote:

Onxy Wrecked wrote:

DOSBoot wrote:What if Dereck Warwick got the Lotus seat in 1986, instead of Johnnie Dunfries?

That Johnny would have never seen F1 or would have a F1 Rejects profile. Warwick would have been rather decent in the Lotus seat.

How decent?

Given the relative performance of the car and the fact that Warwick had a respectable enough run of points finishes up until that year, perhaps he could have picked up a couple of podium finishes and a handful of other points finishes, probably putting him around where Johansson and Rosberg finished that year.

What if one of the Toro Rosso drivers wins a race this year? How would that shake up the paddock?

Whichever driver won it would replace Webber.

darkapprentice77 wrote:Whichever driver won it would replace Webber in the following race.

fixed

FMecha wrote:What if Champ Car (2003-2007) went to Monaco?

No answers yet?

FMecha wrote:

FMecha wrote:What if Champ Car (2003-2007) went to Monaco?

No answers yet?

Let me try:

Bourdais and Tracy quickly move away from the rest of the field, only for the two crashing into each other. Tracy is furious, and storms the Newman-Haas pits. There, he proceeds to punch the lights out of Tracy, only for him to be taken away from the police. Meanwhile, your typical pay drivers cause crash after caution after crash, while calmly driving Bruno Junqueira takes the checkered flag. Meanwhile, the Prince of Monaco ponders why he let F1 go from Monaco.

FMecha wrote:

FMecha wrote:What if Champ Car (2003-2007) went to Monaco?

No answers yet?

Well I can only see this happening if it were a support event with F1, I just can't see Monaco being gridlocked twice a year.
With this in mind it would naturally create better synergy between the two sports and as a result many fans of one would begin to support the other, to the benefit of all.

Perhaps it would have provided an opportunity for CART drivers to impress F1 bosses and secure a seat, most notably Bourdais maybe would have got in to F1 earlier, perhaps a 2006 Toro Rosso seat or maybe even something crazy like a McLaren drive after Montoya leaves.

I don't think the races would be all that thrilling and I can imagine it being similar to GP2 level of incidents, perhaps the biggest impact would be the influx of loud brash Americans in to "classy" Monaco, don't suppose the royal family there would be too keen on that, but the tourism board would gladly take their money in the casinos! (I hope I haven't offended anyone)

Nothing drastic such as Champcar being saved unfortunately, Indycar would not want to race in Monaco after Champ Car finishes and that would be that.

DOSBoot wrote:

Onxy Wrecked wrote:

DOSBoot wrote:What if Dereck Warwick got the Lotus seat in 1986, instead of Johnnie Dunfries?

That Johnny would have never seen F1 or would have a F1 Rejects profile. Warwick would have been rather decent in the Lotus seat.

How decent?

A series of points finishes made mostly of fifths and sixths. Might get a few podiums or even a win, but no match for his teammate.

stoddie makes come back as team owner hires badoe and jos the boss

S951 wrote:stoddie makes come back as team owner hires badoe and jos the boss

In what season is this taking place?

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:

S951 wrote:stoddie makes come back as team owner hires badoe and jos the boss

In what season is this taking place?

Then another team should hire Jos' ex-wife, that will spice things up quite a bit

What if Damon Hill scored pole position for the 1997 European GP? I've just read somewhere that he was on track to beat the lot of them to pole position before encountering yellow flags covering Ukyo Katayama's Minardi during his fastest lap.

Wizzie wrote:What if Damon Hill scored pole position for the 1997 European GP? I've just read somewhere that he was on track to beat the lot of them to pole position before encountering yellow flags covering Ukyo Katayama's Minardi during his fastest lap.

I'd say not much different to reality - he went backwards in the race before he retired. Either that or he would have purposely blocked Schumacher to try and let Villeneuve get away. Either way JV still wins the championship.

In a less serious question - what if the following street circuits from Gran Turismo tracks were real?

• Seattle Circuit
• Rome Circuit (both GT2/GT3 and GT5 versions)
• Tokyo R246
• Seoul Central
• New York (GT4)
• Hong Kong Street Circuit (GT4)
• Opera Paris
• Madrid (GT5)
• London (GT5)

What races would be held in those circuits? What will be the results?

FMecha wrote:In a less serious question - what if the following street circuits from Gran Turismo tracks were real?

• Seattle Circuit
• Rome Circuit (both GT2/GT3 and GT5 versions)
• Tokyo R246
• Seoul Central
• New York (GT4)
• Hong Kong Street Circuit (GT4)
• Opera Paris
• Madrid (GT5)
• London (GT5)

What races would be held in those circuits? What will be the results?

Seattle, Rome, and Madrid are my favorite street circuits. I think the Streets of Baltimore circuit reminds me a lot of the Seattle Circuit for some reason.

FMecha wrote:In a less serious question - what if the following street circuits from Gran Turismo tracks were real?

• Seoul Central
• Opera Paris

What races would be held in those circuits? What will be the results?

Mass riots in Seoul and Paris as spectators are enraged at the truly appalling circuit design of these tracks.

Having been inspired by Enoch's latest article, I have a few questions for you guys to ponder over:

1. What if Christian Fittipaldi got the second McLaren seat for 1995 at the request of Mercedes?
2. What if Williams lost their case at the C.R.B over David Coulthard?
3. What if, by some sheer miracle, the Mansell/McLaren relationship managed to hold together for the entire 1995 season?

Wizzie wrote:Having been inspired by Enoch's latest article, I have a few questions for you guys to ponder over:

1. What if Christian Fittipaldi got the second McLaren seat for 1995 at the request of Mercedes?
2. What if Williams lost their case at the C.R.B over David Coulthard?
3. What if, by some sheer miracle, the Mansell/McLaren relationship managed to hold together for the entire 1995 season?

1. Christian would have not ran in 2nd in the Indy 500 that year pushing the likes of Gugelmin, Rahal, and Salazar up a position. Emerson Fittipaldi may have started 33rd presuming that the replacement failed to qualify. Emmo might have charged up the field like Scott Goodyear in 1992 or Tom Sneva in 1980 from dead last considering that Bobby Rahal started 21st behind Gugelmin in both speed and position just to finish in 3rd, three positions in front of Gugelmin.
2. I don't know
3. Al Unser Jr. in F1 by to keep Marlboro knowing that Al Jr was an instant F1 superlicense approval by being 2nd in CART points and drove Marlboro sponsored Penskes. Mansell getting the car good enough to contend? Too many possibilities with situation #3.

Wizzie wrote:Having been inspired by Enoch's latest article, I have a few questions for you guys to ponder over:

1. What if Christian Fittipaldi got the second McLaren seat for 1995 at the request of Mercedes?
2. What if Williams lost their case at the C.R.B over David Coulthard?
3. What if, by some sheer miracle, the Mansell/McLaren relationship managed to hold together for the entire 1995 season?

2. Patrese back at Williams? Blundell maybe, since he was test driver before? Perhaps Frentzen 2 seasons early?