Grand Prix Rejects

darkapprentice77 wrote:What would happen if you put a hard tyre the front-left wheel, a soft tyre on the front-right, an intermediate on the rear-left and a wet tyre on the rear-right?

You'd still have better race pace than the Mercedes'.

CoopsII wrote:

lgaquino wrote:Why did we lose those leaves crown thing [don't know its name in english! ]?
The podium cerimony looked much more epic and special!

It certainly did but as sponsors began to cover drivers overalls with adverts they covered them up so they had to go.

A wreath

pasta_maldonado wrote:

CoopsII wrote:

lgaquino wrote:Why did we lose those leaves crown thing [don't know its name in english! ]?
The podium cerimony looked much more epic and special!

It certainly did but as sponsors began to cover drivers overalls with adverts they covered them up so they had to go.

A wreath

Is it not a garland?

takagi_for_the_win wrote:

pasta_maldonado wrote:A wreath

Is it not a garland?

Hmmn, you've got a point there... I think I've got two types of flowery circles mixed up....

Following takagi_for_the_win's post in the Spanish GP race topic about a possible extreme Trulli-train should the Mercedes lock out the front row again.

What has been the longest Trulli-train?

takagi_for_the_win wrote:

darkapprentice77 wrote:What would happen if you put a hard tyre the front-left wheel, a soft tyre on the front-right, an intermediate on the rear-left and a wet tyre on the rear-right?

You'd still have better race pace than the Mercedes'.

The Mercedes itself would probably have a better race pace with that combination of tyres, I guess.

johnnyCarwash wrote:Following takagi_for_the_win's post in the Spanish GP race topic about a possible extreme Trulli-train should the Mercedes lock out the front row again.

What has been the longest Trulli-train?

Monaco 2006?

johnnyCarwash wrote:Following takagi_for_the_win's post in the Spanish GP race topic about a possible extreme Trulli-train should the Mercedes lock out the front row again.

What has been the longest Trulli-train?

Thinking about it, there might have been a few similar events in the early 1980's when some of the turbo powered cars were fast enough in a straight line to keep their rivals behind them but slow enough in the corners to not pull away. Pironi, for example, had four cars backed up behind him at the Austrian GP in 1981, and Gilles also relied on the power of his turbo engine to keep four cars behind him for victory in the Spanish GP that year.

IIRC Brazil 1992 has a pretty long one behind Senna who was having new car problems but was managing to hold off Schumacher due to high straightline speed and about 12 others in the train behind.

darkapprentice77 wrote:What would happen if you put a hard tyre the front-left wheel, a soft tyre on the front-right, an intermediate on the rear-left and a wet tyre on the rear-right?

takagi_for_the_win wrote:You'd still have better race pace than the Mercedes'.

What would happen if you put Fangio's Continental tyres from his 1954 Mercedes W196 onto Rosberg's 2013 Mercedes F1 W04?

Jocke1 wrote:

darkapprentice77 wrote:What would happen if you put a hard tyre the front-left wheel, a soft tyre on the front-right, an intermediate on the rear-left and a wet tyre on the rear-right?

takagi_for_the_win wrote:You'd still have better race pace than the Mercedes'.

What would happen if you put Fangio's Continental tyres from his 1954 Mercedes W196 onto Rosberg's 2013 Mercedes F1 W04?

Interesting handling and much fun

roblomas52 wrote:

Jocke1 wrote:

darkapprentice77 wrote:What would happen if you put a hard tyre the front-left wheel, a soft tyre on the front-right, an intermediate on the rear-left and a wet tyre on the rear-right?

takagi_for_the_win wrote:You'd still have better race pace than the Mercedes'.

What would happen if you put Fangio's Continental tyres from his 1954 Mercedes W196 onto Rosberg's 2013 Mercedes F1 W04?

Interesting handling and much fun

Better durability perhaps? But instant DSQ in any case.

Anybody know why the Jaguars had red nose tips at Austria 2001?

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Anybody know why the Jaguars had red nose tips at Austria 2001?

Wasn't Jaaaaaaaag under Niki Lauda's charge back then? If so,it could've been a special home race livery or something.

It was Bobby Rahal, unless I'm very much mistaken?

mario wrote:

johnnyCarwash wrote:Following takagi_for_the_win's post in the Spanish GP race topic about a possible extreme Trulli-train should the Mercedes lock out the front row again.

What has been the longest Trulli-train?

Thinking about it, there might have been a few similar events in the early 1980's when some of the turbo powered cars were fast enough in a straight line to keep their rivals behind them but slow enough in the corners to not pull away. Pironi, for example, had four cars backed up behind him at the Austrian GP in 1981, and Gilles also relied on the power of his turbo engine to keep four cars behind him for victory in the Spanish GP that year.

From my very vague recollection, didn't Boutsen hold a quite a few people during the 1990 Hungarian GP (pretty much for the entire race).

Then IIRC Montoya held up a bit of a 'Trulli train' at the 2001 Austrian GP before the incident with M Schumi.

I remember now:
Monaco 2006 was quite of a train when the Alonso-Kimi-Webber-JPM quarter came to lap the train, I think led by either Heidfeld or R. Schumacher? There was Fisichella, Coulthard, Liuzzi, Rosberg, Villeneuve, and maybe a few others involved.

There's also the Trulli train in Singapore 2008, which a few laps earlier also contained one Fernando Alonso in there.

And then there was San Marino 2005 where Trulli was running in 3rd place in the early running, and holding up everyone down to Michael Schumacher, who was stranded in like 12th or 13th place and losing over two seconds a lap to the leaders

Monaco 1996, Irvine held up a load of cars (around 10 IIRC) during the 1st half of the race.

ibsey wrote:

mario wrote:

johnnyCarwash wrote:Following takagi_for_the_win's post in the Spanish GP race topic about a possible extreme Trulli-train should the Mercedes lock out the front row again.

What has been the longest Trulli-train?

Thinking about it, there might have been a few similar events in the early 1980's when some of the turbo powered cars were fast enough in a straight line to keep their rivals behind them but slow enough in the corners to not pull away. Pironi, for example, had four cars backed up behind him at the Austrian GP in 1981, and Gilles also relied on the power of his turbo engine to keep four cars behind him for victory in the Spanish GP that year.

From my very vague recollection, didn't Boutsen hold a quite a few people during the 1990 Hungarian GP (pretty much for the entire race).

Then IIRC Montoya held up a bit of a 'Trulli train' at the 2001 Austrian GP before the incident with M Schumi.

He did indeed hold up multiple cars in the opening stages of that race (Mansell, Nannini, Senna and Berger were all caught up behind him) - his strategy, which was to run the entire race non stop, relied entirely on it being so difficult to pass another driver around the Hungaroring, so it meant that he was going to build up a queue of cars behind him because of that.

What would happen if a Trulli-train formed at Monaco, and a Pirelli tyre decides to fail on the leader's car, as he's going through the tunnel?

andrew2209 wrote:What would happen if a Trulli-train formed at Monaco, and a Pirelli tyre decides to fail on the leader's car, as he's going through the tunnel?

Not sure, but if Trulli came back for that race, he'd blame it on the power steering.

FullMetalJack wrote:

andrew2209 wrote:What would happen if a Trulli-train formed at Monaco, and a Pirelli tyre decides to fail on the leader's car, as he's going through the tunnel?

Not sure, but if Trulli came back for that race, he'd blame it on the power steering.

Didn't Kimi also blame his poor performance in the Monaco GP last year on his power steering system?

Back to the original question - given that the tunnel is one of the fastest points on the circuit, and therefore where the tyre loads are likely to be at their highest, I am a little worried that you could see a tyre failure occur there if the failures are, as some have suggested, related to the tyre construction. If it did, then the driver it happened to would probably be unable to control his car and would end up in the barriers, and you would probably end up with a multi-car pile up on the scale of the Belgian GP in 1998.
It'd probably also be a nightmare to clear any crashed cars out of there given that the access would be so restricted and they would need to be very thorough in cleaning the track because of the risk of debris causing a puncture, so you'd probably be looking at a fairly lengthy stoppage and perhaps even see the race timed out (given that there is now a four hour limit on the total time a race can take, including time for stoppages).

Would people still be complaining about the tyres if refeulling hadn't been banned.....

Earlier today, I was reading an article about the most marketable athletes in the world and I came across some very interesting stats:

-Six racing drivers are among the 50 most marketable athletes in the world; three from Formula One, one from rallying and two from NASCAR.
-The highest rated driver was Lewis Hamilton in 7th
-The other two Formula One drivers in the top 50 were Sebastian Vettel in 12th, and Sergio Perez (!) in 24th
-The two NASCAR drivers were Danica Patrick in 45th, and Dale Earnhardt Jr in 47th. To the surprise of nobody in the known universe
-The rally driver on the list is actually none other than former F1 driver and current ERC superstar Robert Kubica

WeirdKerr wrote:Would people still be complaining about the tyres if refeulling hadn't been banned.....

No, as the lower fuel loads would reduce wear, and the tyres would start to fade at the end of a stint.

Wizzie wrote:-The other two Formula One drivers in the top 50 were Sebastian Vettel in 12th, and Sergio Perez (!) in 24th

Richest man in the world, Carlos Slim is Mexican.

If Caterham and Marussia did end up merging, what would the team have been called? Caterussia?

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:If Caterham and Marussia did end up merging, what would the team have been called? Caterussia?

Marusaham?

Or don't bother mixing names and call it something original like Scorpion Racing.

The world is Giedo van der Garde's oyster.

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:If Caterham and Marussia did end up merging, what would the team have been called? Caterussia?

Fondmetal Team Russia

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:If Caterham and Marussia did end up merging, what would the team have been called? Caterussia?

Fernandes F1. Remember where you read it first.

CoopsII wrote:

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:If Caterham and Marussia did end up merging, what would the team have been called? Caterussia?

Fernandes F1. Remember where you read it first.

Virgin Fernandes F1?

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:If Caterham and Marussia did end up merging, what would the team have been called? Caterussia?

That sounds like a tractor manufacturer.

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:If Caterham and Marussia did end up merging, what would the team have been called? Caterussia?

Materham

Why is it that when a driver is hired just because of their sponsorship money, it's considered sad but just part of motor racing, something that will never change and isn't worth complaining about, but when a driver is hired just because she is a woman, it's horrible and sexist and something that needs to be loudly complained about?

darkapprentice77 wrote:Why is it that when a driver is hired just because of their sponsorship money, it's considered sad but just part of motor racing, something that will never change and isn't worth complaining about, but when a driver is hired just because she is a woman, it's horrible and sexist and something that needs to be loudly complained about?

Usually, these paydrivers have been through GP2 or FR3.5 (ie. Maldonado, Chilton, vdG, etc.) so they've got experience of a direct F1 feeder series. However, if we're talking about the two women who have been "closest" to F1 seats of late, then they've definitely not got the experience the regular paydriver contingent has. For example, Maria de Villota only reached Superleague Formula and Susie Wolff has been in DTM for a number of years with little in the way of proven results. This hardly shouts "F1 material", does it?

Hopefully, Beitske Visser can prove women DO have the talent to race at the top level.

Ataxia wrote:Usually, these paydrivers have been through GP2 or FR3.5 (ie. Maldonado, Chilton, vdG, etc.) so they've got experience of a direct F1 feeder series. However, if we're talking about the two women who have been "closest" to F1 seats of late, then they've definitely not got the experience the regular paydriver contingent has. For example, Maria de Villota only reached Superleague Formula and Susie Wolff has been in DTM for a number of years with little in the way of proven results. This hardly shouts "F1 material", does it?

Hopefully, Beitske Visser can prove women DO have the talent to race at the top level.

Hmm, that makes sense.

I still don't mind if they're hired just because of their gender because if teams do it often enough then it won't be a unique thing anymore, they won't get the publicity of hiring a female driver and then we can just go back to hiring drivers because of results/money/whatever, regardless of gender...

darkapprentice77 wrote:

Ataxia wrote:Usually, these paydrivers have been through GP2 or FR3.5 (ie. Maldonado, Chilton, vdG, etc.) so they've got experience of a direct F1 feeder series. However, if we're talking about the two women who have been "closest" to F1 seats of late, then they've definitely not got the experience the regular paydriver contingent has. For example, Maria de Villota only reached Superleague Formula and Susie Wolff has been in DTM for a number of years with little in the way of proven results. This hardly shouts "F1 material", does it?

Hopefully, Beitske Visser can prove women DO have the talent to race at the top level.

Hmm, that makes sense.

I still don't mind if they're hired just because of their gender because if teams do it often enough then it won't be a unique thing anymore, they won't get the publicity of hiring a female driver and then we can just go back to hiring drivers because of results/money/whatever, regardless of gender...

Ultimately, you need money to fund the team.. not vaginas /sexist joke

Seriously though, about hiring women just for being women so that eventually a good driver shows up is just as sexist in my view. I think girls probably have the same chances to become a high level professional driver as boys. It's a matter of interest, I suppose..

=> But I'd ask you...why exactly F1 would be better if there were women driving?
I see that everywhere: "oh now we have more women doing ___<insert random job>___. and that's good!" It annoys me, to be honest..


Just to clarify, I'm not against having more women in anything... I really think it's at best a minor curiosity, nothing to make a big deal out of.

lgaquino wrote:

darkapprentice77 wrote:

Ataxia wrote:Usually, these paydrivers have been through GP2 or FR3.5 (ie. Maldonado, Chilton, vdG, etc.) so they've got experience of a direct F1 feeder series. However, if we're talking about the two women who have been "closest" to F1 seats of late, then they've definitely not got the experience the regular paydriver contingent has. For example, Maria de Villota only reached Superleague Formula and Susie Wolff has been in DTM for a number of years with little in the way of proven results. This hardly shouts "F1 material", does it?

Hopefully, Beitske Visser can prove women DO have the talent to race at the top level.

Hmm, that makes sense.

I still don't mind if they're hired just because of their gender because if teams do it often enough then it won't be a unique thing anymore, they won't get the publicity of hiring a female driver and then we can just go back to hiring drivers because of results/money/whatever, regardless of gender...

Ultimately, you need money to fund the team.. not vaginas /sexist joke

Seriously though, about hiring women just for being women so that eventually a good driver shows up is just as sexist in my view. I think girls probably have the same chances to become a high level professional driver as boys. It's a matter of interest, I suppose..

=> But I'd ask you...why exactly F1 would be better if there were women driving?
I see that everywhere: "oh now we have more women doing ___<insert random job>___. and that's good!" It annoys me, to be honest..


Just to clarify, I'm not against having more women in anything... I really think it's at best a minor curiosity, nothing to make a big deal out of.

Reminds me a bit of the argument about the fire service being sexist, as the minimum weight to be lifted in the trails was too high for most women. Some people argue that that's sexist, others say that if the weight limit is lowered, then the safety of people could be compromised.

I don't believe a women should get a driver for being a woman. Not only is that sexist, if they perform poorly, it could affect other female drivers.

darkapprentice77 wrote:Why is it that when a driver is hired just because of their sponsorship money, it's considered sad but just part of motor racing, something that will never change and isn't worth complaining about, but when a driver is hired just because she is a woman, it's horrible and sexist and something that needs to be loudly complained about?

Danica is one of 14 drivers to have lead at least one lap in both the Daytona 500 and Indianapolis 500. Her gender only makes this John Andretti type talent more marketable than Mr. Andretti was in NASCAR. Without those laps led in 2005 at Indianapolis she wouldn't be in NASCAR at this point but a driver similar to Townsend Bell, an Indy 500 only driver.