Grand Prix Rejects

eurobrun wrote:Svenko, there is a clear double standard on this forum. The community here always hates on Senna (and in some cases Vettel) but as soon as you say something bad about somebody else people turn against you. It has happened to me with both Bottas and GRSJN.

Aside from that I agree 100% with Benetton

CarlosFerreira wrote:

eurobrun wrote:The community here always hates on Senna (...)

Oi! I'm still getting over the fact Senna won't be on the grid next year. He'll be sadly missed.

pasta_maldonado wrote:

eurobrun wrote:Svenko, there is a clear double standard on this forum. The community here always hates on Senna (and in some cases Vettel) but as soon as you say something bad about somebody else people turn against you. It has happened to me with both Bottas and GRSJN.

Aside from that I agree 100% with Benetton

I suppose we're all as bad as each other really. Everyone has that driver(s) that they dislike for no apparent reason, and are willing to hate (for want of a better word) on without justifying it. Same goes for every sport.

mario wrote:

Svenko Wankerov wrote:

Klon wrote:As far as my dislike of Senna goes: I do dislike people abusing their name whilst not showing a willingness to be more than just a name (which is why it is not hypocritical of me to be a Ralf fan whilst disliking Bruno Senna) but it would have been nowhere near as bad (since I probably would do the same if given the chance) if he hadn't chosen to go to Williams. Could have gone to Caterham, Marussia or some other team, but noooo, the twat had to go to Williams.

Oh so this kind of hate directed towards Senna isn't vindictive or unnecessary?

Bruno accepted that he had to be a pay driver to stay in F1 and he did so without whining about being entitled to a top seat. He bought the best available seat which happened to be at Williams. It didn't work out for him and he left F1 without making a scene. How is using his family connection to raise money different than say Max Chilton buying into Marrussia with his family trust fund?

As I've said before (only a few posts further up this page, in fact), I do think that Bruno has been subjected to some unfair criticism and do not think that he is as bad a driver as others try to paint him as. Although this particular post wasn't quite in as poor taste, I must admit that I am starting to tire of the complaints being thrown Bruno's way - he has left the sport, for now at least, and would prefer it if we didn't keep raking it up again.

pi314159 wrote:

pasta_maldonado wrote:

eurobrun wrote:Svenko, there is a clear double standard on this forum. The community here always hates on Senna (and in some cases Vettel) but as soon as you say something bad about somebody else people turn against you. It has happened to me with both Bottas and GRSJN.

Aside from that I agree 100% with Benetton

I suppose we're all as bad as each other really. Everyone has that driver(s) that they dislike for no apparent reason, and are willing to hate (for want of a better word) on without justifying it. Same goes for every sport.

I don't get it why many fans always have to hate on sports people. Like everyone, there are drivers which I support more and some I like less. But I have no reason to hate on any driver. It's ok to say "I think there are more talented drivers who deserve the cockpit more.", but I don't like people just insulting drivers. This ruins the discussion on a forum.

And, good luck for Senna in the WEC. He may not have achieved anything notable in Formula 1, but you don't get a second place in GP2 without some talent.

Svenko Wankerov wrote:That post all but implied Bruno was dancing on Ayrton's grave just by being a pay driver at Williams, how is that not in poor taste? The criticisms of him as not being fast enough is fair, but some of the criticism that's been accepted has gone far beyond anything remotely relevant to him as a driver.

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:I suppose I qualify as one of the Senna-haters, but I don't think I ever insulted him. I don't recall anyone insulting him, it's just we feel he is not worthy of a spot in F1. Sure, I probably could've laid off a bit, but I think as long as I was critical of Massa when he was nowhere near Alonso, so too should I be critical of Senna when he was just as far off of Maldonado. Anyway, I'll leave my thoughts on Senna in F1 there - hopefully now he can achieve some success in his career in the WEC.

That's rich coming from you, considering you implied di Resta was a cancer on F1.

Svenko Wankerov wrote:

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:I suppose I qualify as one of the Senna-haters, but I don't think I ever insulted him. I don't recall anyone insulting him, it's just we feel he is not worthy of a spot in F1. Sure, I probably could've laid off a bit, but I think as long as I was critical of Massa when he was nowhere near Alonso, so too should I be critical of Senna when he was just as far off of Maldonado. Anyway, I'll leave my thoughts on Senna in F1 there - hopefully now he can achieve some success in his career in the WEC.

That's rich coming from you, considering you implied di Resta was a cancer on F1.

IMO his attitude towards, which is completely under his control, absolutely makes him one. Whereas some of the accepted criticism of Senna here are about factors out of his own control. My problem is with the arbitrary chosen line at which criticism is acceptable that depends on the popularity of a driver.

JJMonty wrote:I do agree though, calling someone a twat (which is another word for c**t) is just as bad as comparing a person to cancer.

AndreaModa wrote:I like some drivers more than others, that goes without saying, but I find it incredibly sad that some people feel the need to have such strong opinions on particular ones, and resort to quite nasty comments like those recently here. If you feel that way, perhaps you shouldn't be watching F1, if it makes you that angry/defensive/whatever.

dr-baker wrote:Senna has already spent 2009 in sportscars, so I can still see him returning at some point to F1. I would love to see Bruno Senna return to Williams Renault in maybe 4 years' time to partner Josh Hill...

Cynon wrote:

JJMonty wrote:I do agree though, calling someone a twat (which is another word for c**t) is just as bad as comparing a person to cancer.

Oh, don't be crabby. (You know... the Cancer zodiac sign... its a crab... ) [/bad joke stemming from a conversation I'm not aware of]

JJMonty wrote:

Cynon wrote:

JJMonty wrote:I do agree though, calling someone a twat (which is another word for c**t) is just as bad as comparing a person to cancer.

Oh, don't be crabby. (You know... the Cancer zodiac sign... its a crab... ) [/bad joke stemming from a conversation I'm not aware of]

Oh very funny!

AndreaModa wrote:That reminds me Daniel, every time I see this in Tesco, guess what I think of?

DanielPT wrote:

AndreaModa wrote:That reminds me Daniel, every time I see this in Tesco, guess what I think of?

Aguri Suzuki?

JJMonty wrote:I do agree though, calling someone a twat (which is another word for c**t) is just as bad as comparing a person to cancer.

Klon wrote:

JJMonty wrote:I do agree though, calling someone a twat (which is another word for c**t) is just as bad as comparing a person to cancer.

Wait, what? Even using the c-word itself is quite a few levels above comparing people to cancer. However, to my professional shame, I was really not aware that twat was so massive in its meaning. I apologise profoundly for that to everyone, once for using the word carelessly and also for failing to convey that my last Senna rant was not as serious as it looked like.

Warren Hughes wrote:[opinion stated as fact]Senna is less of a loss to F1 than Kobayashi, Kovalainen, Glock, Petrov, Sutil, Alguersuari, Buemi or Heidfeld.[/opinion stated as fact]

JJMonty wrote:

Klon wrote:

JJMonty wrote:I do agree though, calling someone a twat (which is another word for c**t) is just as bad as comparing a person to cancer.

Wait, what? Even using the c-word itself is quite a few levels above comparing people to cancer. However, to my professional shame, I was really not aware that twat was so massive in its meaning. I apologise profoundly for that to everyone, once for using the word carelessly and also for failing to convey that my last Senna rant was not as serious as it looked like.

This is why you should be glad you have people like me in this world, full of pointless facts that no one really knows about, but will bore you to death!

It's cool though, I didn't take it very seriously and it doesn't really offend me, though others might have. Eitherway, English is a complicated language to master - so for forum members who's first language is not English, they might not understand the tongue-in-cheek comments, and so they repeat it it but in a more aggressive manner, then the forums standards start going down etc..... Catch my drift?

James1978 wrote:Subject to whoever gets the FI seat, what seems really odd about the line-up is we've got essentially two groups of drivers: The established and proven top champions/race-winners (Red Bulls, Ferraris, Mercs, Raikkonen, Button - yes I'd include Rosberg in that), then rookies or almost-rookies (nobody else has done more than two full seasons), and nobody in-between. Most of the class of 2009 or 2010 have more or less vanished unless they were already established before that - only Grosjean and Hulkenberg are still here and even they both took time out!

Dj_bereta wrote:I don't know. Why Bruno Lalli is so hated? Ok, he didn't do well, but remember, he had a 10 year hiatus in your carrer. I agree that there are some drivers who deserve a seat more than him, also.

I think I'm the only person in this forum that wanted Bruno in FI

Dj_bereta wrote:I don't know. Why Bruno Lalli is so hated? Ok, he didn't do well, but remember, he had a 10 year hiatus in your carrer. I agree that there are some drivers who deserve a seat more than him, also.

I think I'm the only person in this forum that wanted Bruno in FI

James1978 wrote:Subject to whoever gets the FI seat, what seems really odd about the line-up is we've got essentially two groups of drivers: The established and proven top champions/race-winners (Red Bulls, Ferraris, Mercs, Raikkonen, Button - yes I'd include Rosberg in that), then rookies or almost-rookies (nobody else has done more than two full seasons), and nobody in-between. Most of the class of 2009 or 2010 have more or less vanished unless they were already established before that - only Grosjean and Hulkenberg are still here and even they both took time out!

So, one of the most inexperience line-up of F-1 in the last...20 years?

Deccan Chronicle wrote:Narain to join Force India?

The doors of Sahara Force India Formula One team seem to be opening for Narain Karthikeyan. Ever since Vijay Mallya bought the F1 team in 2007, the businessman has been dismissive of Indian drivers even as he tested Narain and Karun Chandhok in a simulator a couple of years back.

But the 2013 season, scheduled to kick-start on March 15, could finally see an Indian behind the wheel of a tricolour-liveried machine.

The official pre-season test has already begun, but the Silverstone-based team are the only outfit who have not yet confirmed their second driver — a teammate for Scot Paul di Resta.

Sources say that Narain, who has managed to get more financial backing than last year, has already been offered a reserve driver role at Force India, but the 36-year-old is keen on landing a proper race drive.

“As soon as Narain’s long-term sponsors Tata increased the budget for 2013, talks with Force India began. Unlike the past, the negotiation has been a lot more positive. As reserve drivers don’t have much of a role in F1 these days, Narain is only interested in the second driver seat. If talks fail, he will probably go to America for IndyCar series where a couple of teams have already shown interest,”said a source.

Adrian Sutil and Bruno Senna were earlier linked with the Force India seat, but Brazilian Senna on Wednesday signed up with Aston Martin for the World Endurance Series raising Narain’s hope.

Narain represented backmarkers Hispania Racing in 2012 and the beleaguered Spanish team are now out of F1.

At last year’s Indian GP, F1 star Lewis Hamilton and the sport’s flamboyant boss Bernie Ecclestone suggested that a move to Sahara Force India could do wonders for Narain, the team and the country.

GwilymJJames wrote:A new challenger appears!

Deccan Chronicle wrote:Narain to join Force India?

The doors of Sahara Force India Formula One team seem to be opening for Narain Karthikeyan. Ever since Vijay Mallya bought the F1 team in 2007, the businessman has been dismissive of Indian drivers even as he tested Narain and Karun Chandhok in a simulator a couple of years back.

But the 2013 season, scheduled to kick-start on March 15, could finally see an Indian behind the wheel of a tricolour-liveried machine.

The official pre-season test has already begun, but the Silverstone-based team are the only outfit who have not yet confirmed their second driver — a teammate for Scot Paul di Resta.

Sources say that Narain, who has managed to get more financial backing than last year, has already been offered a reserve driver role at Force India, but the 36-year-old is keen on landing a proper race drive.

“As soon as Narain’s long-term sponsors Tata increased the budget for 2013, talks with Force India began. Unlike the past, the negotiation has been a lot more positive. As reserve drivers don’t have much of a role in F1 these days, Narain is only interested in the second driver seat. If talks fail, he will probably go to America for IndyCar series where a couple of teams have already shown interest,”said a source.

Adrian Sutil and Bruno Senna were earlier linked with the Force India seat, but Brazilian Senna on Wednesday signed up with Aston Martin for the World Endurance Series raising Narain’s hope.

Narain represented backmarkers Hispania Racing in 2012 and the beleaguered Spanish team are now out of F1.

At last year’s Indian GP, F1 star Lewis Hamilton and the sport’s flamboyant boss Bernie Ecclestone suggested that a move to Sahara Force India could do wonders for Narain, the team and the country.