Ponderbox

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 12 Jun 2013, 13:09

dr-baker wrote:A blonde walks into a bar and asks for a double entendre. So the barman gave her one...

dr-baker being lewd. And here I was thinking I've seen everything. :lol:

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 13 Jun 2013, 12:33

I'm listing drivers who had one full season of F1 - and that's it.

Bruni (2004 with Minardi) - His name reminded me of Nicolas Sarkozy's wife when I first saw it.

Wilson (2003 with Minardi and Jaguar)

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 13 Jun 2013, 15:31

Johnny Dumfries
Esteban Tuero
Allan McNish
Lucas di Grassi

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 13 Jun 2013, 16:14

good_Ralf wrote:I'm listing drivers who had one full season of F1 - and that's it.

Bruni (2004 with Minardi) - His name reminded me of Nicolas Sarkozy's wife when I first saw it.
Wilson (2003 with Minardi and Jaguar)

Bleu wrote:Johnny Dumfries
Esteban Tuero
Allan McNish
Lucas di Grassi

NO, you have Missed the greatest ever driver, Perry McCarthy

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 13 Jun 2013, 16:19

I thought "di Grassi doesn't qualify!", and then I realised I was thinking of da Matta. And McCarthy didn't do a full season.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 14 Jun 2013, 04:20

Dave Walker qualifies for it?

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 14 Jun 2013, 07:58

good_Ralf wrote:I'm listing drivers who had one full season of F1 - and that's it.

Ralph Firman - and that was one season too many. Stupid posh boy that he was :evil:

girry · Post by **girry** » 14 Jun 2013, 08:45

Ralph Firman didn't do a full season, and for not remembering why I believe papaya cannons are already looking for their target CoopsII...

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 14 Jun 2013, 08:50

Yeah thats true but he was a one season wonder was my point, he did complete the season. Arriving with a rich racing heritage, some Senna anecdotes and very little noticeable ability.

I didnt take to him, can you tell?

madmark1974 · Post by **madmark1974** » 14 Jun 2013, 10:36

Bleu wrote:Johnny Dumfries
Esteban Tuero
Allan McNish
Lucas di Grassi

McNish and Di Grassi both missed racing at Suzuka, thanks to incompetance through 130R ... Though technically Di Grassi was there on the grid, he never started the race.

I instantly thought of McNish and Firman, then realised they didn't qualify once I checked their stats.

Dumfries DNQd at Monaco so technically can't be included.

Tuero qualifies though. There must be more, I'll do some digging ...

EDIT : Found this list : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_drivers ... working through it!

OK so by that list I've also found Danny Sullivan from 1983 - though he was DSQd from Canada he did take the start.

From what I can see, the only drivers are : Gianmaria Bruni, Danny Sullivan, Esteban Tuero and Justin Wilson.

P.S. Dave Walker did one race in 1971, and didn't do the whole of 1972.

Could Chilton, Bianchi, GUT or GVdG be added to the list in the future I wonder?

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 14 Jun 2013, 12:03

On the evidence madmark has given, I'd be inclined to count di Grassi, McNish and Dumfries. All three participated in those "missing" race weekends with the intention of racing, and all three participated in qualifying. I'd say you can count a season as incomplete if the driver crashed in qualifying, was injured for the weekend and was replaced for the remainder of the practice sessions and the qualifying at that race - e.g. Ralph Firman (Hungary 2003, and we all know who that brought to the circus).

Of the current crop of potential one-season wonders, Max Chilton is the most likely to be added to the list if he ends up a victim of the Virgin-Marussia curse, Jules Bianchi almost certainly won't do the same, Giedo van der Garde might not see out the whole season, and Gutiérrez Gutiérrez Gutiérrez will be driving in F1 for as long as Telmex keep coughing up cash to Sauber.

madmark1974 · Post by **madmark1974** » 14 Jun 2013, 12:14

dinizintheoven wrote:On the evidence madmark has given, I'd be inclined to count di Grassi, McNish and Dumfries. All three participated in those "missing" race weekends with the intention of racing, and all three participated in qualifying. I'd say you can count a season as incomplete if the driver crashed in qualifying, was injured for the weekend and was replaced for the remainder of the practice sessions and the qualifying at that race - e.g. Ralph Firman (Hungary 2003, and we all know who that brought to the circus).

Of the current crop of potential one-season wonders, Max Chilton is the most likely to be added to the list if he ends up a victim of the Virgin-Marussia curse, Jules Bianchi almost certainly won't do the same, Giedo van der Garde might not see out the whole season, and Gutiérrez Gutiérrez Gutiérrez will be driving in F1 for as long as Telmex keep coughing up cash to Sauber.

Yeah, I agree that Chilton may well get just this season, and I can't see anyone else wanting him if Marussia do drop him. Van der Garde has Heikki waiting in the wings as well as several others if he doesn't improve.

If Sauber continue doing this badly, will they still be around for next season I wonder? In that instance, someone might take on GUT as a reserve driver, so he might have a chance again in the future. It worked for D'Ambrosio ...

And yes, you would have to assume that Bianchi will be around for a while yet.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 14 Jun 2013, 12:21

madmark1974 wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:On the evidence madmark has given, I'd be inclined to count di Grassi, McNish and Dumfries. All three participated in those "missing" race weekends with the intention of racing, and all three participated in qualifying. I'd say you can count a season as incomplete if the driver crashed in qualifying, was injured for the weekend and was replaced for the remainder of the practice sessions and the qualifying at that race - e.g. Ralph Firman (Hungary 2003, and we all know who that brought to the circus).

Of the current crop of potential one-season wonders, Max Chilton is the most likely to be added to the list if he ends up a victim of the Virgin-Marussia curse, Jules Bianchi almost certainly won't do the same, Giedo van der Garde might not see out the whole season, and Gutiérrez Gutiérrez Gutiérrez will be driving in F1 for as long as Telmex keep coughing up cash to Sauber.

Yeah, I agree that Chilton may well get just this season, and I can't see anyone else wanting him if Marussia do drop him. Van der Garde has Heikki waiting in the wings as well as several others if he doesn't improve.

If Sauber continue doing this badly, will they still be around for next season I wonder? In that instance, someone might take on GUT as a reserve driver, so he might have a chance again in the future. It worked for D'Ambrosio ...

And yes, you would have to assume that Bianchi will be around for a while yet.

Why would Heikki want to go back to Caterham. He spent 3 years there trying to drag it to places it didn't belong and it eventually got to him. Personally i would like to see him partner Kimi at Lotus because i feel he is just as good as Kimi

Zetec · Post by **Zetec** » 14 Jun 2013, 12:24

dinizintheoven wrote:Giedo van der Garde might not see out the whole season.

Don't forget, that Giedo brings alot more cash than Pic does. Have you ever wonder, why Pic has to sit out FP1, if Kovalainen or Rossi step in? Because you should never ever upset the cash cow's sponsors.
So, it would be quite foulish of Caterham to get rid of Giedo.

madmark1974 · Post by **madmark1974** » 14 Jun 2013, 12:26

Kimi-ICE wrote:Why would Heikki want to go back to Caterham. He spent 3 years there trying to drag it to places it didn't belong and it eventually got to him. Personally i would like to see him partner Kimi at Lotus because i feel he is just as good as Kimi

Well he already did (I think) 2 FP sessions for them this season and has been loitering with intent in the garages. Heikki wants 'in' - it's just that no-one wants him :cry:

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 14 Jun 2013, 12:27

dinizintheoven wrote:On the evidence madmark has given, I'd be inclined to count di Grassi, McNish and Dumfries. All three participated in those "missing" race weekends with the intention of racing, and all three participated in qualifying. I'd say you can count a season as incomplete if the driver crashed in qualifying, was injured for the weekend and was replaced for the remainder of the practice sessions and the qualifying at that race - e.g. Ralph Firman (Hungary 2003, and we all know who that brought to the circus).

Of the current crop of potential one-season wonders, Max Chilton is the most likely to be added to the list if he ends up a victim of the Virgin-Marussia curse, Jules Bianchi almost certainly won't do the same, Giedo van der Garde might not see out the whole season, and Gutiérrez Gutiérrez Gutiérrez will be driving in F1 for as long as Telmex keep coughing up cash to Sauber.

Had Firman returned to Monza, I would have counted him as well. As it happened, he missed that one event and also one race. The crash happened in the Saturday's free practice by the way.

madmark1974 · Post by **madmark1974** » 14 Jun 2013, 12:39

Bleu wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:On the evidence madmark has given, I'd be inclined to count di Grassi, McNish and Dumfries. All three participated in those "missing" race weekends with the intention of racing, and all three participated in qualifying. I'd say you can count a season as incomplete if the driver crashed in qualifying, was injured for the weekend and was replaced for the remainder of the practice sessions and the qualifying at that race - e.g. Ralph Firman (Hungary 2003, and we all know who that brought to the circus).

Of the current crop of potential one-season wonders, Max Chilton is the most likely to be added to the list if he ends up a victim of the Virgin-Marussia curse, Jules Bianchi almost certainly won't do the same, Giedo van der Garde might not see out the whole season, and Gutiérrez Gutiérrez Gutiérrez will be driving in F1 for as long as Telmex keep coughing up cash to Sauber.

Had Firman returned to Monza, I would have counted him as well. As it happened, he missed that one event and also one race. The crash happened in the Saturday's free practice by the way.

Well, whatever good_ralf wanted, he's now got two definitive answers to go on. F1 rejects forums - giving you extra since 2009 ...

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 15 Jun 2013, 01:05

madmark1974 wrote:Well, whatever good_ralf wanted, he's now got two definitive answers to go on. F1 rejects forums - giving you extra since 2009 ...

And neither mario nor ibsey were involved...

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 15 Jun 2013, 16:43

Watch this link to an rFactor video and look at the left of the screen. What you will see might make you gasp.

By the way, I posted that question about one-season only F1 drivers because I just wanted to see many you could think of.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 16 Jun 2013, 11:47

lgaquino wrote:This video offers, I think, the closest perspective I've seen so far.
a helmet cam, with Kubica driving [much better positioned than the one used by vettel last year]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpLjvkh4hQE

Still not sure if it's level with the driver's eye, but it's certainly closer than others. I believe the driver would in fact be able to see the yellow perpendicular lines on the grid slot

HD First Time Ever REAL Eye-Level Camera FORMULA 1 | Lucas di Grassi
http://youtu.be/7-oG5dOlp7M

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 16 Jun 2013, 14:40

What happened to Jarno Trulli? He's been unheard of since he got released from Caterham.

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 16 Jun 2013, 14:47

Gone back to his vineyard, hasn't he? Only thing is, last year's harvest was late because there were problems with a certain component on one of his tractors. And it wasn't the differential, the alternator or the electric sunroof.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 16 Jun 2013, 15:18

darkapprentice77 wrote:What happened to Jarno Trulli? He's been unheard of since he got released from Caterham.

Isn't he suing Caterham? Of course, Trulli was signed for 2012 but then got fired shortly before the year got underway.

Post by **mario** » 16 Jun 2013, 16:51

dinizintheoven wrote:Gone back to his vineyard, hasn't he? Only thing is, last year's harvest was late because there were problems with a certain component on one of his tractors. And it wasn't the differential, the alternator or the electric sunroof.

He has indeed turned to his vineyards since being forced out of the team - it seems that the way in which he was forced out of Caterham also removed much of the motivation he had left for continuing to race in any sort of motorsport.

good_Ralf wrote:
darkapprentice77 wrote:What happened to Jarno Trulli? He's been unheard of since he got released from Caterham.

Isn't he suing Caterham? Of course, Trulli was signed for 2012 but then got fired shortly before the year got underway.

Yes, it does appear that Trulli is launching legal action against Fernandes - he is claiming that he agreed to leave the team in 2012 in return for financial compensation, as per the terms of his contract, but alleges that Caterham has failed to pay up.

Ferrarist · Post by **Ferrarist** » 16 Jun 2013, 17:22

darkapprentice77 wrote:What happened to Jarno Trulli? He's been unheard of since he got released from Caterham.

Didn't he want to set foot into NASCAR? I wonder why he hasn't done so by now. Clearly Nelsinho Piquet has shown how one can approach NASCAR.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 16 Jun 2013, 17:38

Ferrarist wrote:
darkapprentice77 wrote:What happened to Jarno Trulli? He's been unheard of since he got released from Caterham.

Didn't he want to set foot into NASCAR? I wonder why he hasn't done so by now. Clearly Nelsinho Piquet has shown how one can approach NASCAR.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was as mario said - that getting shoved out Caterham kind of killed his passion for racing. A shame, really.

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 16 Jun 2013, 17:47

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if it was as mario said - that getting shoved out Caterham kind of killed his passion for racing. A shame, really.

And that's if two years with a not-particularly-advancing Caterham-was-"Lotus" hadn't already done so.

I've checked his results, and in his first three races, he finished 9th, 12th and 9th - all with Minardi, and all further up the field than he ever managed in two entire seasons in those green cars.

Post by **Londoner** » 16 Jun 2013, 20:41

I'd like to see Vettel drive one of these beasts... :lol:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/48828195@N07/8746479831/

Come to think of it, a virtual series involving these would be quite something, wouldn't it.

Post by **Ataxia** » 16 Jun 2013, 21:03

So I've been thinking about McLaren's driving lineup, but not in terms of ability like most media hacks do. I'm thinking about the future of it.

Button's probably got a couple of years left, and I don't see him staying past 2014. Perez is their hope for the future, and if he can keep outdoing Button then with a good car underneath him he's definitely championship material. But who would join him?

I went to check out how Kevin Magnussen is doing (not having access to FR3.5 coverage, ya see) and it appears that he's got quite a gap at the top of the championship. Is it realistic to imagine McLaren would put him in the car for 2015?

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 16 Jun 2013, 21:07

Ataxia wrote:So I've been thinking about McLaren's driving lineup, but not in terms of ability like most media hacks do. I'm thinking about the future of it.

Button's probably got a couple of years left, and I don't see him staying past 2014. Perez is their hope for the future, and if he can keep outdoing Button then with a good car underneath him he's definitely championship material. But who would join him?

I went to check out how Kevin Magnussen is doing (not having access to FR3.5 coverage, ya see) and it appears that he's got quite a gap at the top of the championship. Is it realistic to imagine McLaren would put him in the car for 2015?

I'm pretty sure, given from how Button was talking around the Honda announcement, that he'll be around for 2015 at least.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 17 Jun 2013, 06:29

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Ataxia wrote:So I've been thinking about McLaren's driving lineup, but not in terms of ability like most media hacks do. I'm thinking about the future of it.

Button's probably got a couple of years left, and I don't see him staying past 2014. Perez is their hope for the future, and if he can keep outdoing Button then with a good car underneath him he's definitely championship material. But who would join him?

I went to check out how Kevin Magnussen is doing (not having access to FR3.5 coverage, ya see) and it appears that he's got quite a gap at the top of the championship. Is it realistic to imagine McLaren would put him in the car for 2015?

I'm pretty sure, given from how Button was talking around the Honda announcement, that he'll be around for 2015 at least.

And you also have to remember that Button is still only 33 (Yes, I know that's hard to believe considering he's the most experienced driver on the grid by quite some margin). Which means he'd still have a good 3-4 years left in him at the very least.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 17 Jun 2013, 07:34

Both Button and Perez will probably stay when Honda steps in. Because Vodafone's contract ends this year, McLaren will desperately need a new title sponsor, especially in the rough situation they are in at the moment - If Toro Rosso will regularly be able to score points with the MP4/29 not improving (or having its upgrading halted to focus on the 2014 car), they could even end up 7th in the WCC. But even if they pull off a 09 turn-around, the best they will probably get to is 4th, and that takes Lotus' current form into account... if the E21 gets better, 5th is the best achievable result for the Woking squad, and even with that they have to fight off Force India.

Perez' money will step in next year with Telmex sponsorship, and it'll be probably a financial painkiller. I wouldn't even be surprised if Carlos Slim pays up the loss of money in the WCC as long as Perez has a car...

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 17 Jun 2013, 14:38

Wizzie wrote:And you also have to remember that Button is still only 33 (Yes, I know that's hard to believe considering he's the most experienced driver on the grid by quite some margin). Which means he'd still have a good 3-4 years left in him at the very least.

I think he has more years left in him if he has the right mindset. Which, at the moment, he does not appear to. I'd certainly be feeling fed up if the car was sub-par, struggling for a second year in a row, being shown up by a far younger team-mate. He looks exasperated in every interview.

If I were JB, I'd either try to replace Webber, where he'd be guaranteed a fast car, or just give up. Vettel-Webber and Hamilton-Button were quite similar situations, but the respective drivers just handled it differently. It would probably be a good fit for both team and driver. Now, people say Red Bull is basically Vettel Racing, but, it seems ridiculous to suggest they would actively go out of the way to make Button number two. Button would start in the same place, and have the chance to get ahead. He probably wouldn't be able to take it, but then, we all said he'd be destroyed by Hamilton at McLaren, and look how that unfolded...

lgaquino · Post by **lgaquino** » 17 Jun 2013, 16:51

Jocke1 wrote:
lgaquino wrote:This video offers, I think, the closest perspective I've seen so far.
a helmet cam, with Kubica driving [much better positioned than the one used by vettel last year]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpLjvkh4hQE

Still not sure if it's level with the driver's eye, but it's certainly closer than others. I believe the driver would in fact be able to see the yellow perpendicular lines on the grid slot

HD First Time Ever REAL Eye-Level Camera FORMULA 1 | Lucas di Grassi
http://youtu.be/7-oG5dOlp7M

Gosh that's low... surely for one to stop at the right place on the grid slot, someone has to radio "STOP!" hehehe

Post by **mario** » 17 Jun 2013, 18:33

lgaquino wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:
lgaquino wrote:This video offers, I think, the closest perspective I've seen so far.
a helmet cam, with Kubica driving [much better positioned than the one used by vettel last year]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpLjvkh4hQE

Still not sure if it's level with the driver's eye, but it's certainly closer than others. I believe the driver would in fact be able to see the yellow perpendicular lines on the grid slot

HD First Time Ever REAL Eye-Level Camera FORMULA 1 | Lucas di Grassi
http://youtu.be/7-oG5dOlp7M

Gosh that's low... surely for one to stop at the right place on the grid slot, someone has to radio "STOP!" hehehe

They tend to paint a line extending out from the front of the grid slot far enough to the side for the driver to be able to see it - it's not ideal, but it is one way around the lack of forward vision with that seating position.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 17 Jun 2013, 19:25

Not that I would consider myself a fan of MotoGP, but why has Monaco never featured on the MotoGP calendar?

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 17 Jun 2013, 19:38

WeirdKerr wrote:Not that I would consider myself a fan of MotoGP, but why has Monaco never featured on the MotoGP calendar?

I think it's pretty obvious why. The barriers can mangle the bikes and there is a serious risk of riders injuring themselves or even getting killed with one smack against the barrier. This is probably whythere are no street circuits in Motogp let alone Monaco. Would you really want to risk riders lives just for the glamour? I certainly wouldn't

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 17 Jun 2013, 19:46

This at Monaco:
http://youtu.be/cjEwawDn27w?t=1m52s

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 18 Jun 2013, 21:40

Kimi-ICE wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:Not that I would consider myself a fan of MotoGP, but why has Monaco never featured on the MotoGP calendar?

I think it's pretty obvious why. The barriers can mangle the bikes and there is a serious risk of riders injuring themselves or even getting killed with one smack against the barrier. This is probably whythere are no street circuits in Motogp let alone Monaco. Would you really want to risk riders lives just for the glamour? I certainly wouldn't.

Manx TT? TT3D: Closer To The Edge came out in the cinemas in the UK at a similar time to Senna, and the two films are different but equally as facinating. It's a very dangerous event, in which there have been 200+ deaths in about a century around the 37.73-mile/60.72km street/mountain track. In the 2010 film, a rider dies, and his widow states:

Bridget Dobbs, widow of Paul Dobbs, 'Dobbsy' wrote:You can't love the death. You can't love the loss. But you can't love the excitment and the thrill without knowing that that's part of it.

The film explores this very subject, and summerises that none of the riders are forced to compete. In fact, the problem is trying to stop them, even when they are fully aware of the dangers and what they are letting themselves in for. I'm not excusing it, but if they are doing it under their own volition, and there is coercion to stop them but they wish to do it anyway, why not provide them an outlet, and give them medical cover at the same time?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wTK9dO9O5A : 7:40 into highlights coverage of the race from the film...

I would like to add that if you enjoyed watching the Senna film, then this is a must-see...

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 19 Jun 2013, 09:03

Kimi-ICE wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:Not that I would consider myself a fan of MotoGP, but why has Monaco never featured on the MotoGP calendar?

I think it's pretty obvious why. The barriers can mangle the bikes and there is a serious risk of riders injuring themselves or even getting killed with one smack against the barrier. This is probably whythere are no street circuits in Motogp let alone Monaco. Would you really want to risk riders lives just for the glamour? I certainly wouldn't

Think of the bike races in Macau, it would probably be about the same, if not worse.