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Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 09 Feb 2013, 14:05
by dr-baker
DanielPT wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:I don't know. Why Bruno Lalli is so hated? Ok, he didn't do well, but remember, he had a 10 year hiatus in your carrer. I agree that there are some drivers who deserve a seat more than him, also.

I think I'm the only person in this forum that wanted Bruno in FI :lol:


No, not the only one. I have always been a believer of Bruno, but he never quite proved he was right for F1. Let's not forget his racing career was frozen for many years and he actually beat many soon-to-be F1 drivers in only his second year of GP2. I think he can be fast and I would like him to have another shot at it, if it weren't for the fact that better deserving drivers also got sidelined for 2013.

I think now is the time for me to "come out of the closet" and agree with these two, that I too wish Bruno more time in F1.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 09 Feb 2013, 14:44
by solarcold
Me too hopes Senna does a grosjean.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 09 Feb 2013, 14:53
by AdrianSutil
Me too. Always been a fan. Nice bloke, deserves a 'part 2' in a year or two.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 09 Feb 2013, 19:42
by S951

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 00:35
by TomWazzleshaw
Big rumour from the Bathurst 12 Hour that Mark Webber may be Le Mans bound with Porsche's endurance racing program next year. If it's true, then next year's silly season just got a whole lot more interesting.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 00:43
by Cynon


I am okay with this.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 01:21
by Zetec
I would fancy to see Narain driving for FI. Then we finally know, how much speed he got.

And I already started to wonder, why he's still not confirmed for an Indy drive :D Because he is still looking for an F1 seat :D

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 07:26
by Chives5150
I kind of always hate seeing someone lose their job. Luckily for Bruno, he has the WEC ride lined up for him. At least there he can stay sharp for another possible trip back to Formula 1.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 09:21
by CarlosFerreira
Chives5150 wrote:I kind of always hate seeing someone lose their job. Luckily for Bruno, he has the WEC ride lined up for him. At least there he can stay sharp for another possible trip back to Formula 1.


Bruno is a good racer, who may we go on to do great things in endurance racing. He reminds me a little of Pedro Lamy.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 10 Feb 2013, 12:53
by Aerospeed
I'm not too sure if anyone's mentioned this before, but I just read that the Nurburg's been confirmed for the German GP this year, which is good for people who want to watch the race there. (Link)

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 16:19
by GwilymJJames
Squire went to Silverstone today. Let's blindly speculate about him signing for either Force India or Scorpion.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 09:41
by CoopsII
Is it a coincidence that while the second Force India drive is about to be announced the Pope has suddenly become available??

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 09:50
by CarlosFerreira
CoopsII wrote:Is it a coincidence that while the second Force India drive is about to be announced the Pope has suddenly become available??


Now there's something I'd like to see.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 09:52
by TomWazzleshaw
CarlosFerreira wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Is it a coincidence that while the second Force India drive is about to be announced the Pope has suddenly become available??


Now there's something I'd like to see.


Pope Benedict and Don Pentecost at Scorpion for next year. You heard it hear first.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 10:17
by CoopsII
Wizzie wrote:Pope Benedict and Don Pentecost at Scorpion for next year. You heard it hear first.

Could be problematic. I heard they fell out when they were in Formula Vauxhall...

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 10:32
by FullMetalJack
Wizzie wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Is it a coincidence that while the second Force India drive is about to be announced the Pope has suddenly become available??


Now there's something I'd like to see.


Pope Benedict and Don Pentecost at Scorpion for next year. You heard it hear first.


Alex Wurz for pope?

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 10:50
by RonDenisDeletraz
Starting to think Pentecost is just Paul Di Resta in disguise

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 13:22
by dinizintheoven
Wizzie wrote:Pope Benedict and Don Pentecost at Scorpion for next year. You heard it hear first.

I can see it now...

Don Pentecost wrote:What's goin' on here, y'all? It is I, DON PENTECOST, who is destined to be the OLDEST FORMULA 1 REGISTERED TRADEMARK CHAMPION EVER. Then y'all bring in this GERMAN who's old enough to be my GRANDPAPPY and have him race in the same team as me, DON PENTECOST, the CHOSEN ONE. And then y'all tell me GRANDPAPPY here has been in charge of the FALSE CHURCH that's in league with SATAN and HITLER and COMMIES instead of the TRUE CHURCH OF 'MERICA which is TRUE and means GOD and JESUS and ALL THE ANGELS will guide me, DON PENTECOST, to be the OLDEST FORMULA 1 REGISTERED TRADEMARK CHAMPION EVER and a good BLUE COLLAR WORKER who TRUE 'MERICANS can look up to instead of this RICH, PRIVILEGED COMMIE NAZI UNTRUE CHURCH GUY. I'm gon' beat his ass inta next week, y'all will see!

Luis Pérez-Sala, who's taken the job of on-the-pit-wall head honcho at Scorpion wrote:Pope Benedict is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?

Don Pentecost wrote:AWWWWWW, DANG IT! THIS AIN'T FAIR! Y'ALL ARE GON' PAY FOR THIS! Watch me. Our pappy, in the clouds upstairs, holy be y'all's name...

God wrote:Bathplug off, Don!

Don Pentecost wrote:What?

God wrote:I said, bathplug off!

Don Pentecost wrote:Now look here, God, don't make me open a can o' whoopass on y'all...

God wrote:*groan* Satan, take this one for me, will you?

Satan wrote:You bet!

Thor wrote:I want in as well!

Neptune wrote:Me too!

Arthur Brown wrote:I am the god of hellfire!

Paul di Resta wrote:I think you're forgetting who's more important than all of you here...

All the gods who have ever been dreamed up, written about, and hallucinated after a bit too much absinthe wrote:SHUT UP, AND NEVER SAY A WORD AGAIN IN THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!

Lemmy wrote:Actually, everyone stand aside. Leave this to me.


But the gods didn't take this lying down, and in the end they all pulled together. Don Pentecost, lapping six seconds slower than his 85-year-old team-mate who was used to being driven around at walking pace in a Perspex box on wheels, was simultaneously hit by waves of fire, lightning and a tidal wave from the sea, as well as having his car blown to bits by 200 dB's worth of Ace Of Spades.

And still, he didn't get the message.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 13:30
by UncreativeUsername37
dinizintheoven wrote:(Quotes)

But the gods didn't take this lying down, and in the end they all pulled together. Don Pentecost, lapping six seconds slower than his 85-year-old team-mate who was used to being driven around at walking pace in a Perspex box on wheels, was simultaneously hit by waves of fire, lightning and a tidal wave from the sea, as well as having his car blown to bits by 200 dB's worth of Ace Of Spades.

And still, he didn't get the message.

What's even the point of anyone else posting anymore when you already have all these nominations for post of the year?

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 14:57
by FullMetalJack
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:(Quotes)

But the gods didn't take this lying down, and in the end they all pulled together. Don Pentecost, lapping six seconds slower than his 85-year-old team-mate who was used to being driven around at walking pace in a Perspex box on wheels, was simultaneously hit by waves of fire, lightning and a tidal wave from the sea, as well as having his car blown to bits by 200 dB's worth of Ace Of Spades.

And still, he didn't get the message.

What's even the point of anyone else posting anymore when you already have all these nominations for post of the year?


We should just give up

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 17:32
by FMecha
2013 Post of the Year War: dinizintheoven vs Jocke1. You heard it here first. :D

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 17:40
by DemocalypseNow
redbulljack14 wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:(Quotes)

But the gods didn't take this lying down, and in the end they all pulled together. Don Pentecost, lapping six seconds slower than his 85-year-old team-mate who was used to being driven around at walking pace in a Perspex box on wheels, was simultaneously hit by waves of fire, lightning and a tidal wave from the sea, as well as having his car blown to bits by 200 dB's worth of Ace Of Spades.

And still, he didn't get the message.

What's even the point of anyone else posting anymore when you already have all these nominations for post of the year?


We should just give up

I at least have the consolation of winning the sig prizes. The difference is my one-liners are sometimes okay, while dinizintheoven crafts long stories that have our ribs tickled by the end. It's the duration of it that helps it hit home.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 13 Feb 2013, 12:36
by takagi_for_the_win
FMecha wrote:2013 Post of the Year War: dinizintheoven vs Jocke1. You heard it here first. :D


I can see that being a very one sided war.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 00:40
by dinizintheoven
Stramala [kostas22] wrote:I at least have the consolation of winning the sig prizes. The difference is my one-liners are sometimes okay, while dinizintheoven crafts long stories that have our ribs tickled by the end. It's the duration of it that helps it hit home.

You want to know the secret? Spend your teenage years and early twenties watching Eddie Izzard's stand-up shows non-stop. He gets an idea, one idea, and before you know it, it snowballs into a ten-minute routine that looks like a load of non-sequiturs that somehow are sequiturs, nobody quite knows how, only the man-in-a-dress himself. Learning the clarinet, a random Australian, a Welsh Pavlov all in a house in Austria with elephants ski-jumping off the roof? Bonkers to any random person in the street, but just another ordinary day in Izzard-land.

Witness the infamous "rant". You know how that happened? FMecha said "spend the remaining credits on speed". I thought of a very different kind of speed to what is usually associated with this forum (unless it's René Arnoux or James Hunt we're talking about). What happens to people who experiment with that type of speed? They talk very loudly, very fast, and so... I ran with it. Each part of what would be an individual part of a sentence in the resultant wall of text contained a spark for the next bit. It's like solving one of those coded crosswords - the ones with an empty grid, and numbers coding for each letter. It starts with filling in one word, say five letters, Z-B-- hence I think it's "ZEBRA", I fill it in, now I know where all the Es, Rs and As go in there, but rather than filling it in methodically, I'll fill in a load of Es and Rs, see another word that is obvious, fill that in, fill the other letters in from that word, or at least some of them, and if it's got an S or T in there do much the better, and I haven't got to the As yet - because several things all leap out at once. The same thing happens with these posts; one fragment of a sentence leads to several more ideas, and the result of the chain reaction is what you see there. See it this way: locate the bit in the middle where Sir Bernie's spoiled daughter, Princess Darciella, falls out of a limo outside a nightclub. So I think - nightclub, bouncer, Jimmy Marku, he's got a job as a bouncer, and he came from Albania originally. Then, "Albania", I think of news reports from the Balkan wars (that Albania almost got dragged into) with old, wizened women with no teeth. Also, Top Gear's just been there, hence the reference to the Bentley Mulsanne that was an old Zastava with a Kosovo numberplate. Oh, right, communist car, that leads us to the REECCS, which I knew came from RFactor's East Cars mod, where I'd thought it odd that the Polish car was a Polski-Fiat 126p and not a Polonez, hey, look, Poland... Robert Kubica! And his dodgy arm that's been bolted back together a bit like mine. And Alessandro Nannini's, because I remember that happening at the time... and so on, and so on.

I wouldn't mind betting Jocke1 has much the same thought processes, only his are in Swedish. Now, let's see where that leads. Swedish... Sabaton! Call to arms, banners fly in the wind... a bit like all the banners at racetracks. "Don't worry MAN5ELL, Only nuts come from Brazil!" Only Brazil nuts don't come with their shells on any more because of some odd EU law that stops it, which is about as mad as that campaign to standardise the curvature of the banana. Why don't they make bananas look like Turn 8 at Istanbul Park? I always thought that corner was curved, Turkish and deadly and should have been called The Scimitar. The car about which it is compulsory to say "Princess Anne had one of those, you know." Yes, I did know, though I had no idea they were so good at carrying horses. Not as good as Tesco's, though! Anyone fancy a burger? I do, even after seeing The Burger Kitchen episode of Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares. He's not as hard as he looks, mind, he can't even eat a tiny piece of hákarl without chundering. I can, and I proved it when I went to Iceland. The country, not the supermarket, although the supermarket's frozen Chinese takeaway is really rather good considering it's from a cheap frozen food supermarket. It was how I whiled away the New Year, Iceland's Chinese takeaway and a marathon of all three extended Lord Of The Rings films back-to-back. I'll do that with The Hobbit trilogy eventually, but I'll be 36 before it's possible, which is as old as Mark Webber is now. He's come a long way since those two points in Melbourne in a Minardi, standing up on the podium with Paul Stoddart, which is the only time anyone associated with Minardi's ever been up there, unless you count Sebastian Vettel winning at Monza in 2008 in a Toro Rosso which is derived from a Minardi, had Minardi employees working on it, James Allan told us so on the day. Some people find him very irritating, but that day his enthusiasm for Perfect Seb's first win was the perfect soundtrack, and I could let him off anything. It even helped to bring back that enthusiasm for F1 that so many people had lost during the Boring Schumacher Years, especially 2004, I mean, look at all those wins... how did Jarno Trulli and Jenson Button ever get a chance to fight each other for that Monaco win? Actually, I went to Monaco in 2008 and walked round the track, doing an impression of Murray commentating on a race that was just being set up at the time, in which Jenson overtook the Trulli Train for the win, and you could say I called it, because Jenson did with a year later in that Brawn and had to run to the podium. Unlike James May, who will absolutely never run on TV unless it's absolutely necessary, and though I'll never share his taste in flowery shirts and orange shoes there's a lot about me that's very similar to him. Although I've got more hair, and I'm not in my fifties yet. When I am, some of the members of this forum might even be old enough to drink! Anyone fancy a pint? I'll have a Dragonhead Stout, from the marvellous Orkney brewery, even though I've just been to Shetland for Up Helly Aa and Orkney beers seemed to have taken over Shetland... not that I mind, because Dragonhead is so dark that light cannot pass through it and bends round it instead. I could probably have set up a few pints of Dragonhead on the pub table and seen if I could make a reconstruction of the Nürburgring to race light beams around, but I suspect I'd get thrown out of the pub, a bit like Dr. Bunhead did on Brainiac for his "Pub Science" experiments, which I've done myself - though it was a demonstration for some small schoolkids that I'd usually avoid like the plague because I'm never going to be a parent, and yes, it was in a pub, but they may have had special dispensation to do so for the day. I was handing round some of that cornflour-plus-food-colouring slime that's a non-Newtonian fluid that hardens when you hit it and pulls on your fingers... one of the kids cried when he touched it. I mean, it's not that scary, is it? Unlike Bernie Ecclestone's hair, which is... I reckon it's got a mind of its own, a bit like that episode of The Simpsons where Snake is executed and Homer has his hair transplanted onto his head... probably non-canon, it'll have been one of those Halloween episodes, although the best of those was Hex And The City which involved the Simpson family being cursed by a gypsy and Homer had to throw a leprechaun at her, who was a tiny version of a stereotypical Irish drunk who "angrily jabbered in an Irish accent" and made no sense at all, in the same way that Paul di Resta doesn't make any sense when he talks about how he'll be World Champion in three months. Well, he hasn't said that yet, but I'll bet he will. It's as if he's becoming his own personality on the F1 Slate, which I should go and check to see what fiendishly arrogant comments Michael Schumacher has come up with, or what bawdy innuendo we're going to get from Jenson Button...

I was trying to get it completely circular so we'd come back to Sweden again, but Paul di Resta stopped me in my tracks. Bah. Still, a few more mentions of jam and radiators here, an impression of Sean Connery there, and Mr Izzard, I'll have your job if you don't mind. Though without the dress and the make-up.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 00:42
by dinizintheoven
Alternatively, take this last post as a warning. Watching too many Eddie Izzard stand-up shows, coupled with the acquisition of 33 and a half years of useless knowledge, will do this to you...

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 12:27
by Faustus
dinizintheoven wrote:Alternatively, take this last post as a warning. Watching too many Eddie Izzard stand-up shows, coupled with the acquisition of 33 and a half years of useless knowledge, will do this to you...


I'll see that and I'll raise you 35 years and reading too much Douglas Adams far too often.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 14:04
by GwilymJJames
Sutil's having a seat fitting at Force India, apparently.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 14:44
by Zetec
Sutil seems to lack some self-esteem. Creeping back to the team who fired him...

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 15:38
by Svenko Wankerov
Zetec wrote:Sutil seems to lack some self-esteem. Creeping back to the team who fired him...

Yeah Sutil should have glassed Mallya on the way out.

Self-esteem only buys you a seat in touring cars.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 15:41
by Meatwad
Zetec wrote:Sutil seems to lack some self-esteem. Creeping back to the team who fired him...

It's still better than driving a Caterham or Marussia.

I was personally really surprised to see De la Rosa replace Pérez in the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix after Sauber had replaced him with Heidfeld the season before. Some people just don't bear grudges. :)

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 18:01
by Klon
I for my part am more concerned with Force India rehiring Sutil when better options are available, both from a comedic and serious point of view.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 19:04
by mario
Zetec wrote:Sutil seems to lack some self-esteem. Creeping back to the team who fired him...

The rumours suggest that Sutil has been one of the preferred candidate for the team for some time, so the team seem to want him back as much as he may want to be back in F1. He does at least have the advantage of some sense of continuity with the team, but there is hardly a shortage of experienced drivers on the market at the moment - there are two drivers (Glock and Kovalainen) who are more experienced than Sutil and are roughly the same age.

Klon wrote:I for my part am more concerned with Force India rehiring Sutil when better options are available, both from a comedic and serious point of view.

I guess that the list of serious candidates would be Kobayashi, Kovalainen, Alguersuari and Glock, from the list of recently fired driver, plus Bianchi (looking to move from the reserve driver ranks to the front line). All of those drivers would be quite reasonable alternatives, I would say - they are likely to be fairly consistent in terms of performance, would be unlikely to cause any political tension within the team and generally likely to earn their way in terms of picking up points finishes.

Now, to be fair to Force India, there have been a few rumours, albeit in the more scurrilous parts of the press, that they may have spoken to Kobayashi and Alguersuari in the past (even if it may have been merely to judge their intentions). As for Glock and Kovalainen, although it was strongly suspected that they were being sidelined by their respective teams, the confirmation of that was only fairly recently, and it is possible that the negotiations between Force India and Sutil have advanced to the point where it'd be awkward to break them off.

Still, it has to be said that, on the surface, Sutil doesn't seem to offer much that would distinguish himself from those other drivers - whilst those other drivers are unlikely to bring much sponsorship in, neither is Sutil likely to do so (even if he can renew his deal with Medion, that was reportedly only for a relatively modest sum), so that is unlikely to be the sole driving factor (if it was, then Bianchi, who has considerably greater backing from personal sources and from Ferrari, would surely have got the seat by now). He's not a terrible choice, but I wouldn't have instinctively picked him up when there are several other comparable drivers with more recent experience available.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 19:45
by Phoenix
What Sutil has going for him that Glock, Kovalainen, Alguersuari and Kobayashi don't is that he's spent his entire career with the team through Midland, Spyker and Force India. He knows the team inside out and the team know him.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 19:59
by WeirdKerr
i bet kimi will be happy....

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 20:57
by RonDenisDeletraz
Klon wrote:I for my part am more concerned with Force India rehiring Sutil when better options are available, both from a comedic and serious point of view.


I actually completely agree with you on this one. His year out can't have done him any favours either

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 21:20
by DemocalypseNow
"Better the devil you know than the devil you don't" has never been as applicable anywhere as Sutil/Force India. Kobayashi would be a far more sensible choice yet they settle for Sutil instead.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 21:43
by mario
Phoenix wrote:What Sutil has going for him that Glock, Kovalainen, Alguersuari and Kobayashi don't is that he's spent his entire career with the team through Midland, Spyker and Force India. He knows the team inside out and the team know him.

I do not deny that the fact that he has worked with that team for such a long time would, no doubt, be advantageous (not to mention his familiarity with the characteristics of the Mercedes engine and KERS unit). I suppose the question is whether that alone would be enough to compensate for the fact that his fitness and racecraft are likely to have declined slightly from where they stood in 2011 - at least figures like Kobayashi, Kovalainen and Glock are currently race fit, both physically and mentally.
OK, overall it would still probably not be a bad decision - Sutil is probably not the most spectacular driver, but he has at least proven that he is a competent driver and would probably be capable of competing with the other drivers in the midfield. It's just that, overall, I'm not sure that he would necessarily be the best driver for the team when they could get another driver with more recent experience into the team.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 15 Feb 2013, 00:57
by Aerospeed
Holy crap, never knew Bianchi would get screwed from a drive for the third straight year in a row. Might be time to look into another team, or perhaps another series, such as Endurance Racing. I'm starting to think Force India doesn't fully believe in Bianchi.

The good news: this should be a (small) victory to the experienced driver, and certainly to those who are constantly spelling out doom due to the rise in pay-drivers.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 15 Feb 2013, 06:28
by AdrianSutil
Well if Sutil does re-sign (nothing confirmed yet I think), I'll be obviously delighted. But I do agree with others saying there are not necessarily better drivers, but his overall fitness will need to be worked on. And missing the first test would not be a good start. But the one advantage he does have is being part of the team since 2006, and that must surely go a long way.

Re: 2013 Silly Season Thread

Posted: 15 Feb 2013, 09:33
by Yannick
I was rather surprised to see former BAR-tester James Rossiter driving the Force 1ndia at the first test, doing the development work for the still-to-be-announced race driver.

I'd be very surprised again if Force 1ndia do not choose a driver who brings money. Mallya really should consider Karthikeyan, especially if a team buyout by Tata Group might come as a result of that, which could save his finances.
Yet, it's anyone's guess as to whether Tata would do such a thing, and who knows which driver is the highest bidder?