Your Reject of the Year!

[FullMetalJack]

Heidfeld has spent all but 3 years of his F1 career at Sauber so I thought he'd be a choice. Prost in 2000, Jordan in 2004 and Williams in 2005.

[James1978]

I'm actually going to give a honorary mention to the new points system, I really don't think it's worked that well. 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 as from 2003-09 would have done this year just fine. It was supposed to reward the new teams but bulletproof reliability put paid to that so it had absolutely no effect on that hand, but on the other, in some races before Abu Dhabi it was really difficult to calculate who needed to do what to overtake others in the standings, whereas with the 10-point cap on a win it was quite easy!

[Phoenix]

in some races before Abu Dhabi it was really difficult to calculate who needed to do what to overtake others in the standings, whereas with the 10-point cap on a win it was quite easy!

That added more emotion, actually.

[Cynon]

Bulletproof reliability? Want to know what will fix that? One engine per car per season! Lose 10 positions on the grid for each replacement engine!

[Shizuka]

With the engines have to be used in even FP's?

[Dom]

With the engines have to be used in even FP's?

Definitely. I can see the tagline now: "Nineteen Races. Five World Champions. One Engine. No Excuses"

[mario]

With the engines have to be used in even FP's?

Definitely. I can see the tagline now: "Nineteen Races. Five World Champions. One Engine. No Excuses"

Aren't there twenty races lined up from 2011 with the inclusion of the Indian GP?

On a technical note, that would be impressive - at about 500km for a full race distance, plus allowing about 100km in practise mileage, that would be about 11,400km in total mileage, give or take. By way of comparison, at the Le Mans 24h this year, the winning car, Audi No. 9, driven by Rockenfeller, Bernhard and Dumas, racked up a mere record breaking distance of 5,410.7km over 397 laps.
Incidentally, the previous record had been set in 1971 with a distance of 5335.3km, again over 397 laps (on the slightly shorter layout without the chicanes on the Mulsanne straight) - set by Gijs Van Lennep and Dr Helmut Marko (yes, the same guy who now works for Red Bull), both of whom would be eligible as Rejects (Van Lennep has two 6th's to his name, and Marko no points in F1 to his name).

That said, although your comment is meant in jest, ironically it is somewhat closer to the truth then you realised. When the original proposals for turbo engines came up for discussion, it was suggested that, due to a significant reduction in peak revs, the engine mileage should be much higher. There was talk of whittling down the number of engines drastically as a result - there was talk of reducing the supply down to four engines, or perhaps even lower - so your proposal is somewhat in the spirit of the times.

[Cynon]

That said, although your comment is meant in jest, ironically it is somewhat closer to the truth then you realised. When the original proposals for turbo engines came up for discussion, it was suggested that, due to a significant reduction in peak revs, the engine mileage should be much higher. There was talk of whittling down the number of engines drastically as a result - there was talk of reducing the supply down to four engines, or perhaps even lower - so your proposal is somewhat in the spirit of the times.

I was serious. I'd love to see that, because eventually you'd have parts of the engine falling apart.

[Phoenix]

Four engines OR LOWER? You kidding, right?

[dr-baker]

Four engines OR FEWER? You kidding, right?

Gramatically fixed.

[Shizuka]

At least, there would be more technical retirements, and people who actually take the risk might get in front of the others who play defensive.

[Phoenix]

Four engines OR FEWER? You kidding, right?

Gramatically fixed.

Tanks.

[dr-baker]

Four engines OR FEWER? You kidding, right?

Gramatically fixed.

Tanks.

Ur w'come.

[thehemogoblin]

Gramatically fixed.

Tanks.

Ur w'come.

I go away for a week, more or less, and this is what this place devolves to? Agh!

[dhruvkaicker90]

My ROTY 2010

3) Felipe Massa- From the 2008 hero this year he turned out to be one of the biggest underachievers in a strong machinery. Besides a few good drives early in the season and Hockenhiem he was lacklustre.

2) Vitantonio Liuzzi- This was his last chance to prove himself in f1 but ended up being outscored and outqualified convincingly by Adrian Sutil and was probably responsible for Force India to lose 6th place in the WCC. It will be a shame if he is signed for 2011 instead of Di Resta

1)Hispania- Easily the worst new team coming into f1 this year. There was no development in the year and thus ended up staying behind Lotus and Virgin. Also their driver merry go round was truly reject worthy.

[mario]

Four engines OR FEWER? You kidding, right?

Gramatically fixed.

Tanks.

Leaving the grammar exercises to one side, the suggestion of cutting the engine supply was seriously considered at one point. After all, the revs are likely to decrease significantly - there was a suggestion of revs being reduced to 11,000-13,000rpm to keep the power output down. That, in turn, would significantly reduce the operating stresses on the engine components, and in theory it should therefore be significantly easier to extend the lifetime of the engines well beyond their current mileage limits (which, being in the region of 2,000 - 2,500km once practise mileage is taken into account, is already pretty substantial).

However, for the moment it seems that talks on the post V8 engine era has been relegated to the background. It seems that one major sticking point has been the development costs, and how that outlay would be recovered. The manufacturer backed engine suppliers were unwilling to absorb the cost, which they put at £100 million, especially when there is no guarantee of technological transfer or long term supply contracts to recoop the costs.
Cosworth, on the other hand, was a bit happer as they reckoned that they could develop an engine for £20 million - but would not develop an engine unless they could pass the cost of development onto their customers, which the current price freeze on an engine supply has precluded.

Back to the topic on hand, though - I can see that the votes for Liuzzi seem to be steadily rising, which suggests that he is probably a fairly good bet for ending up on the Rejects podium this year...

[Henrique]

I think HRT deserves the award more, but given eytl and Kuwashima's fondness for Italian drivers, Liuzzi will probably get it.

[FullMetalJack]

I think HRT deserves the award more, but given eytl and Kuwashima's fondness for Italian drivers, Liuzzi will probably get it.

I think HRT will escape 1st on the ROTY podium due to finishing ahead of Virgin.

[Phoenix]

I think HRT deserves the award more, but given eytl and Kuwashima's fondness for Italian drivers, Liuzzi will probably get it.

I think HRT will escape 1st on the ROTY podium due to finishing ahead of Virgin.

Guys, this award is partly based in the expectations had for said driver/team for that season. So, considering everyone knew HRT was going to be utter crap, Vitantonio Liuzzi will go down as the ROTR because his 2009 results were inconclusive.

[thehemogoblin]

I think HRT deserves the award more, but given eytl and Kuwashima's fondness for Italian drivers, Liuzzi will probably get it.

I think HRT will escape 1st on the ROTY podium due to finishing ahead of Virgin.

Guys, this award is partly based in the expectations had for said driver/team for that season. So, considering everyone knew HRT was going to be utter crap, Vitantonio Liuzzi will go down as the ROTR because his 2009 results were inconclusive.

But HRT was at about EuroBrun levels or so. And having a team be this shambolic and not giving them ROTY sets a dangerous precedent for the future.

[Phoenix]

But HRT was at about EuroBrun levels or so. And having a team be this shambolic and not giving them ROTY sets a dangerous precedent for the future.

Yeah, but Liuzzi was at about Christian Danner levels or so...

[thehemogoblin]

But HRT was at about EuroBrun levels or so. And having a team be this shambolic and not giving them ROTY sets a dangerous precedent for the future.

Yeah, but Liuzzi was at about Christian Danner levels or so...

Danner got his fourth place and got out of Rejectdom.

[FullMetalJack]

But HRT was at about EuroBrun levels or so. And having a team be this shambolic and not giving them ROTY sets a dangerous precedent for the future.

Yeah, but Liuzzi was at about Christian Danner levels or so...

Danner got his fourth place and got out of Rejectdom.

He got a 6th place for Arrows in 1986, and finished 7th in a Zakspeed, in the race that Martin Brundle got their only points.

[Phoenix]

Yeah, but Liuzzi was at about Christian Danner levels or so...

Danner got his fourth place and got out of Rejectdom.

He got a 6th place for Arrows in 1986, and finished 7th in a Zakspeed, in the race that Martin Brundle got their only points.

So, he's more or less at Vitantonio Liuzzi levels taking into account the differences between the late 80s and the late 00s.

[Peter]

1st. Group Lotus - From a stupid attempt to claiming the team Lotus name to enter F1 themselves, which was never ever theirs in any way, to now giving us 2 Lotuses on the grid for 2011.



Just for the lulz, I hope Fernandes ant Team Lotus beat Lotus-Renault next year. Unlikely, but I would cry from laughter

[dr-baker]

1st. Group Lotus - From a stupid attempt to claiming the team Lotus name to enter F1 themselves, which was never ever theirs in any way, to now giving us 2 Lotuses on the grid for 2011.



Just for the lulz, I hope Fernandes ant Team Lotus beat Lotus-Renault next year. Unlikely, but I would cry from laughter

Even if they are just remotely competitive with the team from Enstone, there will be lulz, I reckon.

[Shizuka]

1st. Group Lotus - From a stupid attempt to claiming the team Lotus name to enter F1 themselves, which was never ever theirs in any way, to now giving us 2 Lotuses on the grid for 2011.



Just for the lulz, I hope Fernandes ant Team Lotus beat Lotus-Renault next year. Unlikely, but I would cry from laughter

Even if they are just remotely competitive with the team from Enstone, there will be lulz, I reckon.

Imagine Murray commenting it! "And it's Kubica in the Lotus Renault behind... Kovalainen in the Lotus-Renault and they are fighting for position!"
Brundle: "Murray, that's Trulli and Petrov in the... Lotuses. *sigh*"