Grand Prix Rejects

the Masked Lapwing wrote:For the record I'm against adding a new engine after we've already got them sorted, like in the RoLFS.

The way I see it is, it's just another oppurtunity to pick an engine.

Indeed, after our first choice of engine was taken the last time, we're switching to Opel-Speiss now.

Foster's Good Call Racing have decided to take the Opel Speiss engines

V-Sport would like to switch to Opel then, if possible. If not, we'll keep Renault.

DMR will get their hands on the Renault engines they originally wanted at first.

Mecha will not change engines.

East Londoner wrote:DMR will get their hands on the Renault engines they originally wanted at first.

We will offer you ours, if the Opel deal goes ahead!

RBWRT will switch to Renault engines.

Also, I think that reliability needs to be made higher. Having a very small amount of finishers each race is not good for the series.

Nuppiz wrote:Okay, thanks. I'm quite convinced that I'll switch to Opel when the bidding starts.

Just to clarify, this is now confirmed. NRE will get German power from Rüsselsheim behind their backs ASAP.

eurobrun wrote:Also, I think that reliability needs to be made higher. Having a very small amount of finishers each race is not good for the series.

The F2RWRS uses basically the same reliability numbers as the F1RDS and we get an average of about 14 finishers a race (That's excluding the FedEx 100 however as that brings down the average to like 12 )

Nuppiz wrote:

Nuppiz wrote:Okay, thanks. I'm quite convinced that I'll switch to Opel when the bidding starts.

Just to clarify, this is now confirmed. NRE will get German power from Rüsselsheim behind their backs ASAP.

I'll sort all of this tomorrow...I was far too hungover to organise anything in depth today.

Wizzie wrote:

eurobrun wrote:Also, I think that reliability needs to be made higher. Having a very small amount of finishers each race is not good for the series.

The F2RWRS uses basically the same reliability numbers as the F1RDS and we get an average of about 14 finishers a race (That's excluding the FedEx 100 however as that brings down the average to like 12 )

That's OK then.

Donkervoort wants to switch to Toyota's

the Masked Lapwing wrote:For the record I'm against adding a new engine after we've already got them sorted, like in the RoLFS.

The main reason I want to reshuffle the engines is to factor in failure rates. All of the engines had the same failure rate last time, and this made VW an unattractive proposition as the car would have less of a chance on race day. Now with the failure rates, VW (and to a lesser extent, Opel) have much more of a chance on the Sunday to capitalise on their grid positions as the more powerful cars on raceday will be more likely to encounter trouble. This should keep a greater mix in the playing field. It's no secret that the cars with greater power would be much more likely to carve through the field and get good hauls of points. But it gives cars with lesser race power more of a chance, you know?

I also wanted a pair of middle ground engines with differing characteristics that would create a diverse midfield area. In retrospect, I should have done this far earlier, although regrettably the idea was only conceived a few days ago.

I hope that you understand why I want to implement this into the series now.

I'll officially make bidding open now; some people have put their choices in already so I will count these.

VW: 3 contracts available (Kingfisher)
Opel: 0 contracts available (NRE, Scuderia Alitalia, Good Call Racing, V-Sport)
Mecachrome: 0 contracts available (DMR, Mecha, RBWRT, Aeroracing)
TOM'S Toyota: 3 contracts available (Donkervoort)

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:

the Masked Lapwing wrote:For the record I'm against adding a new engine after we've already got them sorted, like in the RoLFS.

The main reason I want to reshuffle the engines is to factor in failure rates. All of the engines had the same failure rate last time, and this made VW an unattractive proposition as the car would have less of a chance on race day. Now with the failure rates, VW (and to a lesser extent, Opel) have much more of a chance on the Sunday to capitalise on their grid positions as the more powerful cars on raceday will be more likely to encounter trouble. This should keep a greater mix in the playing field. It's no secret that the cars with greater power would be much more likely to carve through the field and get good hauls of points. But it gives cars with lesser race power more of a chance, you know?

I also wanted a pair of middle ground engines with differing characteristics that would create a diverse midfield area. In retrospect, I should have done this far earlier, although regrettably the idea was only conceived a few days ago.

I hope that you understand why I want to implement this into the series now.

The problem I have is the fact that the Toyota is the least reliable. In qualifying, it's not likely to blow up, so you'd still have the VWs up front. But in the race, the Toyotas will find themselves at the front after a while, but would be way more likely to retire, the end result being that they lose their major advantage. So unless the difference between the reliability of the engines is non-existent, the Toyota becomes the worst choice.

For the record, in theory, the VW should be 81% reliable whilst the TOM's Toyota is 63% reliable according to my performance calculating program. Make of that what you will.

Kingfisher Racing are going to take a stab at VW. I think we are the only team to do so, so this will be interesting for everyone to see.

Well well well, since our contract with TOM'S Toyota seems to be null and void now, I'll change to Mecachrome engines.

the Masked Lapwing wrote:

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:

the Masked Lapwing wrote:For the record I'm against adding a new engine after we've already got them sorted, like in the RoLFS.

The main reason I want to reshuffle the engines is to factor in failure rates. All of the engines had the same failure rate last time, and this made VW an unattractive proposition as the car would have less of a chance on race day. Now with the failure rates, VW (and to a lesser extent, Opel) have much more of a chance on the Sunday to capitalise on their grid positions as the more powerful cars on raceday will be more likely to encounter trouble. This should keep a greater mix in the playing field. It's no secret that the cars with greater power would be much more likely to carve through the field and get good hauls of points. But it gives cars with lesser race power more of a chance, you know?

I also wanted a pair of middle ground engines with differing characteristics that would create a diverse midfield area. In retrospect, I should have done this far earlier, although regrettably the idea was only conceived a few days ago.

I hope that you understand why I want to implement this into the series now.

The problem I have is the fact that the Toyota is the least reliable. In qualifying, it's not likely to blow up, so you'd still have the VWs up front. But in the race, the Toyotas will find themselves at the front after a while, but would be way more likely to retire, the end result being that they lose their major advantage. So unless the difference between the reliability of the engines is non-existent, the Toyota becomes the worst choice.

With the percentages Wizzie mentioned, the Toyota would be 63% reliable. On the proposed 10-race calendar, the engines would be expected to last during 6 races. If the Toyotas steam to the front as predicted, then they'll still be in with a shout of claiming some good points. The failure race ensures that this doesn't happen every race and encourages spreading of drivers. Plus, working out the chance of every Toyota car retiring (if Toyota supply 4 teams) is very small indeed, about 3x10^4 (that's what I worked out anyway...).

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:

the Masked Lapwing wrote:

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:
The main reason I want to reshuffle the engines is to factor in failure rates. All of the engines had the same failure rate last time, and this made VW an unattractive proposition as the car would have less of a chance on race day. Now with the failure rates, VW (and to a lesser extent, Opel) have much more of a chance on the Sunday to capitalise on their grid positions as the more powerful cars on raceday will be more likely to encounter trouble. This should keep a greater mix in the playing field. It's no secret that the cars with greater power would be much more likely to carve through the field and get good hauls of points. But it gives cars with lesser race power more of a chance, you know?

I also wanted a pair of middle ground engines with differing characteristics that would create a diverse midfield area. In retrospect, I should have done this far earlier, although regrettably the idea was only conceived a few days ago.

I hope that you understand why I want to implement this into the series now.

The problem I have is the fact that the Toyota is the least reliable. In qualifying, it's not likely to blow up, so you'd still have the VWs up front. But in the race, the Toyotas will find themselves at the front after a while, but would be way more likely to retire, the end result being that they lose their major advantage. So unless the difference between the reliability of the engines is non-existent, the Toyota becomes the worst choice.

With the percentages Wizzie mentioned, the Toyota would be 63% reliable. On the proposed 10-race calendar, the engines would be expected to last during 6 races. If the Toyotas steam to the front as predicted, then they'll still be in with a shout of claiming some good points. The failure race ensures that this doesn't happen every race and encourages spreading of drivers. Plus, working out the chance of every Toyota car retiring (if Toyota supply 4 teams) is very small indeed, about 3x10^4 (that's what I worked out anyway...).

Not quite. The percentage simply means that for every race, the Toyota has a 63% chance of making the finish. Whilst in theory, you are correct, in practice, it's a whole different ball game.

The point is, it's not going to break down every race...

Regrettably, I cannot run the next test until next week as I go off on holiday tomorrow...so apologies for that.

The calendar will be done whenever it's sorted for the RWRS series.

Right, I'm ready to get this all rolling again. I'll give team owners yet to choose a supplier until 15:00 GMT to select engines, and if any are left I will randomly allocate them.

I will then run the second test session, and provide the results. Then I will post the calendar and then we will be away. Probably.

Rosenforth will continue to use Toyota engines. And if possible, can you make sure you run this in parallel to the other RWRS series? That way this doesn't get too far ahead and cause headaches if some drivers get promoted.

Still Renault for us.

I am fairly sure that I said that Red Bull will run Renault engines.

V-Sport changed previously the Renault to the Opel engine.

Good Call chose Opel.

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:VW: 3 contracts available (Kingfisher)
Opel: 0 contracts available (NRE, Scuderia Alitalia, Good Call Racing, V-Sport)
Mecachrome: 0 contracts available (DMR, Mecha, RBWRT, Aeroracing)
TOM'S Toyota: 3 contracts available (Donkervoort)

Kingfisher are using VW.

As stated previously, NRE will use Opel engines.

DMR will use Mecachrome engines.

Deadline has expired, I will automatically allocate engines in this case:

VW - Kingfisher, AutobahnGP
Opel - NRE, Scuderia Alitalia, Good Call Racing, V-Sport
Mecachrome - DMR, Mecha, RBWRT, Aeroracing
TOM'S Toyota - Donkervoort, Rosenforth, Roter Baron

I'll get the next test done now; it will be a qualifying simulation so qualification power will have the largest bearing on this result, however the power bands are closer so there should be a bit more of a mix.

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Definitely more of a mix now, so this should produce some rather interesting races.

I'll do the calendar soon, and do TMLW's suggestion of keeping races with the RWRS dates.

Reith = Deadbeat here! Totally!

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:Deadline has expired, I will automatically allocate engines in this case:

VW - Kingfisher, AutobahnGP
Opel - NRE, Scuderia Alitalia, Good Call Racing, V-Sport
Mecachrome - DMR, Mecha, RBWRT, Aeroracing
TOM'S Toyota - Donkervoort, Rosenforth, Roter Baron

I'll get the next test done now; it will be a qualifying simulation so qualification power will have the largest bearing on this result, however the power bands are closer so there should be a bit more of a mix.

That's a shame, I was looking forward to being the only VW runner

Provisional Calendar:

R1 – Australian GP – Adelaide - 14th March
R2 – Japanese GP – Suzuka - 21st March
R3 – Monaco GP – Monte-Carlo - 11th April (Feature Event)
R4 – Spanish GP – Barcelona - 2nd May
R5 – Canadian GP - Montreal - 23rd May (Feature Event)
R6 – German GP – Hockenheim - 20th June
R7 – Belgian GP – Spa-Francorchamps - 11th July (Feature Event)
R8 – British GP – Silverstone - 25th July
R9 – Italian GP – Monza - 29th August (Feature Event)
R10 - Brazilian GP – Interlagos - 12th September

Please comment on whether you agree or not with the calendar, I haven't used any tracks other than those already on GP2 as I'm not 100% sure how to install tracks.

The feature races are at regular intervals so that the season can keep on track with the RWRS season, and every race is run on the Saturday to ensure that the F1RDS doesn't get in the way of other series.

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:Provisional Calendar:

R1 – Australian GP – Adelaide - 14th March
R2 – Japanese GP – Suzuka - 21st March
R3 – Monaco GP – Monte-Carlo - 11th April (Feature Event)
R4 – Spanish GP – Barcelona - 2nd May
R5 – Canadian GP - Montreal - 23rd May (Feature Event)
R6 – German GP – Hockenheim - 20th June
R7 – Belgian GP – Spa-Francorchamps - 11th July (Feature Event)
R8 – British GP – Silverstone - 25th July
R9 – Italian GP – Monza - 29th August (Feature Event)
R10 - Brazilian GP – Interlagos - 12th September

Please comment on whether you agree or not with the calendar, I haven't used any tracks other than those already on GP2 as I'm not 100% sure how to install tracks.

The feature races are at regular intervals so that the season can keep on track with the RWRS season, and every race is run on the Saturday to ensure that the F1RDS doesn't get in the way of other series.

No to Silverstone and Hockenheim IMO. The default tracks featured in game are no longer present (or in case of Silverstone, usable).

FMecha wrote:
No to Silverstone and Hockenheim IMO. The default tracks featured in game are no longer present (or in case of Silverstone, usable).

Good point actually...Donington then? For the German GP, we could have Sachsenring perhaps...

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:

FMecha wrote:
No to Silverstone and Hockenheim IMO. The default tracks featured in game are no longer present (or in case of Silverstone, usable).

Good point actually...Donington then? For the German GP, we could have Sachsenring perhaps...

Is the EuroSppedway Oval available for GP2?

If not, then the Salzburgring.

Well, EuroSpeedway Oval is available - but anything in Germany associated with F1RWRS goes to the Norisring.

I'm sure Aerond could help you install tracks if you asked him. And I don't see why you can't move Adelaide back two weeks to be with the rest of the RWRS series