2014 Canadian Grand Prix Thread

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 08 Jun 2014, 20:02

If Ricciardo would have been allowed to keep his 18 points from Melbourne he would have been pretty close now to Hamilton in the standings.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 08 Jun 2014, 20:22

Serious, where is in the bathplugging hell the results of "Williams reorganization plan"!? Its the second/third time in this season that the team lose a podium because incompetence. In this race, the team did a bad strategy for BOTH of they cars and another bad Pitstop! Why the team didn't take the risk of one stop with Massa? Rosberg had brake problems; Perez had DRS problems (and later, brake problems). Neither they were capable of overtaking him because this. In the worst scenario, Massa could ended in the podium. Also, Bottas strategy was bad too.

The team had the second best car, alongside with Red Bull, in this weekend and only scored 6 points. Also, why Massa was so conservative with Vettel and so aggressive with Perez!?

Also, what anonymous race for Ferrari. Alonso only finished 6th because of the retirements. Luckily there's almost no other races like Montreal and the team will return for the "3rd best team" stop in the return for europe.

eichy · Post by **eichy** » 08 Jun 2014, 20:42

That race was BEAUTIFUL

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 08 Jun 2014, 20:44

Interesting angle of the Perez clash, doesn't look good for him but there were a whole range of contributing factors.

https://vine.co/v/MD0BgJYVeam

Absolutely gutted for Massa, not sure if I can cope the emotional rollercoaster of following him for much longer haha. But rapt for Ricciardo, what a legend!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 08 Jun 2014, 20:49

God Perez did move left suddenly there - maybe that's gonna change all the nominations for Massa on RotR!!

Dan B · Post by **Dan B** » 08 Jun 2014, 20:54

James1978 wrote:God Perez did move left suddenly there - maybe that's gonna change all the nominations for Massa on RotR!!

By the same token it looks a bit like Massa moved a bit to the right.

Plus, we've heard prior that Perez was having brake problems; if anything it looked like his car was unsettled and Massa tried to make a move at the wrong place on the track.

Still keeping my nomination for him as I do think that crash was avoidable on Massa's part.

Ed24 · Post by **Ed24** » 08 Jun 2014, 20:59

Massa moved to the right on the racing line, Perez was not following any logical line. If you have no brakes, you cannot defend! It's absurd to try and make such a late move in that case.

Post by **mario** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:02

James1978 wrote:God Perez did move left suddenly there - maybe that's gonna change all the nominations for Massa on RotR!!

I have to agree that, from that point of view, Perez's move to the left was sharper than it initially looked from the trackside cameras - given how late in the braking zone that would have been, I do agree that perhaps some of the blame for that clash should go to Perez for moving across like that in a braking zone.

On a related note, it appears that Massa has been sent to the medical centre for a few precautionary checks following his crash - he is, thankfully, tweeting pictures of himself from hospital which indicate that he is OK.

Dj_bereta wrote:Serious, where is in the bathplugging hell the results of "Williams reorganization plan"!? Its the second/third time in this season that the team lose a podium because incompetence. In this race, the team did a bad strategy for BOTH of they cars and another bad Pitstop! Why the team didn't take the risk of one stop with Massa? Rosberg had brake problems; Perez had DRS problems (and later, brake problems). Neither they were capable of overtaking him because this. In the worst scenario, Massa could ended in the podium. Also, Bottas strategy was bad too.

The team had the second best car, alongside with Red Bull, in this weekend and only scored 6 points. Also, why Massa was so conservative with Vettel and so aggressive with Perez!?

Also, what anonymous race for Ferrari. Alonso only finished 6th because of the retirements. Luckily there's almost no other races like Montreal and the team will return for the "3rd best team" stop in the return for europe.

I agree that you have to wonder if Williams perhaps should have gambled on a one stop race given that Massa's lap times were looking reasonably good - at the very least, had he stayed out for longer he might have had a chance of creating a bigger gap to Perez that might have allowed him to slot in ahead rather than behind him.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:04

Regardless of anything, the point remains that Massa is not alongside Perez at any point, has plenty of room to his inside, and should already know that Perez had an issue there a couple of laps before.

Dan B · Post by **Dan B** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:05

Ed24 wrote:Massa moved to the right on the racing line, Perez was not following any logical line. If you have no brakes, you cannot defend! It's absurd to try and make such a late move in that case.

I don't know. If he knew Perez's car was unsafe then he should've given a wide berth and attempt to pass later on (such as towards the hairpin). On top of that it seemed Massa was at a very hot speed coming into there.

I do feel a bit gutted for Massa but in the end I do feel at least now that the majority of the incident is his fault.

Salamander wrote:Regardless of anything, the point remains that Massa is not alongside Perez at any point, has plenty of room to his inside, and should already know that Perez had an issue there a couple of laps before.

This right here.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:08

Well, it is entirely Massa's fault, because he should have already been past Perez before that point!

Perez was struggling on old tyres, Massa was the fastest man on the track before he caught up to Vettel. Yet, he was stuck behind all of them for the last 7 laps until he crashed into Perez, despite having the Mercedes engine and much fresher tyres. Sadly, Massa simply doesn't have what it takes anymore, and as much as he is a likeable guy, he hasn't been the same since his accident and Germany 2010. It's time he moved on to pastures new, and allowed some of the talent in the junior championships to progress into the premier category. Awful performance.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:16

And the championship goes to Britney. What bathplug bullshit.

Felipe baby, what the bathplug were you thinking?

Well done Daniel.

And... WELL DONE MR. TALENT. GJ.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:19

F1000X wrote:And the championship goes to Britney. What bathplug bullshit.

I've felt this ever since Australia, and it might seem harsh or something, but... I want Rosberg to have a couple mechanical failures to balance things.

DonTirri · Post by **DonTirri** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:23

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
F1000X wrote:And the championship goes to Britney. What bathplug bullshit.

I've felt this ever since Australia, and it might seem harsh or something, but... I want Rosberg to have a couple mechanical failures to balance things.

I don't. To put it simply, if Hamilton never wins the title again, I'll be a happy man.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:25

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
F1000X wrote:And the championship goes to Britney. What bathplug bullshit.

I've felt this ever since Australia, and it might seem harsh or something, but... I want Rosberg to have a couple mechanical failures to balance things.

I second this :twisted:

. Hamilton has lost at least 30 something points because of his two retirements so far.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:25

DonTirri wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
F1000X wrote:And the championship goes to Britney. What bathplug bullshit.

I've felt this ever since Australia, and it might seem harsh or something, but... I want Rosberg to have a couple mechanical failures to balance things.

I don't. To put it simply, if Hamilton never wins the title again, I'll be a happy man.

I feel the same way. Hamilton is one of the biggest pieces of shite to ever step behind the wheel of a racecar... up there with Michael Waltrip.

Post by **Londoner** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:26

After these past few races, and having seen the reaction of his "fans" towards Rosberg, I cannot be dealing with Hamilton winning this title. Rosberg has to win it this year.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:29

Indeed. There is no place for bad losers in any sports, and Hamilton has to be the worst loser I've ever seen.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:31

Sign me in there who wants Rosberg to beat Hamilton. Agree with Londoner that his "fans" who I believe have never seen F1 before 2007 combined with Lewis's comments from Monaco really make it impossible to support him.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:31

I've never really been a big fan of Rosberg's but I certainly find his attitude more tolerable than that of Hamilton's. Sure, it's not entirely fair that Hamilton's had all the mechanical DNF's, but this is motor racing, and motor racing is never entirely fair.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:33

Oh, I totally agree, I liked Rosberg's personality more than Hamilton's going into this year and what's happened has just widened the gap. But I'd rather have Hamilton win the title in an even fight than Rosberg win because of having different mechanical luck within the same team.

Dan B · Post by **Dan B** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:35

Different topic here. Anyone expecting Raikkonen to leave Ferrari early this year? Because if his performances don't start improving -such as today which was lazy if anything- I wouldn't be surprised to see him out of the team or even F1 altogether.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:40

Dan B wrote:Different topic here. Anyone expecting Raikkonen to leave Ferrari early this year? Because if his performances don't start improving -such as today which was lazy if anything- I wouldn't be surprised to see him out of the team or even F1 altogether.

He's not going anywhere. The money has been spent, and they don't have anybody worth replacing him with.

snowdog140 · Post by **snowdog140** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:42

All these comments about how bad Hamilton is and that people hope he never wins another title? I love you guys, a lot.

Also, best race of the season so far, Massa might be slightly in the wrong for being audacious but I think on the last lap its all or nothing, probably should've waited until the final straight though rather than barrel into T1 against a car with bad brakes and someone like Perez at the wheel.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:42

F1000X wrote:
Dan B wrote:Different topic here. Anyone expecting Raikkonen to leave Ferrari early this year? Because if his performances don't start improving -such as today which was lazy if anything- I wouldn't be surprised to see him out of the team or even F1 altogether.

He's not going anywhere. The money has been spent, and they don't have anybody worth replacing him with.

Ferrari could always ring up Luca Badoer again.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:44

Cynon wrote:
F1000X wrote:
Dan B wrote:Different topic here. Anyone expecting Raikkonen to leave Ferrari early this year? Because if his performances don't start improving -such as today which was lazy if anything- I wouldn't be surprised to see him out of the team or even F1 altogether.

He's not going anywhere. The money has been spent, and they don't have anybody worth replacing him with.

Ferrari could always ring up Luca Badoer again.

I'll see your Luca Badoer and raise you one Rubens Barrichello.

Dan B · Post by **Dan B** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:45

F1000X wrote:
Dan B wrote:Different topic here. Anyone expecting Raikkonen to leave Ferrari early this year? Because if his performances don't start improving -such as today which was lazy if anything- I wouldn't be surprised to see him out of the team or even F1 altogether.

He's not going anywhere. The money has been spent, and they don't have anybody worth replacing him with.

Which is rather sad to think about. Bianchi is a possibility but he needs a year or two with an intermediary team; thing is that intermediary team - Sauber - is behind Marussia in the standings and quite frankly, their last 2 cars were crap. There's Kobayashi, but he left for Caterham just to get back into F1. Hulkenberg's another prospect, but right now the Force India is a better car than the Ferrari and if anything he might go to Mercedes in the near future. And then there's Grosjean, but I see him replacing Button at McLaren more than going to Ferrari.

Which leaves us with a driver who quite can't give a damn when he should.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:51

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 08 Jun 2014, 21:52

Dan B wrote:Different topic here. Anyone expecting Raikkonen to leave Ferrari early this year? Because if his performances don't start improving -such as today which was lazy if anything- I wouldn't be surprised to see him out of the team or even F1 altogether.

They gave Massa years of extra chances, I'd expect the same for Raikkonen when he's sometimes on the back of Alonso as opposed to never.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 08 Jun 2014, 22:02

DonTirri wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
F1000X wrote:And the championship goes to Britney. What bathplug bullshit.

I've felt this ever since Australia, and it might seem harsh or something, but... I want Rosberg to have a couple mechanical failures to balance things.

I don't. To put it simply, if Hamilton never wins the title again, I'll be a happy man.

Ha ha, same here.

Salamander wrote:I've never really been a big fan of Rosberg's but I certainly find his attitude more tolerable than that of Hamilton's. Sure, it's not entirely fair that Hamilton's had all the mechanical DNF's, but this is motor racing, and motor racing is never entirely fair.

Motor Racing is a bit like life because that is never fair.

Post by **Londoner** » 08 Jun 2014, 22:13

And the stewards have given a 5 place penalty to...Perez.

Seriously, that's one of the worst stewarding calls in years.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 08 Jun 2014, 22:18

East Londoner wrote:And the stewards have given a 5 place penalty to...Perez.

Seriously, that's one of the worst stewarding calls in years.

Seriously WTB!?!!!

Farewell F1....

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 08 Jun 2014, 22:25

East Londoner wrote:And the stewards have given a 5 place penalty to...Perez.

Seriously, that's one of the worst stewarding calls in years.

Agreed, but making any call - even none at all - was always gonna piss people off.

AustralianStig · Post by **AustralianStig** » 08 Jun 2014, 22:31

I'd love to see the crash from Vettel's viewpoint - he must have nearly wet himself!

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 08 Jun 2014, 22:52

East Londoner wrote:And the stewards have given a 5 place penalty to...Perez.

Seriously, that's one of the worst stewarding calls in years.

That's like if, in 2011, they gave Massa penalties for every time Hamilton crashed into him.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 08 Jun 2014, 23:14

F1000X wrote:
Dan B wrote:Different topic here. Anyone expecting Raikkonen to leave Ferrari early this year? Because if his performances don't start improving -such as today which was lazy if anything- I wouldn't be surprised to see him out of the team or even F1 altogether.

He's not going anywhere. The money has been spent, and they don't have anybody worth replacing him with.

If he did give the money back and call it a day, I suspect they'd put Bianchi in the car for the rest of the season, as a stop-gap. That or buy Hulkenberg out of Force India, I suppose.

But I agree that it's unlikely to happen.

Jan Magnussen · Post by **Rob Dylan** » 08 Jun 2014, 23:18

That's like if, in 2011, they gave Massa penalties for every time Hamilton crashed into him.

I called Hamilton at fault for their collision in India 2011. I always thought that the stewards penalised Massa so as to show that they were impartial, and not just penalising Hamilton (which they should have - and far more severely than they did at incidents like Monaco and Hungary)

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 09 Jun 2014, 00:19

Re-watching this race with the British commentary, and it's easy to believe why people think F1 is more boring with the British feed.

Holy crap the UK commentary team sounds bored, except for Crofty.

Edit: They also like making up pronunciations for names -- like Q-Beck.

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 09 Jun 2014, 03:53

East Londoner wrote:And the stewards have given a 5 place penalty to...Perez.

Seriously, that's one of the worst stewarding calls in years.

Stewards has regain it's justice

Good choice this time

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 09 Jun 2014, 04:04

AxelP800 wrote:
East Londoner wrote:And the stewards have given a 5 place penalty to...Perez.

Seriously, that's one of the worst stewarding calls in years.

Stewards has regain it's justice Good choice this time

Force India suspect it's an act of revenge by FIA observer Adrian Fernandez, who was a former manager of Sergio Perez, but I believe they had an acrimonious end to their relationship.

Auto Motor Und Sport have more to say on the matter.