Grand Prix Rejects

pasta_maldonado wrote:While we all love to cheer on a good reject, it really is time he moved on, as he really isn't suited to F1 at all.

CoopsII wrote:

pasta_maldonado wrote:While we all love to cheer on a good reject, it really is time he moved on, as he really isn't suited to F1 at all.

I actually agree with Pasta.

Surely they will go with Clos.

Possibly Ma on the Fridays.

BTW, Karthikeyan has been a little unlucky.

Last 2 races, Clos has driven in FP1, when the Indian has his shot it (Na)rains!

Also, about Mark Tatham. Its good for HRT F1 to hire people outside Spain/Portugal. Apparently Ascanelli will soon be out of a job, if they can land him it would be a great asset, unlikely but never know.

I'd give Clos a go. He was ok in GP2, why not?

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:I'd give Clos a go. He was ok in GP2, why not?

Exactly. If HRT want to move forward, Karthikeyan isn't really the right image for them.

pasta_maldonado wrote:

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:I'd give Clos a go. He was ok in GP2, why not?

Exactly. If HRT want to move forward, Karthikeyan isn't really the right image for them.

You think?

A Clos-PDLR partnership would work IMO. One's a young hard-charger and the other is a cool level-headed veteran. Partnerships like that, in any sport, just work.

AdrianSutil wrote:A Clos-PDLR partnership would work IMO. One's a young hard-charger and the other is a cool level-headed veteran. Partnerships like that, in any sport, just work.

I would also like to see Clos at HRT. He has already improved based on his performances in practice sessions.

Clos could have some competition for next year's seat, though, as Alguersuari has said that he is 100% sure of an F1 drive next year. It being with HRT would make sense as they are trying to become more Spanish.

solarcold wrote:De la Rosa + Liuzzi ?! That's .. mm.. AWESOME!

let's hope it happens

Clos could have some competition for next year's seat, though, as Alguersuari has said that he is 100% sure of an F1 drive next year. It being with HRT would make sense as they are trying to become more Spanish.

Didn't Alguersuari said it was with a top team? Unless he knows something we do not, I doubt he was talking about HRT.

Klon wrote:

Clos could have some competition for next year's seat, though, as Alguersuari has said that he is 100% sure of an F1 drive next year. It being with HRT would make sense as they are trying to become more Spanish.

Didn't Alguersuari said it was with a top team? Unless he knows something we do not, I doubt he was talking about HRT.

It may be the only realistic option for him though?

cbbcisace wrote:

Klon wrote:

Clos could have some competition for next year's seat, though, as Alguersuari has said that he is 100% sure of an F1 drive next year. It being with HRT would make sense as they are trying to become more Spanish.

Didn't Alguersuari said it was with a top team? Unless he knows something we do not, I doubt he was talking about HRT.

It may be the only realistic option for him though?

He said top team...

I think it's likely Mercedes. And that way, Schumacher can (finally) (re-)retire and Alguersuari fits in the seat nicely.

cbbcisace wrote:

Klon wrote:

Clos could have some competition for next year's seat, though, as Alguersuari has said that he is 100% sure of an F1 drive next year. It being with HRT would make sense as they are trying to become more Spanish.

Didn't Alguersuari said it was with a top team? Unless he knows something we do not, I doubt he was talking about HRT.

It may be the only realistic option for him though?

Williams. That is all.

Couple of things:-

The F113 has been in design since June via Mark Tatham and the design team in Germany.
I have also heard that there will be some "good" news on sponsors for HRT real soon

cbbcisace wrote:Couple of things:-

The F113 has been in design since June via Mark Tatham and the design team in Germany.
I have also heard that there will be some "good" news on sponsors for HRT real soon

Are they investing more into the F113, rather then working on developments on the F112?

RealRacingRoots wrote:

cbbcisace wrote:Couple of things:-

The F113 has been in design since June via Mark Tatham and the design team in Germany.
I have also heard that there will be some "good" news on sponsors for HRT real soon

Are they investing more into the F113, rather then working on developments on the F112?

Not really, improvements will be and are being designed to go on after the summer break until India time I believe.

But accordingly HRT have a team led by Mark Tatham who has been in post since June working on the F113.

(EDIT) HRT will have a bigger budget for next year so it should be easier for them.

News about the new sponsor, that will be TUENTI, a firm similar in the idea to facebook (not an expert)

The deal will be reporting a sum similar to KH-7, that´s about 2-2,5 MM per year.

http://www.tuenti.com/?m=login

Speedy Gonsales wrote:News about the new sponsor, that will be TUENTI, a firm similar in the idea to facebook (not an expert)

The deal will be reporting a sum similar to KH-7, that´s about 2-2,5 MM per year.

http://www.tuenti.com/?m=login

Cbbcisace, any confirmation your end? No offence to the post above mine but spam has been creeping in again recently and I don't want to click on the link for obvious reasons...

AdrianSutil wrote:

Speedy Gonsales wrote:News about the new sponsor, that will be TUENTI, a firm similar in the idea to facebook (not an expert)

The deal will be reporting a sum similar to KH-7, that´s about 2-2,5 MM per year.

http://www.tuenti.com/?m=login

Cbbcisace, any confirmation your end? No offence to the post above mine but spam has been creeping in again recently and I don't want to click on the link for obvious reasons...

Definitely a legit Spanish company [been visited by the Spanish Telecommunications Secretary]. Nothing about HRT, mind.

Indeed, there´s no official confirmation about TUENTI yet.

The major stockholder is TELEFONICA Group ( by 2010 with about 85% of the stocks), so if the deal is finally done, would be meaning a great support, not only in cash but in image as well for HRT

Its seems Tuenti will be the next sponsor, possibly announced during the summer break, worth €3m or so.

It also seems Dani C will take over from Narain in Abu Dhabi and Ma to drive his car in all the FP1's after that.

Don't forget in India - Narain will add 3-4 sponsors or so for that weekend and accordingly Dani has 3-4 sponsors for the races he is looking likely to do.

{EDIT} Also some little things I'm hearing for the upgrade package is a completely new FW/RW combo, new exhausts, diffuser modifications, new mirrors and those eyebrows flaps on the top of the side pods.

Most Spanish teenagers use Tuenti instead of Facebook, so you get the importance of the deal as Tuenti may want to enter markets abroad.

cbbcisace wrote:Its seems Tuenti will be the next sponsor, possibly announced during the summer break, worth €3m or so.

It also seems Dani C will take over from Narain in Abu Dhabi and Ma to drive his car in all the FP1's after that.

Don't forget in India - Narain will add 3-4 sponsors or so for that weekend and accordingly Dani has 3-4 sponsors for the races he is looking likely to do.

{EDIT} Also some little things I'm hearing for the upgrade package is a completely new FW/RW combo, new exhausts, diffuser modifications, new mirrors and those eyebrows flaps on the top of the side pods.

It all sounds positive.

Also, Ma would bring his sponsors for the FP1 I would think.

Yeah those sponsors for Ma would be on the car once it's confirmed he is a fully confirmed weekend driver if that makes sense.

Tell you what, if Ma is FP1 driver for India, then thanks to his and narain's other sponsors for the weekend, that HRT will be stuffed with sponsor decal's! Anyway, HRT have a weird thing going with their lunchtime nibbles:

Taken from their Twitter page:
@HRTF1Team: This week pickled mackerel, confit potato, sweet gherkin broth with beetroot veil http://t.co/cNgd0pzl

AdrianSutil wrote:Taken from their Twitter page:
@HRTF1Team: This week pickled mackerel, confit potato, sweet gherkin broth with beetroot veil http://t.co/cNgd0pzl

Maybe it's a potent new fuel for the car?

AdrianSutil wrote:Tell you what, if Ma is FP1 driver for India, then thanks to his and narain's other sponsors for the weekend, that HRT will be stuffed with sponsor decal's! Anyway, HRT have a weird thing going with their lunchtime nibbles:

Taken from their Twitter page:
@HRTF1Team: This week pickled mackerel, confit potato, sweet gherkin broth with beetroot veil http://t.co/cNgd0pzl

He's more likely to be FP1 driver for Abu Dhabi

cbbcisace wrote:

AdrianSutil wrote:Tell you what, if Ma is FP1 driver for India, then thanks to his and narain's other sponsors for the weekend, that HRT will be stuffed with sponsor decal's! Anyway, HRT have a weird thing going with their lunchtime nibbles:

Taken from their Twitter page:
@HRTF1Team: This week pickled mackerel, confit potato, sweet gherkin broth with beetroot veil http://t.co/cNgd0pzl

He's more likely to be FP1 driver for Abu Dhabi

Ah yes, because he won't get in the car until Clos takes over from Karthikeyen. Understood now

Minardi Man wrote:

AdrianSutil wrote:Taken from their Twitter page:
@HRTF1Team: This week pickled mackerel, confit potato, sweet gherkin broth with beetroot veil http://t.co/cNgd0pzl

Maybe it's a potent new fuel for the car?

If so the FIA would probably find a way to ban it.

Is there any onboard footage of Narain's suspension failing?

Also, with the summer break shutdown affecting everyone but the Marketing Departments, would the next few weeks be a viable time for the HRT Merch to on sale online?

I know the merchandising has gone on sales in Spain via Varlion stores, expect is soon on the HRT website.

A thing came to my mind: if by any chance right now there suddenly appeared a new team, How-Did-We-Get-Here? F1 Team which would be as competent as HRT F110 was back in those first days... Just how fast would current HRT/Marussia look compared to such a team and how obvious the progress they've made would be?

solarcold wrote:A thing came to my mind: if by any chance right now there suddenly appeared a new team, How-Did-We-Get-Here? F1 Team which would be as competent as HRT F110 was back in those first days... Just how fast would current HRT/Marussia look compared to such a team and how obvious the progress they've made would be?

To be honest it really depends on their budget.

eurobrun wrote:

solarcold wrote:A thing came to my mind: if by any chance right now there suddenly appeared a new team, How-Did-We-Get-Here? F1 Team which would be as competent as HRT F110 was back in those first days... Just how fast would current HRT/Marussia look compared to such a team and how obvious the progress they've made would be?

To be honest it really depends on their budget.

Same as HRT has had, for the great justice.

solarcold wrote:

eurobrun wrote:

solarcold wrote:A thing came to my mind: if by any chance right now there suddenly appeared a new team, How-Did-We-Get-Here? F1 Team which would be as competent as HRT F110 was back in those first days... Just how fast would current HRT/Marussia look compared to such a team and how obvious the progress they've made would be?

To be honest it really depends on their budget.

Same as HRT has had, for the great justice.

They would get beaten by HRT. Particularly now that most of the staff and one of their drivers are actually quite good now.

Pedro de la Rosa says HRT is accomplishing its goals with 'flying colours'

I beg to differ. In their third season there's a posibility HRT will finish last in the championship - and remember they often secured their 11th position in the first half of the season. Now they have to pray for an eventful or wet race, since on these two occasions they managed to achieve their best results. I put my money on Korea.

HRT did improve a lot, but on the scale of season - they still are behind Marussia when it comes to qualifying and race pace. They had a peak in their performance in Canada, but it was marred by braking problems. Since then, HRT progress came to a halt, and depending on the track they are either closer or further, but still behind Marussia.

I hope the upgrades they prepare for Belgium will be as significant to HRT's pace as the ones in Montreal. I also hope they will become less dependant on Karthikeyan's money so they can swap him for a young and promising driver Dani Clos certainly is, therefore creating a Spanish dream-team

My understandingl according to this http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews ... 13672.html

Is that new aero package will be for Singapore.

This interview has more than the autosport one, with discussions about all Ma, Narain and Clos and a few other things.

David AGS wrote:My understandingl according to this http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews ... 13672.html

Is that new aero package will be for Singapore.

But before that, they will introduce some other upgrades after the long break.

I didn't know that it was taken from Pedro's Q&A - thanks for the link

Pointrox wrote:Pedro de la Rosa says HRT is accomplishing its goals with 'flying colours'

I beg to differ. In their third season there's a posibility HRT will finish last in the championship - and remember they often secured their 11th position in the first half of the season. Now they have to pray for an eventful or wet race, since on these two occasions they managed to achieve their best results. I put my money on Korea.

HRT did improve a lot, but on the scale of season - they still are behind Marussia when it comes to qualifying and race pace. They had a peak in their performance in Canada, but it was marred by braking problems. Since then, HRT progress came to a halt, and depending on the track they are either closer or further, but still behind Marussia.

I hope the upgrades they prepare for Belgium will be as significant to HRT's pace as the ones in Montreal. I also hope they will become less dependant on Karthikeyan's money so they can swap him for a young and promising driver Dani Clos certainly is, therefore creating a Spanish dream-team

Hello Everyone

I just thought I would put an answer to this question, even though its not a question and doesn't need an answer

HRT as of December 15th 2011 had not one single bit of equipment to its name!! Dr Colin Kolles owned the lot even the F111's that are at Caja Magica, Kolles had a hold on on them too.The new HRT had to buy everything from new equipment, tyre blankets, extra heaters, trucks, covers etc etc the list goes on. And because Kolles kicked them out of his barn shed, they had to work from Holzer Gruupe in Ausburg in Germany, not ideal when trying to get a car designed ready in 2.5 months.

The F112 was also born on a dark path AGAIN, it didn't start design 100% until Kolles left because he really again just wanted to use the F111's chassis, but then got told he couldn't by the FIA and thats why he agreed to use the Williams KERS because it didn't take as much effort as designing a new car.

As regards to the season so far, we had the non qualify in Aussie to the pretty quick pace at Canada albeit it 25 laps or so to the strong qualifying pace in Valencia. The F112 at this moment in time is using a F111++ FW in effect as it still is VERY basic compared to even the MR-01 FW, this is the area along with a better DRS and new exhaust layouts the the team I hear are bringing to Singapore. There will be mini updates at Spa and Monza(expect the team to use the Canada wing here).

So i expect the team to be last but having a budget this year that is close €15m less than Marussia and to be .5s behind in quail and probably .8/.9s behind in the race is acceptable since the F112 is optimised with the non KERS and less developed Aero.

The team expect to find up to a 1s on the Aero pack for Singapore so it will be much more intresting after then to see what happens.

cbbcisace wrote:

Pointrox wrote:Pedro de la Rosa says HRT is accomplishing its goals with 'flying colours'

I beg to differ. In their third season there's a posibility HRT will finish last in the championship - and remember they often secured their 11th position in the first half of the season. Now they have to pray for an eventful or wet race, since on these two occasions they managed to achieve their best results. I put my money on Korea.

HRT did improve a lot, but on the scale of season - they still are behind Marussia when it comes to qualifying and race pace. They had a peak in their performance in Canada, but it was marred by braking problems. Since then, HRT progress came to a halt, and depending on the track they are either closer or further, but still behind Marussia.

I hope the upgrades they prepare for Belgium will be as significant to HRT's pace as the ones in Montreal. I also hope they will become less dependant on Karthikeyan's money so they can swap him for a young and promising driver Dani Clos certainly is, therefore creating a Spanish dream-team

Hello Everyone

I just thought I would put an answer to this question, even though its not a question and doesn't need an answer

HRT as of December 15th 2011 had not one single bit of equipment to its name!! Dr Colin Kolles owned the lot even the F111's that are at Caja Magica, Kolles had a hold on on them too.The new HRT had to buy everything from new equipment, tyre blankets, extra heaters, trucks, covers etc etc the list goes on. And because Kolles kicked them out of his barn shed, they had to work from Holzer Gruupe in Ausburg in Germany, not ideal when trying to get a car designed ready in 2.5 months.

The F112 was also born on a dark path AGAIN, it didn't start design 100% until Kolles left because he really again just wanted to use the F111's chassis, but then got told he couldn't by the FIA and thats why he agreed to use the Williams KERS because it didn't take as much effort as designing a new car.

As regards to the season so far, we had the non qualify in Aussie to the pretty quick pace at Canada albeit it 25 laps or so to the strong qualifying pace in Valencia. The F112 at this moment in time is using a F111++ FW in effect as it still is VERY basic compared to even the MR-01 FW, this is the area along with a better DRS and new exhaust layouts the the team I hear are bringing to Singapore. There will be mini updates at Spa and Monza(expect the team to use the Canada wing here).

So i expect the team to be last but having a budget this year that is close €15m less than Marussia and to be .5s behind in quail and probably .8/.9s behind in the race is acceptable since the F112 is optimised with the non KERS and less developed Aero.

The team expect to find up to a 1s on the Aero pack for Singapore so it will be much more intresting after then to see what happens.

Very, very interesting info.
Now that I think of it, when _this_ good new HRT team makes it's own _new_ car next year - all in all it seems to should be a HUGE progess.

cbbcisace wrote:Hello Everyone

I just thought I would put an answer to this question, even though its not a question and doesn't need an answer

HRT as of December 15th 2011 had not one single bit of equipment to its name!! Dr Colin Kolles owned the lot even the F111's that are at Caja Magica, Kolles had a hold on on them too.The new HRT had to buy everything from new equipment, tyre blankets, extra heaters, trucks, covers etc etc the list goes on. And because Kolles kicked them out of his barn shed, they had to work from Holzer Gruupe in Ausburg in Germany, not ideal when trying to get a car designed ready in 2.5 months.

The F112 was also born on a dark path AGAIN, it didn't start design 100% until Kolles left because he really again just wanted to use the F111's chassis, but then got told he couldn't by the FIA and thats why he agreed to use the Williams KERS because it didn't take as much effort as designing a new car.

So HRT's improvement is as a direct result of Colin Kolles going home.