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Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 19 May 2013, 22:36
by johnnyCarwash
roblomas52 wrote:Donnington's failed revision to get the 2010 British gp was better than silverstone's
I would have loved to have seen that happen as they were changing the weakest part of the circuit. Now my local circuit is still trying to rebuild its image 3 years on.
Another suggestion in regards to qualifying, having followed the Indy 500 qualifying, is why not make a one off qualifying system for Monaco to add to the prestige? Like single lap qualifying on the supersofts just for this race using the reverse championship positions. Then we could get some interesting pole battles like 2005 with Alonso v Kimi.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 19 May 2013, 23:19
by AndreaModa
johnnyCarwash wrote:roblomas52 wrote:Donnington's failed revision to get the 2010 British gp was better than silverstone's
I would have loved to have seen that happen as they were changing the weakest part of the circuit. Now my local circuit is still trying to rebuild its image 3 years on.
It would have been a brilliant layout - loads of elevation change, lots of different types of corners, all whilst keeping the most important parts of the original circuit intact. The fact that the local infrastructure would have been a complete joke however is another matter entirely. I'm pretty sure I've had a rant or two about it all back when it was all coming out around 2010. Have a search of the forum and I'm sure you'll find it!
The sad fact is the entire process was a pack of lies, and based on money that didn't exist. I felt so sorry for old Tom Wheatcroft after Donington was left in the mess it was in the aftermath.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 24 May 2013, 18:34
by Dj_bereta
F-1 needs more drivers like Johnny Cecotto jr.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 24 May 2013, 19:22
by andrew2209
Dj_bereta wrote:F-1 needs more drivers like Johnny Cecotto jr.
In all seriousness, how would that benefit F1, when drivers only do well if they can survive carnage, rather than through good driving.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 24 May 2013, 19:48
by Cynon
andrew2209 wrote:Dj_bereta wrote:F-1 needs more drivers like Johnny Cecotto jr.
In all seriousness, how would that benefit F1, when drivers only do well if they can survive carnage, rather than through good driving.
I thought RMN GRSJN and Maldolan counted. But I agree with DJ Bereta, guys like Cecotto would make turn 1 a lot more entertaining.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 25 May 2013, 22:37
by AdrianSutil
Dj_bereta wrote:F-1 needs more drivers like Johnny Cecotto jr.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 26 May 2013, 06:01
by Onxy Wrecked
Dj_bereta wrote:F-1 needs more drivers like Johnny Cecotto jr.
The last thing one would want to do is outqualify Johnny Cecotto Jr.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 26 May 2013, 07:04
by Julien
F1 needs many reject teams and 28-30 cars per race weekend.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 26 May 2013, 07:23
by pi314159
Julien wrote:F1 needs many reject teams and 28-30 cars per race weekend.
How can that be unpopular?
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 26 May 2013, 15:58
by dr-baker
pi314159 wrote:Julien wrote:F1 needs many reject teams and 28-30 cars per race weekend.
How can that be unpopular?
It would be if you were Bernie...
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 26 May 2013, 17:51
by Aerospeed
dr-baker wrote:pi314159 wrote:Julien wrote:F1 needs many reject teams and 28-30 cars per race weekend.
How can that be unpopular?
It would be if you were Bernie...
Or Max Mosley.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 27 May 2013, 14:48
by Cynon
JeremyMcClean wrote:dr-baker wrote:pi314159 wrote:Julien: F1 needs many reject teams and 28-30 cars per race weekend.
How can that be unpopular?
It would be if you were Bernie...
Or Max Mosley.
Or Red Bull.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 27 May 2013, 17:01
by DanielPT
Cynon wrote:JeremyMcClean wrote:dr-baker wrote:Julien: F1 needs many reject teams and 28-30 cars per race weekend.
It would be if you were Bernie...
Or Max Mosley.
Or Red Bull.
Or Di Montezemolo for whom all cars should be Ferraris.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 27 May 2013, 20:15
by Gerudo Dragon
F1 should get rid of having drivers altogether, the teams build the cars and they are driven by identical robots meaning that the best constructor comes through.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 28 May 2013, 06:27
by CoopsII
darkapprentice77 wrote:F1 should get rid of having drivers altogether, the teams build the cars and they are driven by identical robots meaning that the best constructor comes through.
But everyone KNOWS that the Germans build the best robots!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-4Qoxl72d0The 5CHUM4CH5R would dominate!
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 28 May 2013, 10:14
by TomWazzleshaw
After reading the centrale article on Prost's 2000 season, I am absolutely convinced that they should have gotten the first Reject of the Race award at France, not Alex Wurz. I mean, the calamities the team suffered that weekend is just downright hilarious. In a sort of sadistic kind of way
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 28 May 2013, 10:29
by Alextrax52
Wizzie wrote:After reading the centrale article on Prost's 2000 season, I am absolutely convinced that they should have gotten the first Reject of the Race award at France, not Alex Wurz. I mean, the calamities the team suffered that weekend is just downright hilarious. In a sort of sadistic kind of way
Such as the actual team-mate collision that happened when both nearly got taken out in it all. However Wurz's overtake attempt is one of the worst overtaking moves i've ever seen. It made Mark Webber's moves at Abu Dhabi last year look professional. You know you're in trouble when Martin Brundle brands you "pathetic" live on TV
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 28 May 2013, 11:12
by takagi_for_the_win
Wizzie wrote:After reading the centrale article on Prost's 2000 season, I am absolutely convinced that they should have gotten the first Reject of the Race award at France, not Alex Wurz. I mean, the calamities the team suffered that weekend is just downright hilarious. In a sort of sadistic kind of way
Isn't that the race where the Peugeot mechanics went on strike and refused to fire up the engines?
Kimi-ICE wrote:Such as the actual team-mate collision that happened when both nearly got taken out in it all. However Wurz's overtake attempt is one of the worst overtaking moves i've ever seen. It made Mark Webber's moves at Abu Dhabi last year look professional. You know you're in trouble when Martin Brundle brands you "pathetic" live on TV
I'm pretty sure that was Austria where Alesi and Heidfeld collided...
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 28 May 2013, 11:25
by Alextrax52
takagi_for_the_win wrote:Wizzie wrote:After reading the centrale article on Prost's 2000 season, I am absolutely convinced that they should have gotten the first Reject of the Race award at France, not Alex Wurz. I mean, the calamities the team suffered that weekend is just downright hilarious. In a sort of sadistic kind of way
Isn't that the race where the Peugeot mechanics went on strike and refused to fire up the engines?
Kimi-ICE wrote:Such as the actual team-mate collision that happened when both nearly got taken out in it all. However Wurz's overtake attempt is one of the worst overtaking moves i've ever seen. It made Mark Webber's moves at Abu Dhabi last year look professional. You know you're in trouble when Martin Brundle brands you "pathetic" live on TV
I'm pretty sure that was Austria where Alesi and Heidfeld collided...
No they clashed in France as well. Austria was where Alesi lunged at Heidfeld smashing into him and taking both out. It also caused Murray Walker to get the Prost's confused with the Ligiers
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 28 May 2013, 11:27
by TomWazzleshaw
takagi_for_the_win wrote:Wizzie wrote:After reading the centrale article on Prost's 2000 season, I am absolutely convinced that they should have gotten the first Reject of the Race award at France, not Alex Wurz. I mean, the calamities the team suffered that weekend is just downright hilarious. In a sort of sadistic kind of way
Isn't that the race where the Peugeot mechanics went on strike and refused to fire up the engines?
Kimi-ICE wrote:Such as the actual team-mate collision that happened when both nearly got taken out in it all. However Wurz's overtake attempt is one of the worst overtaking moves i've ever seen. It made Mark Webber's moves at Abu Dhabi last year look professional. You know you're in trouble when Martin Brundle brands you "pathetic" live on TV
I'm pretty sure that was Austria where Alesi and Heidfeld collided...
That indeed was the race. But not before Alesi, Peugeot and Prost got into a war of words in the press. And Heidfeld actually clouted Alesi during France while trying to overtake Fisichella, nearly taking both out of the race. And then to cap it all off, Heidfeld came into the pits to repair the damage and promptly stalled the car
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 30 May 2013, 20:46
by Gerudo Dragon
F1 should have green–white–checker finishes.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 30 May 2013, 20:54
by Salamander
darkapprentice77 wrote:F1 should have green–white–checker finishes.
No. Not only is it a NASCAR gimmick, but F1 doesn't even have many races finish under the safety car. Hell, I can't even think of one.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 30 May 2013, 21:40
by roblo97
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:darkapprentice77 wrote:F1 should have green–white–checker finishes.
No. Not only is it a NASCAR gimmick, but F1 doesn't even have many races finish under the safety car. Hell, I can't even think of one.
Australia 2009
Vettel and kubica collide and the safety car is scrambled as a result
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 30 May 2013, 21:42
by Alextrax52
roblomas52 wrote:BlindCaveSalamander wrote:darkapprentice77 wrote:F1 should have green–white–checker finishes.
No. Not only is it a NASCAR gimmick, but F1 doesn't even have many races finish under the safety car. Hell, I can't even think of one.
Australia 2009
Vettel and kubica collide and the safety car is scrambled as a result
Canada 1999: First time ever this happened when Frentzen crashed 4 laps from home
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 30 May 2013, 21:52
by Sunshine_Baby_[IT]
Julien wrote:F1 needs many reject teams and 28-30 cars per race weekend.
I agree! *____*
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:darkapprentice77 wrote:F1 should have green–white–checker finishes.
No. Not only is it a NASCAR gimmick, but F1 doesn't even have many races finish under the safety car. Hell, I can't even think of one.
Brazil 2012.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 30 May 2013, 21:56
by AndreaModa
And one of the recent Monaco races - was it 2010 or 2011?
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 30 May 2013, 21:58
by Londoner
AndreaModa wrote:And one of the recent Monaco races - was it 2010 or 2011?
That was the 2010 race, where Schumacher got done for his brilliant pass on Alonso because no-one had a clue what the rules were for such a situation.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 30 May 2013, 22:51
by Onxy Wrecked
darkapprentice77 wrote:F1 should have green–white–checker finishes.
Even if F1 did, the cars tend to be too spaced out for that to happen very often.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 31 May 2013, 00:26
by Aerospeed
Onxy Wrecked wrote:darkapprentice77 wrote:F1 should have green–white–checker finishes.
Even if F1 did, the cars tend to be too spaced out for that to happen very often.
Can't happen in F1 since they would need more fuel in the cars - and with refuelling being illegal, well...
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 31 May 2013, 00:32
by go_Rubens
JeremyMcClean wrote:Onxy Wrecked wrote:darkapprentice77 wrote:F1 should have green–white–checker finishes.
Even if F1 did, the cars tend to be too spaced out for that to happen very often.
Can't happen in F1 since they would need more fuel in the cars - and with refuelling being illegal, well...
Then the idea should be struck out until refueling is brought back. IF refueling is brought back...
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 31 May 2013, 00:40
by Onxy Wrecked
JeremyMcClean wrote:Onxy Wrecked wrote:darkapprentice77 wrote:F1 should have green–white–checker finishes.
Even if F1 did, the cars tend to be too spaced out for that to happen very often.
Can't happen in F1 since they would need more fuel in the cars - and with refuelling being illegal, well...
Either that or build a bigger fuel tank and improve efficiency!
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 04 Jun 2013, 17:00
by Wallio
go_Rubens wrote:
Then the idea should be struck out until refueling is brought back. IF refueling is brought back...
I've said it before and I'll say it again, F1 needs refueling again.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 04 Jun 2013, 17:10
by Salamander
Wallio wrote:go_Rubens wrote:
Then the idea should be struck out until refueling is brought back. IF refueling is brought back...
I've said it before and I'll say it again, F1 needs refueling again.
F1 doesn't 'need' anything but the best drivers.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 04 Jun 2013, 17:33
by Wallio
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Wallio wrote:go_Rubens wrote:
Then the idea should be struck out until refueling is brought back. IF refueling is brought back...
I've said it before and I'll say it again, F1 needs refueling again.
F1 doesn't 'need' anything but the best drivers.
Well I would argue it needs cars, tyres, and fuel, but that's just me. And a track would help too.
I'll be going now.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 04 Jun 2013, 19:20
by mario
Wallio wrote:go_Rubens wrote:
Then the idea should be struck out until refueling is brought back. IF refueling is brought back...
I've said it before and I'll say it again, F1 needs refueling again.
As I've said before, I do not think that refuelling is, strictly speaking, that necessary to the sport - refuelling only occurred in a minority of the races that have occurred in F1, even when it was perfectly legal to do so, and outside of F1 mid race refuelling stops are only really common in endurance racing (where they are a necessity) and, I believe, IndyCar racing.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 04 Jun 2013, 21:12
by roblo97
mario wrote:Wallio wrote:go_Rubens wrote:
Then the idea should be struck out until refueling is brought back. IF refueling is brought back...
I've said it before and I'll say it again, F1 needs refueling again.
As I've said before, I do not think that refuelling is, strictly speaking, that necessary to the sport - refuelling only occurred in a minority of the races that have occurred in F1, even when it was perfectly legal to do so, and outside of F1 mid race refuelling stops are only really common in endurance racing (where they are a necessity) and, I believe, IndyCar racing.
Because Indy cars are flat out arround the ovals which means they are sucking more fuel out of the tanks to make them go flat out and Indy car races are longer than f1 as well
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 04 Jun 2013, 23:47
by Salamander
roblomas52 wrote:mario wrote:Wallio wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again, F1 needs refueling again.
As I've said before, I do not think that refuelling is, strictly speaking, that necessary to the sport - refuelling only occurred in a minority of the races that have occurred in F1, even when it was perfectly legal to do so, and outside of F1 mid race refuelling stops are only really common in endurance racing (where they are a necessity) and, I believe, IndyCar racing.
Because Indy cars are flat out arround the ovals which means they are sucking more fuel out of the tanks to make them go flat out and Indy car races are longer than f1 as well
Which makes me wonder what an IndyCar race would be like without refuelling... it'd be tougher on the drivers, for starters...
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 04 Jun 2013, 23:59
by go_Rubens
F1 should have one type of engine and just stick with it. New engines only raise costs, not lower them.
Another one: Martin Whitmarsh is a smart team manager. Smarter than most, I'd say.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 05 Jun 2013, 00:56
by Salamander
go_Rubens wrote:F1 should have one type of engine and just stick with it. New engines only raise costs, not lower them.
That in and of itself isn't the problem. It's that the rules for the new engines are too free, which allows for development costs to spiral out of control.
Re: Unpopular F1 opinions
Posted: 05 Jun 2013, 01:26
by go_Rubens
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:go_Rubens wrote:F1 should have one type of engine and just stick with it. New engines only raise costs, not lower them.
That in and of itself isn't the problem. It's that the rules for the new engines are too free, which allows for development costs to spiral out of control.
Now, I understand. Thanks, mate!