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f1-gast wrote:
Dark77 wrote:What if Marcel Albers hadn't been killed?

Then The Netherlands would have the First Formula 1 driver who would win a Race in the Formula 1.

He died when i was 1 if im correct, but he was next to Verstappen our biggest talent that time.
Probably he would joined the F1 in Mid 92


Is he related to Christijan by any means?
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No he isn't as far as i know.

His Crash at Thruxton was horrible
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What if every driver ended up retiring from a Grand Prix?
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andrew2209 wrote:What if every driver ended up retiring from a Grand Prix?

I don't know this myself, but the sensible decision would be to red-flag the race and count back two laps to at least have a couple of finishers.
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andrew2209 wrote:What if every driver ended up retiring from a Grand Prix?

They stop the race when there are 8 drivers left if im correct , though America 2005 there where just 6 drivers.
Not sure if there are any rules for this.
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f1-gast wrote:
andrew2209 wrote:What if every driver ended up retiring from a Grand Prix?

They stop the race when there are 8 drivers left if im correct , though America 2005 there where just 6 drivers.
Not sure if there are any rules for this.

Well, seven drivers finished in Australia in 2008 so I don't think that's it...
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tommykl wrote:
f1-gast wrote:
andrew2209 wrote:What if every driver ended up retiring from a Grand Prix?

They stop the race when there are 8 drivers left if im correct , though America 2005 there where just 6 drivers.
Not sure if there are any rules for this.

Well, seven drivers finished in Australia in 2008 so I don't think that's it...


And Monaco 1996 had even less finishers, although it was flagged due to time limit.

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andrew2209 wrote:What if every driver ended up retiring from a Grand Prix?

I don't know this myself, but the sensible decision would be to red-flag the race and count back two laps to at least have a couple of finishers.

I think, but might be mistaken, that it depends on whether any of the drivers have covered a sufficient distance for them to be classified as finishing the race. Were it the case that all of the drivers were to retire and no classified finishers remained, I think that, in that instance, the race might well be declared as null and void altogether - if not, then I suspect that the most likely scenario would be your red flagged race and a classification based on the appropriate lap.

That said, about the only situation that I could see producing something like that would have to be a repeat of the infamous 1998 Belgian GP scenario - with spare cars now no longer available, a large startline crash that lead to a red flag would also force the drivers involved to sit out the restart if the cars could not be repaired in time.
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What if (heavy) rain came from nowhere on the formation lap?
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good_Ralf wrote:What if (heavy) rain came from nowhere on the formation lap?


Safety car immediately called, everyone pits for full wets. A red flag could be possible as well.
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Dark77 wrote:What If Mike Joy and Darrell Waltrip commentated on an F1 race?

Boogity Boogity Boogity, and there's Grosjean putting a bit too much boogity in his car as he has just crashed into someone else.
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Dark77 wrote:What If Mike Joy and Darrell Waltrip commentated on an F1 race?

Boogity Boogity Boogity, and there's Grosjean putting a bit too much boogity in his car as he has just crashed into someone else.

But now, we bring you a live update from Talladega, where Danica Patrick is in a brilliant 27th position! That girl is nothing but talent!
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tommykl wrote:
Onxy Wrecked wrote:Boogity Boogity Boogity, and there's Grosjean putting a bit too much boogity in his car as he has just crashed into someone else.

But now, we bring you a live update from Talladega, where Danica Patrick is in a brilliant 27th position! That girl is nothing but talent!

And now we have Clint Bowyer spinning out again. This is a sure fire signal he will have a top 5 at worse, boogity.
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What if the one lap qualifying rule was still in effect?
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good_Ralf wrote:
f1-gast wrote:
Dark77 wrote:What if Marcel Albers hadn't been killed?

Then The Netherlands would have the First Formula 1 driver who would win a Race in the Formula 1.

He died when i was 1 if im correct, but he was next to Verstappen our biggest talent that time.
Probably he would joined the F1 in Mid 92


Is he related to Christijan by any means?


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In regards with all drivers retiring - I would assume the one with most laps completed in a shortest time is the winner, and 90% is counted from that (to list the rest of the classified drivers)

If the winner completed less than 75% of the original race distance, half points would be awarded.
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What If the British GP was held at Thruxton, and a driver tried going through Church flat with DRS and KERS on?
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Dark77 wrote:What If the British GP was held at Thruxton, and a driver tried going through Church flat with DRS and KERS on?


Could probably do it fine, although they almost would put the DRS zone just after Church.
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watka wrote:
Dark77 wrote:What If the British GP was held at Thruxton, and a driver tried going through Church flat with DRS and KERS on?


Could probably do it fine, although they almost would put the DRS zone just after Church.

I doubt that they would have any problems at all - all of the drivers were able to run through Blanchimont flat out with DRS open in dry conditions last year, and I believe that Blanchimont is a tighter radius corner than Church at Thruxton.
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What if there was no difference between the LMP1 regulations for diesel and petrol engines?

Meaning that the Audi R10, which had a 5.5 litre twin-turbo V12, would have had to use a 4.0 litre V8 with a single turbo.
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Vepe wrote:What if there was no difference between the LMP1 regulations for diesel and petrol engines?

Meaning that the Audi R10, which had a 5.5 litre twin-turbo V12, would have had to use a 4.0 litre V8 with a single turbo.


The diesels would still have run away with Le Mans and ensure that LMP racing would be fairly boring from then on.
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Vepe wrote:What if there was no difference between the LMP1 regulations for diesel and petrol engines?

Meaning that the Audi R10, which had a 5.5 litre twin-turbo V12, would have had to use a 4.0 litre V8 with a single turbo.

It would have cut into the competitive advantage of the diesel engines pretty heavily - part of the reason for the R10 being so quick was the fact that Audi had a considerable power advantage (the claimed power output was >650bhp, with some pegging that figure closer to 700bhp, against a field where most cars had 630bhp at most). An increase of capacity of 37.5% is a potentially huge advantage - I believe that the ACO later admitted they had to give the diesel engined cars an advantage to begin with otherwise nobody would invest in one at all.
Had Audi persisted with a diesel engine, though, one advantage it would have brought is that the engine would probably have been a good deal lighter - Audi never officially revealed the weight of the engine, but it was rumoured to be overweight and the very first R10's were supposedly 35kg over the 900kg minimum weight limit (which was then conveniently raised by the ACO to 925kg just before the R10 hit the track, something Audi admitted had been quite helpful to them).
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Having just watched the latest 'Legends of F1' segment on Sky, I have a new one:

What if Wolfgang von Trips didn't hit Tony Brooks on the first lap of the 1959 United States Grand Prix? Could Brooks have won the championship that day as a result?
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Wizzie wrote:Having just watched the latest 'Legends of F1' segment on Sky, I have a new one:

What if Wolfgang von Trips didn't hit Tony Brooks on the first lap of the 1959 United States Grand Prix? Could Brooks have won the championship that day as a result?

He might have been able to, but it would have been difficult given the competition he faced. Trintignant had been within a tenth of Brooks in qualifying and set the fastest lap of the race, so he probably would have faced stiff competition from him for the win (which Brooks needed in order to take the title), so I am not sure that he could have won even if von Trips hadn't mistakenly hit him on the opening lap.
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What if Canada 2010 had been a standard 2010, bulletproof-tyres affair, and not the slight wackiness fest that it was? Would that have coloured the FIA's views on how to spice up the racing with tyres in any way?
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What if Nigel Mansell did retire at the end of 1990 like he intended to?
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FullMetalJack wrote:What if Nigel Mansell did retire at the end of 1990 like he intended to?


Prost would have joined Williams earlier and be a 5 times world champion.
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watka wrote:
FullMetalJack wrote:What if Nigel Mansell did retire at the end of 1990 like he intended to?


Prost would have joined Williams earlier and be a 5 times world champion.


Possibly 6, if he somehow wound up at Williams for 1991.
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Salamander wrote:
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FullMetalJack wrote:What if Nigel Mansell did retire at the end of 1990 like he intended to?


Prost would have joined Williams earlier and be a 5 times world champion.


Possibly 6, if he somehow wound up at Williams for 1991.


If Prost joined Williams in 1991, who would take his Ferrari seat?

If he didn't, would Boutsen keep his Williams seat? If so, i'd assume Alliot would stay at Ligier, seeing as Boutsen went there for 1991, and Alliot didn't have a drive.
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What if Lewis Hamilton joined Mclaren in 2006?

Would Lewis have justified the hype considering that Mclaren had an off season that year?
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Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:What if Lewis Hamilton joined Mclaren in 2006?

Would Lewis have justified the hype considering that Mclaren had an off season that year?


I could imagine Lewis would have done as well as Raikkonen if not better. The two would be evenly matched IMO but whenever Raikkonen challenged for victory the car failed him. The only race which Hamilton might have triumphed in would have been Hungary, with the rain equalizing the field.
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Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:What if Lewis Hamilton joined Mclaren in 2006?

Would Lewis have justified the hype considering that Mclaren had an off season that year?

I think the more pertinent question if that happened would be what on gods earth was Ron Dennis smoking?

I mean, taking a driver straight from GP2 to a top team is a risk, so the jump from F3 to McLaren would be totally ludicrous.
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takagi_for_the_win wrote:I think the more pertinent question if that happened would be what on gods earth was Ron Dennis smoking?


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What if Dino Morelli didn't have his horrifying crash at the Nurburgring in 1997?
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What if Vettel raced for Marussia and Chilton raced for Red Bull?
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apple2009 wrote:What if Vettel raced for Marussia and Chilton raced for Red Bull?


To the Chiltonites Max would be a future champion. To Me he wouldn't score a podium.

As for Vettel we would see if he could silence those critics and the British press who say that he only wins because of the car
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apple2009 wrote:What if Vettel raced for Marussia and Chilton raced for Red Bull?

Vettel would win some races and Chilton would consistently finish in top 6
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Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:To the Chiltonites Max would be a future champion. To Me he wouldn't score a podium.

As for Vettel we would see if he could silence those critics and the British press who say that he only wins because of the car

The ChiltonCraze is sarcasm, you know....

roblomas52 wrote:Vettel would win some races and Chilton would consistently finish in top 6

In a Marussia? How?? He would be ahead of Chilton, sometimes the Caterhams depending on development, and that's it. I don't think we'd see consistent top 6 from Chilton considering Webber's 5th in the championship right now, but minor points would certainly be reasonable.
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Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:To the Chiltonites Max would be a future champion. To Me he wouldn't score a podium.

As for Vettel we would see if he could silence those critics and the British press who say that he only wins because of the car

The ChiltonCraze is sarcasm, you know....

roblomas52 wrote:Vettel would win some races and Chilton would consistently finish in top 6

In a Marussia? How?? He would be ahead of Chilton, sometimes the Caterhams depending on development, and that's it. I don't think we'd see consistent top 6 from Chilton considering Webber's 5th in the championship right now, but minor points would certainly be reasonable.


Yes i know it's sarcasm. I'm just saying that those who are at the head of the ChiltonCraze (Jocke1 FullMetalJack East Londoner) will make the jokes about how if Chilton was in a Red Bull he would be a multiple champion
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Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:To the Chiltonites Max would be a future champion. To Me he wouldn't score a podium.

As for Vettel we would see if he could silence those critics and the British press who say that he only wins because of the car

The ChiltonCraze is sarcasm, you know....

roblomas52 wrote:Vettel would win some races and Chilton would consistently finish in top 6

In a Marussia? How?? He would be ahead of Chilton, sometimes the Caterhams depending on development, and that's it. I don't think we'd see consistent top 6 from Chilton considering Webber's 5th in the championship right now, but minor points would certainly be reasonable.


Yes i know it's sarcasm. I'm just saying that those who are at the head of the ChiltonCraze (Jocke1 FullMetalJack East Londoner) will make the jokes about how if Chilton was in a Red Bull he would be a multiple champion

Mind you, it does bring up the point that Bob Fearnley, part of the senior management at Force India, made late last year when asked to assess the capability of the RB8. He rather bitterly responded "Frankly, at least half of the grid could be a champion in that car" - maybe undercutting Vettel's achievements rather harshly, but it does underline the point that the sport is about the combination of driver and team and that, with the drivers relatively closely matched in terms of raw pace these days, the car still remains the largest performance differentiator.
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