Reject of the race leaderboard

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 02 Oct 2012, 20:52

I'm actually slightly stunned it's the first time Karthikeyan's ever got the award!

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 02 Oct 2012, 22:11

I guess basic mistakes and tortoise pace are just taken for granted as the norm from him, so not usually punished with RotR. Whereas arguably Schumacher's 7 time champion status is part of the reason why he has so many. (It's not just his comeback, he would've been top when his 1st career ended, and stayed there until Monza 08). But now his comeback has been littered with so many rookie errors that Enoch's got bored if giving it to him, even in races like this when he really should've got it...

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 10 Oct 2012, 16:34

Updated for Suzuka. Perez debuts in joint 47th.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 20 Oct 2012, 23:21

Updated for Korea. The 5 elements of f1 Gangam Style debut in joint 117th.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 20 Oct 2012, 23:41

I'm amazed that McLaren are still at 0.11 ROTR awards when they've done more than enough this year to deserve at least three more.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 21 Oct 2012, 21:58

Yeah I've always thought it strange that they've never received an outright RotR considering how many blunders they've always made.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 31 Oct 2012, 13:08

Updated for India. The New Delhi haze debuts in joint 47th.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 11 Nov 2012, 12:00

Updated for Abu Dhabi. Mark Webber vaults from joint 13th to joint 8th, level with Felipe Massa and Takuma Sato.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 11 Nov 2012, 14:16

Makes a change for it to be a driver and even more so one who's previously got RotR awards!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 12 Nov 2012, 12:15

I must point out in the leaderboard, Webber is still down as having 4.06 awards when it now should be 5.06.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 12 Nov 2012, 18:30

Fixed, thanks for pointing it out.

And yes, it's the 1st time since Spa that it's gone to a driver who had previously had an award, and the 1st time since Hungary that it's gone to just one driver who'd previously had one.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 22 Nov 2012, 21:16

Well I looked at the leaderboard & saw "Mercedes" listed with 2 RotRs, but they were as an engine supplier, so for consistency with Toyota, Ferrari etc I retitled that entity "Mercedes engines" while Mercedes GP debuts in joint 47th. It is tricky deciding what to do in these situations...

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 01 Dec 2012, 11:34

Updated for Brazil. Paul di Resta debuts in joint 47th...

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 13 Feb 2013, 12:48

I've got an idea for this thread looking at some of the posts on the thread about the 2012 season review - I reckon it would be a good idea to somewhere (perhaps the first post on this thread) list the RotR's for which there hasn't been a race review, for easy reference.

You could also include the late 2008 races in that too.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 21 Mar 2013, 16:49

Pastor Maldonado jumps from 19th to 13th, tied with fellow South American hothead Juan Pablo Montoya!

James1978 wrote:I've got an idea for this thread looking at some of the posts on the thread about the 2012 season review - I reckon it would be a good idea to somewhere (perhaps the first post on this thread) list the RotR's for which there hasn't been a race review, for easy reference.

You could also include the late 2008 races in that too.

Sorry I didn't see your post until now, but it's added to the 1st post now.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 24 Mar 2013, 15:14

Nice one, thanks!!

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 07 Apr 2013, 21:07

Updated for Malaysia. Ferrari jump from 9th to 4th, Red Bull go from joint 27th to 26th, Raikkonen stays 3rd, Hamilton stays 11th.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 08 Apr 2013, 11:57

Someone managing to end up with .92 of an award is quite some achievement. :lol:

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 08 Apr 2013, 15:15

Yes it comes from 1/2 (0.50) of Europe 2007, 1/6 (0.17, well, 0.1666...) of Bahrain 2008, now 1/4 (0.25) of Malaysia 2013. So actually it's .91666..., i.e. 11/12ths. No-one's shared as many awards as Hamilton, although Raikkonen has the odd-looking .31 (actually .30555...) courtesy of 1/18th (0.0555...) of Canada 2007, and now this.

Post by **Londoner** » 08 Apr 2013, 21:58

Here's a question, was there a ROTR award for Australia 2001, or was it not awarded due to the death of the marshall in the Villeneuve/Schumacher crash?

Can we also have the ROTR for Monaco 2001 retroactively changed, to Jamie and Enoch? :lol:

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 09 Apr 2013, 09:31

There was no RotR for Australia 2001, don't know why, it's not mentioned in the race review, personally I suspect they just forgot.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 09 Apr 2013, 11:11

It's the same for Japan and Malaysia 2000 as well and there were no deaths in those races.......

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 09 Apr 2013, 17:38

Also Australia 2003 is missing. (And Monza 2000 had a death but still had a RotR). I reckon they just forgot for all of those races.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 10 Apr 2013, 21:53

tc3j3r wrote:Also Australia 2003 is missing. (And Monza 2000 had a death but still had a RotR). I reckon they just forgot for all of those races.

Although it's fairly safe to say if there was an award for Australia 2003, it'd probably go to Rubens Barrichello for blatantly jumping the start before throwing it into the wall at turn 5 :lol:

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 17 Apr 2013, 10:50

Updated for China. Gutierrez debuts in joint 47th.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 17 Apr 2013, 12:24

Is someone's 3rd race a record for quickest RotR?

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 17 Apr 2013, 12:29

James1978 wrote:Is someone's 3rd race a record for quickest RotR?

I guess it's a new record. Even Yuji Ide needed four races until his first ROTR.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 17 Apr 2013, 14:19

pi314159 wrote:
James1978 wrote:Is someone's 3rd race a record for quickest RotR?

I guess it's a new record. Even Yuji Ide needed four races until his first ROTR.

There are the people like Neil Horan and the Korea podium girl whose statistics we have no idea about.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 17 Apr 2013, 20:58

Well Valencia Street Circuit certainly got RotR in its first race! But Gutierrez is probably a record for drivers...

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 18 Apr 2013, 13:13

Liuzzi got it in his 2nd.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 30 Apr 2013, 13:17

Jenson Button overtakes Ferrari to move from 5th to 4th!

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 13 May 2013, 19:12

I'm surprised Mclaren have never won this award outright despite it being held for 10 years and despite the Woking squad' best efforts to get it. Can someone tell me which GP was it that Mclaren shared ROTR

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 14 May 2013, 07:53

Japan 2002 was shared between the 9 teams apart from Ferrari due to them all failing miserably to even get close to challenging Ferrari, as had been the case all season. That's why so many teams scores end in .11. I agree it's surprising that they've never won it outright. In particular they were lucky that Liegate hadn't been exposed yet when the Australia 2009 decision was made...

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 14 May 2013, 19:11

I thought the "all teams bar Ferrari" RotR was rather harsh on teams like Minardi and (new to F1 that year) Toyota who even in anyone's wildest dreams couldn't have been reasonably expected to have challenged Ferrari. I think if anything it should have gone half and half to McLaren and Williams.

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 19 May 2013, 17:12

Hamilton leaps from 11th to 5th, now just 1 place and .3 of a RotR behind Button.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 19 May 2013, 18:11

I'll try and name Schumacher's 10 ROTR's

Indy 2002 (Shared with Barrichello) Finish line formation
Malaysia 2003-Rash move into turn 1
Monaco 2004-Stupid errors cost win record
China 2004-Talentless secret clone turned up instead
Monaco 2006-For the qualy fiasco
Hungary 2006-Wasted title closing chance
Canada 2010-Reckless late race antics
Hungary 2010-For the move on Barichello
Turkey 2011-Broke front wing and passed by everyone
Germany 2011 (Shared with Vettel) Underwhelming performances by both German stars
Hungary 2012-Deletraz took over his car

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 31 May 2013, 14:18

Monaco Update: Romain Grosjean moves up to 26th with his 2nd full ROTR and the half from Belgium last year

Post by **Ataxia** » 31 May 2013, 17:12

Kimi-ICE wrote:Monaco Update: Romain Grosjean moves up to 26th with his 2nd full ROTR and the half from Belgium last year

Hold your horses, let tc3j3r do this. I know you're eager, but this will eventually get updated.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 31 May 2013, 17:23

Sorry about that. It's just ROTR is the best part of the forum

tc3j3r · Post by **tc3j3r** » 02 Jun 2013, 10:04

Updated, sorry for not doing it sooner.