Grand Prix Rejects

pycku wrote:Does that mean that I have to pay 4.5 mln every time to test it or just 500 k ?

Hermann95 wrote:

pycku wrote:Does that mean that I have to pay 4.5 mln every time to test it or just 500 k ?

You have to pay the 4.5m just once! After you payed and testet it for the first time you only have to pay 500k!

pycku wrote:

Hermann95 wrote:

pycku wrote:Does that mean that I have to pay 4.5 mln every time to test it or just 500 k ?

You have to pay the 4.5m just once! After you payed and testet it for the first time you only have to pay 500k!

Thanks for explanation, just one more question - obviously by testing with 3 cars there isn't 70% chance of active suspension working (it is lower). What is the chance of successful testing active suspension with tests and does it grow with every next test?

Hermann95 wrote:Pre season Testing: Hockenheim

Ferrari

Cooling system not succesful
Gearbox succesful
Suspension succesful

Brabham

Floor succesful

Mclaren

Floor succesful

Eurobrun

Sequential Gearbox systems didn't work
Power Steering systems didn't work

AGS

Rear Wing not succesful
Front Wing succesful

Leyton House

Front Wing succesful

Time Table

1 Jean Alesi (Meclaren-Honda) 1:46.970
2 Nelson Piquet (Ferrari) 1:47.112
3 Alain Prost (Meclaren-Honda) 1:47.114
4 Bernd Scheider (Meclaren-Honda(T)) 1:47.182
5 Satoru Nakajima (Ferrari) 1:47.419
6 Yannick Dalmas (Ferrari(T)) 1:47.911
7 Nigel Mansell (Brabham-Ford) 1:49.036
8 Aguri Suzuki (Brabham-Ford(T)) 1:49.440
9 Ivan Capelli (Leyton House-Ford) 1:49.482
10 Ricardo Patrese (Leyton House-Ford) 1:49.534
11 Andrea de Cesaris (Brabham-Ford) 1:49.606
12 Eric Bernard (Leyton House-Ford(T)) 1:49.847
13 Alex Caffi (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:50.276
14 Emmanuel Collard (AGS-Lamborghini(T)) 1:50.429
15 Bertrand Gachot (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:50.914
16 Alan McNish (Eurobrun-Ford) 1:51.051
17 Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Eurobrun-Ford) 1:51.391
18 JJ Lehto (Eurobrun-Ford(T)) 1:52.587

Hermann95 wrote:

FullMetalJack wrote:Dammit, I didn't know about this. I'll have to wait for 1991

As FantometteBR has requested Jordan, would I be able to take the Modena team for 1991?

You can still request Jordan because FantometteBr is in with Osella in this season!
If you like i will sign you up with Jordan for the next season!

Samster wrote:Minardi would like to sign Bruno Giacomelli as our test driver.

Hermann95 wrote:

Samster wrote:Minardi would like to sign Bruno Giacomelli as our test driver.

How much?

Hermann95 wrote:Minardi

Bruno Giacomelli will sign with Minardi for 200k.

PS: Does anyone exactly know which teams had to pre-qualify at the start of 1990?

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Larrouse AGS and Eurobrun in terms of 2 car teams and Osella Coloni and Life in terms of 1 car teams

Ataxia wrote:We're starting in pre-qualifying? Damn...

Is there a chance AGS can make an investment in a test before the season opens?

Hermann95 wrote:

Ataxia wrote:We're starting in pre-qualifying? Damn...

Is there a chance AGS can make an investment in a test before the season opens?

Nope, pre-season testing ends today! Each team had 2 oportunities! Same for all!

PS: i would like to start the 1st race tomorow but i still need the second driver from Coloni!

good_Ralf wrote:Last! My total and utter inexperience at these things has sealed my team ROTY already!

Autosport wrote:F1 Alternative 1990 season preview
After pre season testings are over we can give a quike look on team performances and expectations for the 1990 season.
After analysing the pre season testing time tables we can say the following:

Mclaren
Alain Prost the defending world champion is still driving for the team. They look very competative and set the fastest times at Jerez and Hockenheim. Prost's teammate will be the young frenchman Jean Alesi. He surprised everyone with setting the fastest time at Hockenheim!

Ferrari
Ferrari managed to set the fastest time at Imola and the second fastest at Hockenheim. t looks like they are very close to Mclaren and most experts think that it will be a fight for the Championship between this two teams. 3 times world Champion Nelson Piquet will be their greatest weapon.

Benneton
1988 champion Ayrton Senna is the new star at Benneton. He sayed that the car handles well but they also have a big problem: The engine! Benneton didn't managed to get a new engine for this season resulting in driving with the old Cosworth 89' spec engines. There is a massive lack of power in the Benneton car but they can hope to get some decent results especially at tracks like monaco.

Williams
Williams made some good pre season testings. Thierry Boutson was fastest at Silverstone. They look very close to the Benneton's fighting for the 3rd place in the constructors chamionship but they have a much stronger engine which will give big advantages on fast tracks.

Tyrell
Tyrell is able to fight for points in nearly every race. Powerd with strong Renault engines they look compatative everywhere. Mark Blundell set the fastest time at Le Castellet which proofed the good performance they have.

Larrouse
They have to compete in pre-qualifying. Despite that they lokked very competative and are supposed to score points during the season.

Leyton House
Experts say that Leyton House could be a surprise this season. They had a pretty good test at imola which proofed that they are close to Lotus and Larrouse.

Lotus
With their new star Gerhard Berger they lokk very competative to score points and maybe even podiums this season. If they make some progress during the season they could even fight the Tyrell's.

Footwork Arrows
Arrow's surprisingly showed an active suspension construction during pre season testing. If they get theyr things together and success in developing this ambitious thing they may even fight for podiums. Otherwise they will fight with Leyton House and Larrouse.

Brabham
Nigel Mansell surprisingly signed with Brabham. He proofed that the Brabham BT59 isn't a bad car and that the team will be able to score points.

Ligier
The French team was abit slower than minardi during pre season testing. The chance of scorung points isn't really high.

Minardi
Minardi could be able to score some points, but only if the top and top-midfielder teams strugle.

Onyx
They where a bit slower than Minardi and will compete against them and Ligier in the Lower-Midfield.

AGS
They have to compete in pre-qualifying. We think they will make it the most time but they could have some troubles to qualify for the race.

Dallara
They made some good progress during pre season but don't look competative eneough for points. Maybe they could surprise with some top10 results.

Osella
They will compete during pre qualifying but experts say that they will have some serious problems to make it!

Eurobrun
Looks the same as for Osella but they are a bit faster. However, they tried a new power steering system and a sequential gearbox. If they can run those things they won't have troubles to participate in races we think but some say that Eurobrun have very big financial problems.

Coloni
They where as slow as expectet. It is still posibble that they run only one car during the season whichwill very likely not make it trough pre-qualifying.

We are very excited about the season start. Hopefully it will be a very exciting and gripping season.

Shizuka wrote:Speaking of preq, will you shuffle the participants mid-season? I do believe it's fair, if for example Larrousse goes 1-2 in the first half, while smaller teams have less chance because of this.

pycku wrote:I predict very poor season for Arrows, if Ford '90 doesn't prove to be a wonderful engine...

Hermann95 wrote:

Shizuka wrote:Speaking of preq, will you shuffle the participants mid-season? I do believe it's fair, if for example Larrousse goes 1-2 in the first half, while smaller teams have less chance because of this.

Yeah, after the 8th race they will be changed. Top 13 teams in the constructors championship don't have to prequalify. The rest will have to.

pycku wrote:I predict very poor season for Arrows, if Ford '90 doesn't prove to be a wonderful engine...

As said in the text. If you can develop the active suspension it could be good. Otherwise....

Bleu wrote:

Hermann95 wrote:

Shizuka wrote:Speaking of preq, will you shuffle the participants mid-season? I do believe it's fair, if for example Larrousse goes 1-2 in the first half, while smaller teams have less chance because of this.

Yeah, after the 8th race they will be changed. Top 13 teams in the constructors championship don't have to prequalify. The rest will have to.

pycku wrote:I predict very poor season for Arrows, if Ford '90 doesn't prove to be a wonderful engine...

As said in the text. If you can develop the active suspension it could be good. Otherwise....

Looking how it was in real-life, I believe it was last 8 races of 1989+first 8 races of 1990.

In 1990 first half, 10 teams had scored. Additionally Monteverdi and Minardi who had 7th place were in (both had points from the latter half 1989). Dallara had the advantage over Ligier although they had 11th and Ligier 9th as the best result of 1990. Dallara had three 7ths in 1989 latter half. Ligier stayed in the pre-qualifying for two races until Monteverdi pulled out of F1.

Bleu wrote:I changed some numbers in the entry list. Since Osella is with two cars (one in real-life), I moved them to 17/18, the place they held in 1989. AGS took 31/32 (Coloni's 1989 numbers) and Coloni, having single car is number 14. Just so that each team has successive numbers and not like Osella was, listed with 14&37.

Salamander wrote:I'm pretty sure the Ferrari was not that good at the start of 1990.