F1 Alternativ: season 1991/Spain race-Porsche needs manager

Neno · Post by **Neno** » 19 Dec 2013, 10:04

Modena will be doing the same test than Imola

Drag
Downforce
Weight

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 19 Dec 2013, 10:44

Brabham will stay in Interlagos and have the two main cars work on reducing weight.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 19 Dec 2013, 13:15

Lotus will stay in Brazil with all three cars as well.

Reliability
Reliablity
Downforce

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 19 Dec 2013, 16:03

Hermann95 wrote:Stefano Modena crashed very heavy on lap 20. He smashed into the back of Stefan Johannson's Larrousse just before turn 4.

Aww man

I'm sure we have to keep updating our power steering system for all our cars at Imola. It's important.

Stefan is easily quite capable of finishing first for the Judd-engined cars, and he needs a decent car to stay up there.

Rated · Post by **Rated** » 19 Dec 2013, 16:51

As the next race is at Imola, we'll go there to test.

Dallara
Car 1 : Erik Comas - Drag
Car 2 : JJ Lehto - Drag
Car 3 : Emanuele Pirro - Drag

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 19 Dec 2013, 17:02

Leyton House will test at Brazil.
Car 1: Weight
Car 2: Drag
Car 3: Downforce

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 20 Dec 2013, 14:34

Coloni will test at Monza. All 3 Cars will test the Suspension

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 20 Dec 2013, 14:39

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Coloni will test at Monza and all 3 cars will focus on the engines

I don't think I need more data at the moment. You can focus on something different.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 20 Dec 2013, 14:42

To all engine manufacturers:
If you wan't to upgrade your engines, just e-mail me with the details of the upgrades!
Most of the engine manufacturers have already much information about their engines!

Btw. Testing will be done later this day!

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 20 Dec 2013, 14:49

pi314159 wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Coloni will test at Monza and all 3 cars will focus on the engines

I don't think I need more data at the moment. You can focus on something different.

Like what?

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 20 Dec 2013, 14:50

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
pi314159 wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Coloni will test at Monza and all 3 cars will focus on the engines

I don't think I need more data at the moment. You can focus on something different.

Like what?

It's your team, so that is your decision. But I just wanted to tell you that you don't need to use your testing time to get engine data for Ilmor.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 20 Dec 2013, 17:18

Pi 314159, please check your email!

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Coloni will test at Monza. The 2 race drivers will focus on Cooling and the test driver will focus on suspension

There is no cooling testing anymore! I changed the system since last year!
I no have to wait woth testing and the Imola GP....if you don't replay within the next 3 hours, i will run the testing and Coloni will only test their suspension with 1 car!

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 20 Dec 2013, 17:32

Hermann95 wrote:Pi 314159, please check your email!

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Coloni will test at Monza. The 2 race drivers will focus on Cooling and the test driver will focus on suspension

There is no cooling testing anymore! I changed the system since last year!
I no have to wait woth testing and the Imola GP....if you don't replay within the next 3 hours, i will run the testing and Coloni will only test their suspension with 1 car!

Sorted. All 3 will have suspension testing

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 20 Dec 2013, 18:18

Onyx will do test at Interlagos - weight for Capelli, reliability for Warwick.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 20 Dec 2013, 18:48

Testing will start now, so no new plans accepted!

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 21 Dec 2013, 16:32

Testing

AGS

Engine data will be sent to you and Ford

Minardi

Active Suspension system didn't work
traction Control system didn't work

Ferrari

Engine no new data
reliability succesful

Tyrell

Powersteering system didn't work

Williams

Active suspension system worked

Fondmetal

Drag succesful

Arrows

Powersteering system worked

Modena

Drag not succesful
Downforce not succesful
Weight succesful

Brabham

Weight succesful

Lotus

Reliability succesful
Downforce not succesful

Larrousse

Power steering succesful

Dallara

Drag succesful

Leyton House

Drag not succesful
Downforce not succesful
Weight Not succesful

Coloni

suspension succesful

Onyx

Weight succesful
reliability succesful

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 22 Dec 2013, 15:54

Round 3: Imola

Pre-qualifying
Heavy Rain

1 Alain Prost (AGS-Ford) 1:42.742
2 Nicola Larini (Modena-Lamborghini) 1:44.488
3 Alex Caffi (AGS-Ford) 1:44.792
4 Eddie Irvine (Jordan-Judd) 1:45.066
5 Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Jordan-Judd) 1:45.408
6 Johnny Dumfries (Leyton House-Yamaha) 1:45.828
7 Andrea de Cesaris (Leyton House-Yamaha) 1:46.442
8 Bertrand Gachot (Coloni-Ilmor) 1:46.654
9 Martin Donnelly (Coloni-Ilmor) 1:47.806
10 Phillipe Alliot (Modena-Lamborghini) 1:48.038
11 Andrea Chiesa (Fondmetal-Judd) 1:48.402
12 Oliver Grouillard (Fondmetal-Judd) 1:49.242

Qualifying
Dry

1 Jean Alesi (Mclaren-Porsche) 1:24.160
2 Ayrton Senna (Arrows-Honda) 1:24.886
3 Damon Hill (Tyrell-Renault) 1:25.032
4 Thierry Boutsen (Williams-Ilmor) 1:25.392
5 Michael Schumacher (Benneton-Ilmor) 1:25.402
6 Mika Hakkinen (Arrows-Honda) 1:25.692
7 Karl Wendlinger (Williams-Ilmor) 1:25.996
8 Nigel Mansell (Tyrell-Renault) 1:26.378
9 Bernd Schneider (Mclaren-Porsche) 1:26.526
10 Alessandro Nannini (Benneton-Ilmor) 1:26.716
11 Ivan Capelli (Onyx-Porsche) 1:26.886
12 Alain Prost (AGS-Ford) 1:27.802
13 Riccardo Patrese (Brabham-Lamborghini) 1:27.808
14 Derek Warwick (Onyx-Porsche) 1:27.854
15 Mark Blundell (Lotus-Ford) 1:27.980
16 Nelson Piquet (Ferrari) 1:28.458
17 Alex Caffi (AGS-Ford) 1:28.476
18 Gerhard Berger (Lotus-Ford) 1:28.608
19 Joachim Winkelhock (Brabham-Lamborghini) 1:28.808
20 Nicola Larini (Modena-Lamborghini) 1:28.988
21 Yannik Dalmas (Ferrari) 1:29.202
22 Martin Brundle (Minardi-Honda) 1:29.378
23 Eric Comas (Dallara-Yamaha) 1:29.416
24 Johnny Herbert (Larrousse-Judd) 1:29.788
25 Eddie Irvine (Jordan-Judd) 1:29.866
26 Roberto Moreno (Ligier-Ford) 1:30.142
27 JJ Lehto (Dallara-Yamaha) 1:30.466
28 Stefan Johansson (Larrousse-Judd) 1:30.702
29 Pierluigi Martini (Minardi-Honda) 1:30.854
30 Gabriele Tarquini (Ligier-Ford) 1:31.178

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 22 Dec 2013, 16:32

Round 3: Imola

Race
It was a very exciting race here at Imola. After the first lap Alesi had the lead over Hill, with Senna in 3rd Boutsen in 4th and Schumacher in 5th. After 15 laps it already lokked a bid different. Hill had the lead over Senna and a struggeling Alesi, with Wendlinger in 4th and Boutsen in 5th. In lap 23 Hill made a mistake and was in the gravel trap. New leader Senna made the same mistake, after pushing very hard and setting 5 fastest laps. Alesi was in the lead now but his pitcrew screwed it. He felt back on p5. Boutsen was now leading over Wendlinger, with Schumacher in 3rd Mansell in 4th and Alesi in 5th. After Boutsens retirement on lap 52, Wendlinger was able to score his maiden Victory. Rookie Michael Schumacher and Wordl Champion Jean Alesi completed the podium.

Dry
1 Karl Wendlinger (Williams-Ilmor) 1:28:49.253
2 Michael Schumacher (Benneton-Ilmor) 1:28:51.392
3 Jean Alesi (Mclaren-Porsche) 1:29:04.141
4 Nigel Mansell (Tyrell-Renault) 1:29:05.752
5 Ivan Capelli (Onyx-Porsche) 1:29:45.703
6 Gerhard Berger (Lotus-Ford) -1 laps
7 Derek Warwick (Onyx-Porsche) -1 laps
8 Alex Caffi (AGS-Ford) -1 laps
9 Nelson Piquet (Ferrari) -1 laps
10 Martin Brundle (Minardi-Honda) -2 laps
11 Nicola Larini (Modena-Lamborghini) -2 laps
12 Joachim Winkelhock (Brabham-Lamborghini) -2 laps
13 Johnny Herbert (Larrousse-Judd) -2 laps
14 Roberto Moreno (Ligier-Ford) -3 laps
- Mark Blundell (Lotus-Ford) DNF/Collision lap 53
- Thierry Boutsen (Williams-Ilmor) DNF/Brakes lap 52
- Mika Hakkinen (Arrows-Honda) DNF/Driver error lap 43
- Ayrton Senna (Arrows-Honda) DNF/Driver error lap 34
- Eddie Irvine (Jordan-Judd) DNF/Gearbox lap 29
- Damon Hill (Tyrell-Renault) DNF/Driver error lap 23
- Riccardo Patrese (Brabham-Lamborghini) DNF/Clutch lap 21
- Alain Prost (AGS-Ford) DNF/Clutch lap 14
- Yannik Dalmas (Ferrari) DNF/Clutch lap 12
- Alessandro Nannini (Benneton-Ilmor) DNF/Engine lap 12
- Eric Comas (Dallara-Yamaha) DNF/Brakes lap 6
- Bernd Schneider (Mclaren-Porsche) DNF/Collision lap 2
Fastest Lap: Jean Alesi

Neno · Post by **Neno** » 22 Dec 2013, 17:31

Larini qualified, fantastic, but it wil be difficult for us to score a point.

I want to put Suzuki to 2 nd driver and alliot to test driver.

What happen at Ferrari? The tifosi are probably burning Imola.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 22 Dec 2013, 17:43

Neno wrote:Larini qualified, fantastic, but it wil be difficult for us to score a point.

I want to put Suzuki to 2 nd driver and alliot to test driver.

What happen at Ferrari? The tifosi are probably burning Imola.

Suzuki will be your 2nd driver from the next race on.

Ferrari had big problems with their engine, it looked really not that powerfull.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 22 Dec 2013, 17:48

Hermann95 wrote:Ferrari had big problems with their engine, it looked really not that powerful.

Would it be possible for Ferrari to develop/upgrade their engine?

Post by **Ataxia** » 22 Dec 2013, 17:49

If Alain can have a clean race with no issues or incidents, there's no reason we can't get a few points on the board...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 22 Dec 2013, 17:52

How do we say we are upgrading our engines? Do we just PM you with how much money we are investing into each category?

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 22 Dec 2013, 18:09

good_Ralf wrote:
Hermann95 wrote:Ferrari had big problems with their engine, it looked really not that powerful.

Would it be possible for Ferrari to develop/upgrade their engine?

Yes

Salamander wrote:How do we say we are upgrading our engines? Do we just PM you with how much money we are investing into each category?

Yeah. You also should announce it at the forum in order to let your customers now that the engine will be upgraded.
If you have customers which have to pay for upgrades you also have to name the prize for the upgrade(remember you'll have to pay 10% of the upgrade investment cost!)

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 23 Dec 2013, 02:16

Whoo Hoo! A point! Great Drive!

As for engine upgrades, here at Cosworth we are going to begin bench testing our newest motor soon after we receive the data from AGS's test. It should be ready after the next race.

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 23 Dec 2013, 03:24

Asuka Kuwashima wrote:POINTS! POINTS!

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 23 Dec 2013, 09:55

To all engine manufacturers:
If you already sent me engine update plans, please tell me how much it will cost for the teams you supplie.
If the update is free, every team you supplie will get the update instant.
If the teams will have to pay, only those who have a free update clause in their contract will get it instant(and free of charge of corse).
All others will have to accept here at the forum, after the engine manufacturer announced the upgrade!

Hopefully this is now clear. If there are still questions, feel free to ask!

Rated · Post by **Rated** » 23 Dec 2013, 14:27

This new season now has its wiki page : http://f1alternate.shoutwiki.com/wiki/1991_Alternative_F1

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 23 Dec 2013, 16:52

This is really a wonderful chrismas present.
Thank you.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 23 Dec 2013, 17:31

I already made an upgrade to the Ilmor engines. It will be available to our customer teams for 300 000 $. Williams already have the upgrade.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 23 Dec 2013, 18:00

The 1990 Wiki page hasn't been done yet

Post by **Ataxia** » 23 Dec 2013, 18:52

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:The 1990 Wiki page hasn't been done yet

Thank you for pointing that out, Captain Obvious. There is a page, however trawling through all the results and tabulating it takes time, so kudos to Rated for sorting out the '91 edition.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 23 Dec 2013, 22:12

Ataxia wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:The 1990 Wiki page hasn't been done yet

Thank you for pointing that out, Captain Obvious. There is a page, however trawling through all the results and tabulating it takes time, so kudos to Rated for sorting out the '91 edition.

this is really much work. I have a Excel file with nearly all results from 1990. I would finish of the 1990 page but i can't edit this wiki thing. Maybe i start learning it next week!:)

Btw. I will do Monaco tomorrow

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 24 Dec 2013, 12:54

Yamaha announces that it is working on an engine upgrade which will be provided to its customers ASAP.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 24 Dec 2013, 14:36

Lamborghini engine upgrades are available for 300k/Car.
Modena already purchased 2 upgrades.

I need to know how much Ferrari will have to pay for the engine upgrade.

Yamaha's update plas are not possible, because you would go into dept! With the production costs you would be 1m$ in dept!

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 27 Dec 2013, 18:44

Round 4: Monaco

Pre qualifying
Dry

1 Alex Caffi (AGS-Ford) 1:37.892
2 Aguri Suzuki (Modena-Lamborghini) 1:38.690
3 Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Jordan-Judd) 1:38.792
4 Alain Prost (AGS-Ford) 1:38.806
5 Eddie Irvine (Jordan-Judd) 1:39.176
6 Andrea de Cesaris (Leyton House-Yamaha) 1:39.472
7 Johnny Dumfries (Leyton House-Yamaha) 1:39.526
8 Nicola Larini (Modena-Lamborghini) 1:39.874
9 Bertrand Gachot (Coloni-Ilmor) 1:41.440
10 Martin Donnelly (Coloni-Ilmor) 1:41.752
11 Oliver Grouillard (Fondmetal-Judd) 1:42.944
12 Andrea Chiesa (Fondmetal-Judd) 1:43.136

Qualifying
Dry

1 Ayrton Senna (Arrows-Honda) 1:34.370
2 Thierry Boutsen (Williams-Ilmor) 1:34.460
3 Karl Wendlinger (Williams-Ilmor) 1:34.706
4 Jean Alesi (Mclaren-Porsche) 1:35.876
5 Nelson Piquet (Ferrari) 1:35.934
6 Alessandro Nannini (Benneton-Ilmor) 1:36.034
7 Bernd Schneider (Mclaren-Porsche) 1:36.248
8 Yannik Dalmas (Ferrari) 1:36.372
9 Mika Hakkinen (Arrows-Honda) 1:36.468
10 Damon Hill (Tyrell-Renault) 1:36.534
11 Nigel Mansell (Tyrell-Renault) 1:36.622
12 Michael Schumacher (Benneton-Ilmor) 1:36.702
13 Alain Prost (AGS-Ford) 1:37.738
14 Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Jordan-Judd) 1:37.972
15 Ivan Capelli (Onyx-Porsche) 1:38.482
16 Gerhard Berger (Lotus-Ford) 1:38.548
17 Derek Warwick (Onyx-Porsche) 1:38.586
18 Riccardo Patrese (Brabham-Lamborghini) 1:38.652
19 Martin Brundle (Minardi-Honda) 1:38.718
20 Mark Blundell (Lotus-Ford) 1:38.962
21 Roberto Moreno (Ligier-Ford) 1:39.216
22 Alex Caffi (AGS-Ford) 1:39.400
23 Eric Comas (Dallara-Yamaha) 1:39.714
24 Aguri Suzuki (Modena-Lamborghini) 1:39.980
25 Stefan Johansson (Larrousse-Judd) 1:40.052
26 JJ Lehto (Dallara-Yamaha) 1:40.056
27 Johnny Herbert (Larrousse-Judd) 1:40.218
28 Pierluigi Martini (Minardi-Honda) 1:40.586
29 Joachim Winkelhock (Brabham-Lamborghini) 1:41.250
30 Gabriele Tarquini (Ligier-Ford) 1:41.398

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 27 Dec 2013, 19:26

Round 4: Monaco

Race
At the start Ayrton Senna was leading over Wendlinger and Boutsen. In lap 3 Wendlinger had to retire with suspension problems. Alesi tried hard to overtake Thierry Boutsen but he didn't had a chance. Later Boutsen had to retire because of an engine failure. The leader Ayrton Senna also had to retire with suspension problems, handing over the lead to last years champion Jean Alesi. He already had his teammate behind him. They secured a very safe one-two finish in front of the two Tyrell's. Ivan Capelli scored another point for Onyx and Jordan managed to gain thier first championship points ever.

Dry
1 Jean Alesi (Mclaren-Porsche) 1:47:04.333
2 Bernd Schneider (Mclaren-Porsche) 1:47:05.463
3 Nigel Mansell (Tyrell-Renault) 1:47:16.876
4 Damon Hill (Tyrell-Renault) 1:47:17.023
5 Ivan Capelli (Onyx-Porsche) -1 lap
6 Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Jordan-Judd) -1 lap
7 Riccardo Patrese (Brabham-Lamborghini) -1 lap
8 Martin Brundle (Minardi-Honda) -1 lap
9 Alex Caffi (AGS-Ford) -1 lap
10 Derek Warwick (Onyx-Porsche) -2 laps
11 Stefan Johansson (Larrousse-Judd) -2 laps
12 Eric Comas (Dallara-Yamaha) -2 laps
- Gerhard Berger (Lotus-Ford) DNF/Crash lap 62
- Michael Schumacher (Benneton-Ilmor) DNF/Suspension lap 54
- Ayrton Senna (Arrows-Honda) DNF/Suspension lap 52
- Alessandro Nannini (Benneton-Ilmor) DNF/Collision lap 50
- Thierry Boutsen (Williams-Ilmor) DNF/Engine lap 41
- Yannik Dalmas (Ferrari) DNF/Collision lap 40
- Aguri Suzuki (Modena-Lamborghini) DNF/Engine lap 38
- Mika Hakkinen (Arrows-Honda) DNF/Driver error lap 35
- Mark Blundell (Lotus-Ford) DNF/Collision lap 22
- Nelson Piquet (Ferrari) DNF/Collision lap 20
- JJ Lehto (Dallara-Yamaha) DNF/Clutch lap 16
- Roberto Moreno (Ligier-Ford) DNF/Gearbox lap 11
- Karl Wendlinger (Williams-Ilmor) DNF/Suspension lap 3
- Alain Prost (AGS-Ford) DNF/Crash lap 2

Fastest lap: Jean Alesi

Injuries: Stefano Modena is now able to race again.

Post by **Ataxia** » 27 Dec 2013, 19:44

AGS will test reliability with two cars, and drag with the other.

Rated · Post by **Rated** » 27 Dec 2013, 19:49

Dallara will go back to Imola and start working on an adjustable rear wing. All three cars will be there to test.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 27 Dec 2013, 19:55

My word we are only faster than the Fondmetals. We have a LOT of work to do if we want to qualify.