Grand Prix Rejects

Engine Information for 1991

Well it's got to the time of year when teams start to make plans for next season, so here are the engine suppliers interested in F1 next season

Honda RA121E 3.5 V12
Engines Available: Two (Prefer McLaren)
Price: £5,000,000 (£4,000,000 with a Japanese driver)

Renault RS3 3.5 V10

Engines Available: Two (Prefer Williams)
Price: £3,000,000 (£2,000,000 with a French driver)

Yamaha OX99 3.5 V12

Engines Available: Two
Price: £3,000,000 (£2,000,000 with a Japanese driver)

Porsche 3512 3.5 V12

Engines Available: Two
Price: £1,000,000

Ford Cosworth DFR 3.5 V8

Engines Available: Any
Price: £1,000,000

Judd EV 3.5 V8

Engines Available: Any
Price: £2,000,000

Ilmor 2175A 3.5 V10

Engines Available: Two
Price: £1,000,000

Ford HB5 3.5 V8

Engines Available: Any
Price: £2,000,000

Ferrari 037 3.5 V12

Engines Available: One (Plus Ferrari) (roblomas52 may choose between any offers made)
Price: £3,000,000

Lamborghini 3512 3.5 V12

Engines Available: Two (Plus New Lambo Team)
Price: £2,000,000

Subaru 1235 3.5 F12

Engines Available: Any
Price: £750,000

Life F35 3.5 W12

Engines Available: Any (Biscione may choose between any offers made)
Price: £500,000

Also can McLaren, Williams, Ferrari & Tyrrell make their driver bids for next year

AGS are willing to pay anything out of our 8 million budget to have those Renault engines.

EuroBrun are interested in the Renault engines, but does the French driver have to be a race driver, or is test driver OK?

W12 wrote: does the French driver have to be a race driver, or is test driver OK?

Must be a race driver

Ferrari would like the same drivers as this season.

Number 1 driver
Ayrton Senna (11 million salary)
Alan Prost (11 million Salary)
Nigel Mansell (8 million salary)

Number 2 driver
Alan Prost (11 million Salary)(if not number 1)
Johnnie Herbert (2.5 million salary)
Pierluigi Martini (2.5 million salary)
Jean Alesi (3 million salary)

Test Driver
Nicola Larini (1 million Salary)
Eric Van De Poole (1 million salary)
Aguri Suzuki (however much he can bring

Arrows would be interested in either the Honda or Yamaha engines.

Sorry I've decided not to continue with this game after the 1990 season, so whoever ends up taking Lotus can make the decisions from now on.

Apologies, I had more time when I signed up...

We are willing to renew our Honda deal. As for drivers - are budgets on first page updated? I'd like to know how much money I have before offering any contracts. However, it is not a secret that we are happy with the driver lineup at our disposal and would like to keep our drivers.

RedEyes504 wrote:

W12 wrote: does the French driver have to be a race driver, or is test driver OK?

Must be a race driver

Does Gachot count as a French driver since he has more nationalities than normal people does?

Onyx are interested in Ferrari, ford cosworth and Renualt engines

AustralianStig wrote:Sorry I've decided not to continue with this game after the 1990 season, so whoever ends up taking Lotus can make the decisions from now on.

Apologies, I had more time when I signed up...

If i'm up to date this means that Coloni and Lotus are without manager for 91 right now. Is that true?

Life bids for the Honda V12 engines. We'll retain Satoru Nakajima to sweeten the deal for them.

Our backup choice is the Yamaha, and our third choice is the Judd.

Benetton will purchase Renault engines, if possible, for 1991. We can elevate Érik Comas to a race seat in place of Nelson Piquet to help broker the deal. If not, our second choice will be the Ford HB5 and the third, the Lamborghini.

RedEyes504 wrote:

W12 wrote: does the French driver have to be a race driver, or is test driver OK?

Must be a race driver

OK, here are my final engine bids:

1. Renault RS3 (I'll try to find a French driver)
2. Lamborghini 3512
3. Ford DFR

Brabham will bid for Honda, Renault and Ford engines.

After more talking between the team members, AGS decides to big on Renault engines, Yamaha engines and Ford engines.

Minardi would like Lambo engines or Ferrari engines.

Lola-Larousse engine bids:

1)Renault RS3
2)Lamborghini 3512
3)Ford HB5

Dallara would like to bid for the engines in order of preference (at their listed prices):
1. Ford HB5 V8
2. Judd
3. Ilmor

Tyrrell will bid for the following engines:

1. Renault RS3 3.5 V10
2. Ford HB5 3.5 V8
3. Lamborghini 3512 3.5 V12

Miguel98 wrote:Does Gachot count as a French driver since he has more nationalities than normal people does?

Yes, I'm sure he could be convinced to race under the French flag if it helped him secure a drive

pycku wrote:are budgets on first page updated?

They are now

Hermann95 wrote:If i'm up to date this means that Coloni and Lotus are without manager for 91 right now. Is that true?

Yes, as well as the new Jordan & Lambo teams, take your pick

If no one who is in front of me on the waiting list takes Jordan i'll take them.

I will like to take Lambo then

Anybody else want to try and get Ferrari engines for 1991.

roblomas52 wrote:Anybody else want to try and get Ferrari engines for 1991.

Life wants to do a deal.

We'd like the Ferrari engines, an in exchange, Ferrari gets to decide the entire driving lineup of the Life team. But we get to negotiate the contracts for said drivers. Deal?

Hermann95 wrote:If no one who is in front of me on the waiting list takes Jordan i'll take them.

Normal32 wrote:I will like to take Lambo then

Ok, welcome to the series then

Pre-Qualifying - Belgium


1. Nigel Mansell (GBR)Dallara - Ford 2m 01.561 sec
2. Alex Caffi (ITA) Dallara - Ford 2m 02.492 sec (+0.931 sec)
3. Thierry Boutsen (BEL) Arrows - Ford 2m 03.345 (+1.784 sec)
4. Stefano Modena (ITA) EuroBrun - Judd 2m 03.802 sec (+2.241 sec)
5. Eric Bernard (FRA) Arrows - Ford 2m 03.805 sec (+2.244 sec)
6. Pedro Chaves (POR) Osella - Ford 2m 03.855 sec (+2.294 sec)
7. Stefan Johansson (SWE) Onyx - Ford 2m 03.865 sec (+2.304 sec)
8. Derek Warwick (GBR) Leyton House - Judd 2m 04.553 sec (+2.992 sec)
9. Gabriele Tarquini (ITA) Leyton House - Judd 2m 04.622 sec (+3.061 sec)
10. Pierre-Henri Raphanel (FRA) Osella - Ford 2m 04.734 sec (+3.173 sec)
11. Eddie Irvine (GBR) AGS - Ford 2m 05.109 sec (+3.548 sec)
12. Karl Wendlinger (AUT) Onyx - Ford 2m 05.308 sec (+3.747 sec)
13. Bertrand Gachot (BEL) AGS - Ford 2m 05.417 sec (+3.856 sec)
14. Fabrizio Giovanardi (ITA) EuroBrun - Judd 2m 05.494 sec (+3.933 sec)
15. Andrea de Cesaris (ITA) Life 2m 05.525 sec (+3.964 sec)
16. Satoru Nakajima (JAP) Life 2m 06.159 sec (+4.598 sec)
17. Claudio Langes (ITA) Coloni - Subaru 2m 06.163 sec (+4.602 sec)
18. Hitoshi Ogawa (JAP) Coloni - Subaru 2m 06.525 sec (+4.964 sec)

So making it through we have Dallara, Arrows, EuroBrun & Osella

Qualifiying - Belgium

With Ayrton Senna still sidelined it was Alain Prost who took another pole position from Johnny Herbert with his best qualifying of the year in second. Championship leader Gerhard Berger is third alongside Nelson Piquet in the Benetton. Alessandro Nannini came in fifth for Williams and Mika Hakkinen got sixth for Ferrari. Failing to qualify this week was Pierre-Henri Raphanel in the Osella and surprisingly Julian Bailey in the Lotus.

Results

1. Alain Prost (FRA) McLaren - Honda 2m 00.232 sec
2. Johnny Herbert (GBR) Ferrari 2m 00.731 sec (+0.499 sec)
3. Gerhard Berger (AUT) McLaren - Honda 2m 00.962 sec (+0.730 sec)
4. Nelson Piquet (BRA) Benetton - Ford 2m 01.100 sec (+0.868 sec)
5. Alessandro Nannini (ITA) Williams - Renault 2m 01.134 sec (+0.902 sec)
6. Mika Häkkinen (FIN) Ferrari 2m 01.263 sec (+1.031 sec)
7. Jean Alesi (FRA) Williams - Renault 2m 01.268 sec (+1.036 sec)
8. Riccardo Patrese (ITA) Tyrrell - Ford 2m 01.380 sec (+1.148 sec)
9. Nigel Mansell (GBR) Dallara - Ford 2m 01.448 sec (+1.216 sec)
10. Pierluigi Martini (ITA) Tyrrell - Ford 2m 01.685 sec (+1.453 sec)
11. Roberto Moreno (BRA) Benetton - Ford 2m 02.078 sec (+1.846 sec)
12. Michele Alboreto (ITA) Ligier - Ford 2m 02.368 sec (+2.136 sec)
13. Micheal Schumacher (GER) Ligier - Ford 2m 02.539 sec (+2.307 sec)
14. Alex Caffi (ITA) Dallara - Ford 2m 02.592 sec (+2.360 sec)
15. Ivan Capelli (ITA) Minardi - Ford 2m 02.942 sec (+2.710 sec)
16. JJ Lehto (FIN) Lola - Lamborghini 2m 03.114 sec (+2.882 sec)
17. Gary Brabham (AUS) Brabham - Judd 2m 03.227 sec (+2.995 sec)
18. Eddie Cheever (USA) Lotus - Lamborghini 2m 03.295 (+3.036 sec)
19. Thierry Boutsen (BEL) Arrows - Ford 2m 03.458 sec (+3.226 sec)
20. Eric Bernard (FRA) Arrows - Ford 2m 03.974 sec (+3.742 sec)
21. Stefano Modena (ITA) EuroBrun - Judd 2m 04.118 sec (+3.886 sec)
22. David Brabham (AUS) Lola - Lamborghini 2m 04.337 sec (+4.105 sec)
23. Mario Andretti (USA) Minardi - Ford 2m 04.453 sec (+4.221 sec)
24. Pedro Chaves (POR) Osella - Ford 2m 04.491 sec (+4.259 sec)
25. Fabrizio Giovanardi (ITA) EuroBrun - Judd 2m 04.571 sec (+4.339 sec)
26. Thomas Danielsson (SWE) Brabham - Judd 2m 04.574 sec (+4.342 sec)
DNQ Pierre-Henri Raphanel (FRA) Osella - Ford 2m 04.807 sec (+4.575 sec)
DNQ Julian Bailey (GBR) Lotus - Lamborghini 2m 04.970 sec (+4.738 sec)

Race - Belgium

Johnny Herbert took the first victory of his career for Ferrari after Alain Prost suffered an Engine failure while leading. Gerhard Berger came in second, less than a second behind Herbert, to extend his championship lead. Jean Alesi kept himself in the Championship hunt with the final podium position. Nigel Mansell came in fourth for Dallara, who seem to be turning their season around. Nannini came fifth for Williams and Schumacher got sixth, continuing Ligier's good season

Results

1. Johnny Herbert (GBR) Ferrari 1h 51 mins 20.445 sec
2. Gerhard Berger (AUT) McLaren - Honda (+0.845 sec)
3. Jean Alesi (FRA) Williams - Renault (+25.857 sec)
4. Nigel Mansell (GBR) Dallara - Ford (+37.227 sec)
5. Alessandro Nannini (ITA) Williams - Renault (+58.050 sec)
6. Micheal Schumacher (GER) Ligier - Ford (+2m 02.941 sec)
7. Mika Häkkinen (FIN) Ferrari (+1 Lap)
8. Ivan Capelli (ITA) Minardi - Ford (+1 Lap)
9. Alex Caffi (ITA) Dallara - Ford (+1 Lap)
10. Roberto Moreno (BRA) Benetton - Ford (+1 Lap)
11. Eric Bernard (FRA) Arrows - Ford (+1 Lap)
12. Michele Alboreto (ITA) Ligier - Ford (+1 Lap)
13. Pedro Chaves (POR) Osella - Ford (+2 Laps)
14. Mario Andretti (USA) Minardi - Ford (+3 Laps)
15. Thomas Danielsson (SWE) Brabham - Judd (+5 Laps)
DNF David Brabham (AUS) Lola - Lamborghini (Transmission)
DNF Riccardo Patrese (ITA) Tyrrell - Ford (Transmission)
DNF Alain Prost (FRA) McLaren - Honda (Engine)
DNF JJ Lehto (FIN) Lola - Lamborghini (Engine)
DNF Fabrizio Giovanardi (ITA) EuroBrun - Judd (Transmission)
DNF Nelson Piquet (BRA) Benetton - Ford (Loose Wheel)
DNF Pierluigi Martini (ITA) Tyrrell - Ford (Transmission)
DNF Stefano Modena (ITA) EuroBrun - Judd (Puncture)
DNF Gary Brabham (AUS) Brabham - Judd (Loose Wheel)
DNF Thierry Boutsen (BEL) Arrows - Ford (Loose Wheel)
DNF Eddie Cheever (USA) Lotus - Lamborghini (Didn't Finish)

Drivers Championship
1 Gerhard Berger 56
2 Jean Alesi 40
3 Alain Prost 38
4 Johnny Herbert 22
5 Ayrton Senna 19
6 Pierluigi Martini 15
7 Roberto Moreno 11
8 Nelson Piquet 10
9 Ivan Capelli 10
10 Michele Alboreto 10
11 Riccardo Patrese 7
12 Nigel Mansell 7
13 Michael Schumacher 7
14 Mika Häkkinen 6
15 Eddie Cheever 6
16 Alessandro Nannini 5
17 JJ Lehto 5
18 Gary Brabham 4
19 Alex Caffi 3
20 Stefan Johansson 2
21 Thomas Danielsson 1
22 Thierry Boutsen 1
23 Stefano Modena 1

Constructors Championship
McLaren - Honda 94
Ferrari 47
Williams - Renault 45
Tyrrell - Ford 22
Benetton - Ford 21
Ligier - Ford 17
Minardi - Ford 10
Dallara - Ford 10
Lotus - Lamborghini 6
Lola - Lamborghini 5
Brabham - Judd 5
Onyx - Ford 2
Arrows - Ford 1
EuroBrun - Judd 1

Finally, the teams will be staying at Spa for the final free test of the season, so same rules as before apply.

AGS is looking for a medium Power Upgrade and a Medium Grip upgrade.

Lola will do medium reliability and grip

Medium Grip & Reliablity upgrades for EuroBrun, please.

Huzzah! 225 posts!

Ferari would like 2 medium power upgrades please

Medium reliability and power upgrade for Mclaren.

Dallara got both cars to the end!

Medium speed upgrade if finances allow for the next round of testing please

Medium reliability and power for arrows please

Darn

Belgium - Testing

Results

1. Michael Andretti (USA) Minardi - Ford 2m 01.973 sec
2. Martin Donnelly (GBR) Tyrrell - Ford (+0.107 sec)
3. Aguri Suzuki (JAP) Arrows - Ford (+0.293 sec)
4. Érik Comas (FRA) Benetton - Ford (+0.352 sec)
5. Mika Häkkinen (FIN) McLaren - Honda (+0.445 sec)
6. Emanuele Pirro (ITA) Lola - Lamborghini (+0.564 sec)
7. Andrea Chiesa (SWI) Life (+0.615 sec)
8. Christian Fittipaldi (BRA) Dallara - Ford (+1.100 sec)
9. Eric van de Poele (BEL) Williams - Renault (+1.137 sec)
10. Nicola Larini (ITA) Ferrari (+1.240 sec)
11. Marco Apicella (ITA) AGS - Ford (+1.262 sec)
12. Luis Pérez-Sala (SPA) Ligier - Ford (+1.429 sec)
13. Gregor Foitek (SWI) Onyx - Ford (+1.481 sec)
14. Jean-Louis Schlesser (FRA) EuroBrun - Judd (+1.488 sec)
15. Phillippe Alliot (FRA) Lotus - Lamborghini (+1.532 sec)
16. Gil de Ferran (SWI) Leyton House - Judd (+1.936 sec)
17. Franco Scapini (ITA) Osella - Ford (+2.020 sec)
18. Bernard Jourdain (MEX) Coloni - Subaru (+2.298 sec)
19. Stéphane Proulx (CAN) Brabham - Judd (+2.352 sec)

RNG

Minardi 2-20 ...3 Upgrade Successful
Tyrrell 3-20 ...10 Upgrade Successful
Arrows 4-20 ...8 Upgrade Successful
Benetton 5-20 ...2 Upgrade Failed
McLaren 6-20 ...15 Upgrade Successful
Lola 7-20 ...20 Upgrade Successful
Life 8-20 ...8 Upgrade Successful
Dallara 9-20 ...1 Upgrade Failed
Williams 10-20 ...13 Upgrade Successful
Ferrari 11-20 ...18 Upgrade Successful
AGS 12-20 ...17 Upgrade Successful
Ligier 13-20 ...13 Upgrade Successful
Onyx 14-20 ...15 Upgrade Successful
EuroBrun 15-20 ...10 Upgrade Failed
Lotus 16-20 ...7 Upgrade Failed
Leyton House 17-20 ...15 Upgrade Failed
Osella 18-20 ...18 Upgrade Successful
Coloni 19-20 ...12 Upgrade Failed
Brabham 20 ...8 Upgrade Failed

So a very successful testing session at Spa, with 12 teams successfully upgrading their cars

Let's see... This upgrade, hopefully, will take us a step closer to getting out of Pre-Qualifying.