Grand Prix Rejects

dinizintheoven wrote:...which is still incomplete, and there's one I can't believe has been left off even at this stage.

Roland Ratzenberger?!

Also, I just Googled Nicola Larini. Although he's done a fair bit of touring car racing, it looks like BTCC wasn't one of those rounds. But Tiff Needell appears to be another eligible answer...

Gabriele Tarquini
Nigel Mansell
Derek Warwick
Jonathan Palmer
Tiff Needel
Martin Donnelly
David Brabham
Joachim Winklehock
Julian Bailey
Gianni Morbidelli
Johnny Herbert
Christian Danner
Johnny Cecotto
Jan Lammers
Eric van der Poele
Jean Christope Bullion

At this stage, peteroli34 has 16 of the names on my list. And, if I'd had a casual look over the complete list of drivers from 1991-2015, that's the list I'd have come up with.

However, I had a look at every single driver's Wikipedia page, apart from a few circa 1991-95 who are still red links...

...and there's one name missing.

So tommykl came up with eight of the names, Miguel98 added three more, peteroli put in another five, and I will award 10 points to whoever fills in the last name, so it's all to play for.

I will award ONE MILLION POINTS to anyone who can answer the bonus question.

dinizintheoven wrote:At this stage, peteroli34 has 16 of the names on my list. And, if I'd had a casual look over the complete list of drivers from 1991-2015, that's the list I'd have come up with.

However, I had a look at every single driver's Wikipedia page, apart from a few circa 1991-95 who are still red links...

...and there's one name missing.

So tommykl came up with eight of the names, Miguel98 added three more, peteroli put in another five, and I will award 10 points to whoever fills in the last name, so it's all to play for.

I will award ONE MILLION POINTS to anyone who can answer the bonus question.

ROLAND RATZENBERGER !!!!

Plus bonus question, I'm guessing one from Steve Soper, Tim Harvey or John Cleland, and out of those, I'm Guessing... Tim Harvey.

dr-baker wrote:ROLAND RATZENBERGER !!!!

Whether you're answering for the missing name or the bonus question, you are absolutely...

...wrong!

Yes, Roland did race in the BTCC, but it was in 1988, before the Super Touring era. If I had to list every F1 driver who'd competed in the BTCC or BSCC or whatever they called it in 1958, the list would be as long as the Great Wall of China.

dinizintheoven wrote:

dr-baker wrote:ROLAND RATZENBERGER !!!!

Whether you're answering for the missing name or the bonus question, you are absolutely...

...wrong!

Yes, Roland did race in the BTCC, but it was in 1988, before the Super Touring era..

Ooops, sorry! How did I miss that detail?!?!?

(Oh, and I have edited my previous answer to guess at the bonus question! )

No idea who the last f1 driver is but i will say it was someone British as for the bonus question im going to guess at Andy Rouse

I'll take a gamble and say David Coulthard.

Ian Ashley?

I remember when I was first getting my hands on things like race results from the 1970s and stuff thinking "surely not the BTCC driver?"

For the bonus question I'm going to guess Matt Neal. Although given the million points on offer I worry that might be too obvious an answer and be one of the more obscure privateers of that era.

Since I think that Ashley is the correct answer, I'm going to say the bonus question answer is Kelvin Burt

MorbidelliObese wrote:Ian Ashley?

TEN POINTS!
Ian Ashley raced for several unsuccessful teams from 1974-77 - Frank Williams Racing Cars and the post-Hesketh Hesketh among them. This was definitely the hardest one to get, and you should now argue with Tommy as to who gets to ask the next question.

As for the bonus:

dr-baker wrote:Plus bonus question, I'm guessing one from Steve Soper, Tim Harvey or John Cleland, and out of those, I'm Guessing... Tim Harvey.

No, no, and no.

peteroli34 wrote:as for the bonus question im going to guess at Andy Rouse

Niet.

tommykl wrote:I'll take a gamble and say David Coulthard.

If that was an answer for the last of the 17 F1/BTCC drivers (before MorbidelliObese got it right), then you are right in that DC drove in the BTCC, which many people forget. But that was 1990.
If this was an answer for the bonus question then it wasnae right.

MorbidelliObese wrote:For the bonus question I'm going to guess Matt Neal. Although given the million points on offer I worry that might be too obvious an answer and be one of the more obscure privateers of that era.

You'd be right in that it wasn't obvious. It wasn't Matt Neal. But there is one, slight, tiny detail that Matt Neal shares with the correct answer. That's all I'll say. And it's a bit more than "he's got an E in his name" or "he drives in the BTCC".

Miguel98 wrote:Since I think that Ashley is the correct answer, I'm going to say the bonus question answer is Kelvin Burt

And you're right that Ian Ashley was the right answer, but not about the bonus.

Seeing as this thread is getting some answers, this evening, I'll let you all have some more guesses until midnight when I will reveal the answer. And if anyone does get the right answer, that will instantly trump the Tommy/MO battle for the next question because it's worth ONE MILLION POINTS.

dinizintheoven wrote:You'd be right in that it wasn't obvious. It wasn't Matt Neal. But there is one, slight, tiny detail that Matt Neal shares with the correct answer. That's all I'll say. And it's a bit more than "he's got an E in his name" or "he drives in the BTCC".

I going to say that they both drove for the same team as teammates David Leslie?

Robb Gravett? (both fellow BTCC ST independents champ, and one of Neal's few Team Dynamics teammates during their time as an ST independent)

Keep going...

40 minutes remain!

While all this is going on, I've decided to give tommykl the point on the basis that he did name the most drivers. Carry on

im going to take another guess at Anthony Ried on the basis that both he and Matt Neal drove a Nissan Primera in the BTCC

And still the answers come, and still none of them are right. Maybe one of you will get it in the next 17 minutes...

I'm probably pushing the Matt Neal link too much, but since I can't think of any other really really really really really really tall BTCC drivers off the top of my head, I'm going to take a shot with James Kaye (fellow multiple privateer champion)

TIME'S UP!

For those of you who had no idea, Beadle's Hot Shots wasn't him playing his usual pranks on unsuspecting people or showing an dog on an skateboard that accidentally sets itself on fire - it was inviting the public to make some kind of extremely low-budget short films (very short!) of the kind you'd expect to see on YouTube before there was any such thing. See this real-life Super Smash Bros for a fine example, except that they'd reject anything that was so obviously Nintendo-and-Sega-trademarks related.

And one day I remember the miniature-handed prankster announce "this week, we've got a submission from Eugene O'Brien, who's a racing driver by day, but in the evening he's HARD AS NAILS!" And I thought: surely that couldn't be the same Eugene O'Brien I remember from the BTCC earlier in the 90s? It was. Most of it consisted of Young Ones / Bottom style slap-fights after which Eugene would scream "HARD AS NAILS!" at the camera, so we're not talking Oscar-grade material here...

And the Matt Neal connection? In the 1993 BTCC season, Matt Neal briefly had number 13 on his car at a time when it was Just Not Done (and still wasn't until Pastor Maldonado made it his number of choice recently) - he switched to his usual 77 soon afterwards. And in 1994, Eugene O'Brien switched to 13 for the whole season (bar round 2 where he didn't compete).

So there's your answer. I've unearthed a few other very weird bits of trivia in the search for my questions here, so if I can get another answer right I'll give you an easy one next time.

Rather than one that's HARD AS NAILS!

Nicely done - I was aware of O'Brien running 13 on his Peugeot but not of Neal doing the same - I only started watching the BTCC mid-1993, can't remember the exact race but it was at around the point when Winkelhock had hit his stride and Radisich and the Mondeo had just shown up.

Racking my brains I don't have a clear memory of Hot Shots either, sadly the one day my dad somehow managed to obtain the afternoon-long loan of a camcorder I just did some silly stuff and then and the only Beadle-related thing on my mind was to run around the room shouting "I'M GOING TO BE ON YOU'VE BEEN FRAMED!!*"

(*I wasn't.)

Right then.

What would the 2016 F1 calendar look like if every Grand Prix was held at its original venue?*

*In the case of the European GP, I'm only counting it from its time as a standalone event, not as an honourary designation.

1. Australia - Adelaide
2. Bahrain - Sakhir
3. Chinese - Shanghai
4. Russia - Sochi
5. Spain - Pedralbes
6. Monaco - Monte-Carlo
7. Canada - Mosport Park
8. Europe - Brands Hatch
9. Austria - Zeltweg Airfield
10. British - Silverstone
11. Hungary - Hungaroring
12. Germany - Nurburgring Nordscheleife
13. Belgium - Spa
14. Italy - Monza (combined layout)
15. Singapore - Marina Bay
16. Malaysia - Sepang
17. Japan - Fuji
18. USA - Indy
19. Mexico - Magdalena Mixhuca
20. Brazil - Interlagos
21. Abu Dhabi - Yas Marina

Normal32 wrote:1. Australia - Adelaide
2. Bahrain - Sakhir
3. Chinese - Shanghai
4. Russia - Sochi
5. Spain - Pedralbes
6. Monaco - Monte-Carlo
7. Canada - Mosport Park
8. Europe - Brands Hatch
9. Austria - Zeltweg Airfield
10. British - Silverstone
11. Hungary - Hungaroring
12. Germany - Nurburgring Nordscheleife
13. Belgium - Spa
14. Italy - Monza (combined layout)
15. Singapore - Marina Bay
16. Malaysia - Sepang
17. Japan - Fuji
18. USA - Indy
19. Mexico - Magdalena Mixhuca
20. Brazil - Interlagos
21. Abu Dhabi - Yas Marina

Almost correct. Monza didn't use the combined layout in 1950. It had fallen out of use before being revamped a few years later. However, the venue for Italy is still correct, as the question isn't concerned with specific layouts. That said, one of the other venues is incorrect.

Simtek wrote:

Normal32 wrote:1. Australia - Adelaide
2. Bahrain - Sakhir
3. Chinese - Shanghai
4. Russia - Sochi
5. Spain - Pedralbes
6. Monaco - Monte-Carlo
7. Canada - Mosport Park
8. Europe - Brands Hatch
9. Austria - Zeltweg Airfield
10. British - Silverstone
11. Hungary - Hungaroring
12. Germany - Nurburgring Nordscheleife
13. Belgium - Spa
14. Italy - Monza (combined layout)
15. Singapore - Marina Bay
16. Malaysia - Sepang
17. Japan - Fuji
18. USA - Indy
19. Mexico - Magdalena Mixhuca
20. Brazil - Interlagos
21. Abu Dhabi - Yas Marina

Almost correct. Monza didn't use the combined layout in 1950. It had fallen out of use before being revamped a few years later. However, the venue for Italy is still correct, as the question isn't concerned with specific layouts. That said, one of the other venues is incorrect.

Indy? Then its Sebring?

The indy 500 wasnt designated the US GP so it would be at Sebring

Australian GP - Philipp Island (no, not the current circuit, but a freaking 10 km rectangle!)
Bahrain GP - Sakhir (no change here)
Chinese GP - Shanghai (no change either)
Russian GP - Saint Petersburg (on a circuit last used 102 years ago!)
Spanish GP - Guadarrama (was a sportscar race though; so if we only count Grand Prix cars, it would go to Sitges-Terramar)
Monaco GP - Monte Carlo (even though the first race was 87 years ago, the circuit is almost the same)
Canadian GP - Mosport Park
European GP - Brands Hatch (first run in 1983)
Austrian GP - Zeltweg Airfield
British GP - Brooklands (a bit difficult to race there now, though )
Hungarian GP - Népliget (not Hungaroring, thanks to one race in 1936, after which the Hungarian GP disappeared for 50 years)
German GP - AVUS (you think the 8km version was crazy? This one has 19km!)
Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps (The 15km triangle - but without Eau Rouge)
Italian GP - Brescia
Singapore GP - Thomson Road (A circuit that killed 7 drivers in 11 races)
Malaysian GP - Shah Alam circuit
Japannese GP - Suzuka, first race held in 1963
USA GP - Savannah (I bet modern drivers would enjoy a 25 mile circuit )
Mexican GP - Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez (With the Peraltada. The banked version.)
Brazilian GP - Interlagos (the layout Kimi tried to use)
Abu Dhabi GP - Yas Marina (no change)

Normal32 wrote:

Simtek wrote:

Normal32 wrote:1. Australia - Adelaide
2. Bahrain - Sakhir
3. Chinese - Shanghai
4. Russia - Sochi
5. Spain - Pedralbes
6. Monaco - Monte-Carlo
7. Canada - Mosport Park
8. Europe - Brands Hatch
9. Austria - Zeltweg Airfield
10. British - Silverstone
11. Hungary - Hungaroring
12. Germany - Nurburgring Nordscheleife
13. Belgium - Spa
14. Italy - Monza (combined layout)
15. Singapore - Marina Bay
16. Malaysia - Sepang
17. Japan - Fuji
18. USA - Indy
19. Mexico - Magdalena Mixhuca
20. Brazil - Interlagos
21. Abu Dhabi - Yas Marina

Almost correct. Monza didn't use the combined layout in 1950. It had fallen out of use before being revamped a few years later. However, the venue for Italy is still correct, as the question isn't concerned with specific layouts. That said, one of the other venues is incorrect.

Indy? Then its Sebring?

And now it's correct

pi314159 wrote:Australian GP - Philipp Island (no, not the current circuit, but a freaking 10 km rectangle!)
Bahrain GP - Sakhir (no change here)
Chinese GP - Shanghai (no change either)
Russian GP - Saint Petersburg (on a circuit last used 102 years ago!)
Spanish GP - Guadarrama (was a sportscar race though; so if we only count Grand Prix cars, it would go to Sitges-Terramar)
Monaco GP - Monte Carlo (even though the first race was 87 years ago, the circuit is almost the same)
Canadian GP - Mosport Park
European GP - Brands Hatch (first run in 1983)
Austrian GP - Zeltweg Airfield
British GP - Brooklands (a bit difficult to race there now, though )
Hungarian GP - Népliget (not Hungaroring, thanks to one race in 1936, after which the Hungarian GP disappeared for 50 years)
German GP - AVUS (you think the 8km version was crazy? This one has 19km!)
Belgian GP - Spa-Francorchamps (The 15km triangle - but without Eau Rouge)
Italian GP - Brescia
Singapore GP - Thomson Road (A circuit that killed 7 drivers in 11 races)
Malaysian GP - Shah Alam circuit
Japannese GP - Suzuka, first race held in 1963
USA GP - Savannah (I bet modern drivers would enjoy a 25 mile circuit )
Mexican GP - Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez (With the Peraltada. The banked version.)
Brazilian GP - Interlagos (the layout Kimi tried to use)
Abu Dhabi GP - Yas Marina (no change)

Ah, I may have misread your question in the chat Although reading it now makes me almost wish I went with this question instead, because it makes for a much more insane calendar! Also, the first Malaysian GP was at Thomson Road before Singapore became independent, so we'd have back-to-back races at the same track!

Nice.
Name all Italian F1 teams that had either support from a Italian manufacturer or they made their own engines at some point.So pretty much, if they exist (or existed) as a car company, they had support from a chassis/engine manufacturer or they made their own engines, it counts. However, if they rebadged their engine, it doesn't.

Normal32 wrote:Nice.
Name all Italian F1 teams that had either support from a Italian manufacturer or they made their own engines at some point.So pretty much, if they exist (or existed) as a car company, they had support from a chassis/engine manufacturer or they made their own engines, it counts. However, if they rebadged their engine, it doesn't.

Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Life, OSCA, Lancia, Maserati, Cisitalia, Modena Team, De Tomaso. Dallara/Scuderia Italia should count too, as "chassis manufacturer".
Further, I'm not sure about Iso-Marlboro, as a non-Italian team yet supported by an Italian manufacturer.

Ferrari
Life
Modena Lamborghni
Alfa Romeo
Cistallia
De Tamaoso
Lancia
Tecno
Maserati
OSCA

I'm guessing that Fondmetal doesn't count due to the fact that the 2000 Minardi engine was just a rebadged Cosworth unit?

Osella (even though badged engines don't count, that only covers 1988, their 1983-87 cars had Alfa Romeo engines, plus the '88 Osella was a rebadged Alfa anyway so maybe it does). And Tecno that built their own engines for as long as they lasted in F1.

That's all I can think of right now though in addition to the above.

novitopoli wrote:

Normal32 wrote:Nice.
Name all Italian F1 teams that had either support from a Italian manufacturer or they made their own engines at some point.So pretty much, if they exist (or existed) as a car company, they had support from a chassis/engine manufacturer or they made their own engines, it counts. However, if they rebadged their engine, it doesn't.

Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, Life, OSCA, Lancia, Maserati, Cisitalia, Modena Team, De Tomaso. Dallara/Scuderia Italia should count too, as "chassis manufacturer".
Further, I'm not sure about Iso-Marlboro, as a non-Italian team yet supported by an Italian manufacturer.

All of them are correct. However, there are four missing there.

And i don't count Iso-Marlboro.

peteroli34 wrote:Ferrari
Life
Modena Lamborghni
Alfa Romeo
Cistallia
De Tamaoso
Lancia
Tecno
Maserati
OSCA

Another one with three missing, although Tecno was one of the ones Novitopoli missed.

Simtek wrote:I'm guessing that Fondmetal doesn't count due to the fact that the 2000 Minardi engine was just a rebadged Cosworth unit?

Nope.

MorbidelliObese wrote:Osella (even though badged engines don't count, that only covers 1988, their 1983-87 cars had Alfa Romeo engines, plus the '88 Osella was a rebadged Alfa anyway so maybe it does). And Tecno that built their own engines for as long as they lasted in F1.

That's all I can think of right now though in addition to the above.

Osella 1983-87 counts, so now its two missing...

wasnt there an italian team called ATS before the German one came along

peteroli34 wrote:wasnt there an italian team called ATS before the German one came along

Yep, now there is only one missing...

Right! The ill-fated Coloni-Subaru partnership!

novitopoli wrote:Right! The ill-fated Coloni-Subaru partnership!

Since its Subaru is connected to Motori-Moderni, it counts. However, it's still not the one i was talking about.

Normal32 wrote:

novitopoli wrote:Right! The ill-fated Coloni-Subaru partnership!

Since its Subaru is connected to Motori-Moderni, it counts. However, it's still not the one i was talking about.

Benetton as Renault works team in 1996? Did you count Dallara/Scuderia-Italia, either?

Oh wait...Minardi was Motori Moderni's works team back then!