Ataxia wrote: I think it would be nicer if there was something more...intellectually stimulating.
Such as?
Things more intellectually stimulating than the Word Association thread
Talking to mugs of Earl Grey Talking to doors Thinking about talking to doors Talking to Kimi Raikkonen Charles Pic Ordering toe-nail clippings in order of length Head-butting the door 47 times Reading this list Raspberry jam Taking a labrador for a walk Being taken for a walk by an overzealous labrador Putting pencils up your nostrils ....
Ataxia wrote: I think it would be nicer if there was something more...intellectually stimulating.
Such as?
Things more intellectually stimulating than the Word Association thread
Talking to mugs of Earl Grey Talking to doors Thinking about talking to doors Talking to Kimi Raikkonen Charles Pic Ordering toe-nail clippings in order of length Head-butting the door 47 times Reading this list Raspberry jam Taking a labrador for a walk Being taken for a walk by an overzealous labrador Putting pencils up your nostrils ....
Continued ad infinitum
CoopsII wrote: And yet you both post in the thread.
To be fair, I'd completed everything on the list, and F1 Deprivation was beginning to set in. I had no choice really
On a more serious matter, there is a possibility that I will be in Bologna the weekend of 13th/14th September next year. Anybody know if there will be anything happening at Imola that weekend (even if it is just some club meeting using the track)?
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
dinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
I have no idea about that but the mention of Imola reminds me I'm kinda relieved theres no GP next year. Dont get me wrong, ill be marking the 20th anniversary of Senna's death but not racing at Imola means we'll be spared every man and his dog trying to get in on the act. Particulary as significant as it was in real human terms it was no more or less significant than Ratzenbergers death, and no one will be out selling t-shirts with his logo on it. Sadly.
CoopsII wrote:I have no idea about that but the mention of Imola reminds me I'm kinda relieved theres no GP next year. Dont get me wrong, ill be marking the 20th anniversary of Senna's death but not racing at Imola means we'll be spared every man and his dog trying to get in on the act. Particulary as significant as it was in real human terms it was no more or less significant than Ratzenbergers death, and no one will be out selling t-shirts with his logo on it. Sadly.
We should definitely as a site/forum try to get something going online to commemorate Ratzenberger appropriately. No idea what we could do but as the custodians of the forgotten men at the back of the grid I think it'd be nice, as a counterpart to the Senna-mania (not to make light of it) that's likely next April/May.
I suggested a community podcast when Murray Walker had his 90th birthday; maybe it should be done in late April instead.
James Allen, on his favourite F1 engine of all time: "...the Life W12, I can't describe the noise to you, but imagine filling your dustbin with nuts and bolts, and then throwing it down the stairs, it was something akin to that!"
CoopsII wrote:I have no idea about that but the mention of Imola reminds me I'm kinda relieved theres no GP next year. Dont get me wrong, ill be marking the 20th anniversary of Senna's death but not racing at Imola means we'll be spared every man and his dog trying to get in on the act. Particulary as significant as it was in real human terms it was no more or less significant than Ratzenbergers death, and no one will be out selling t-shirts with his logo on it. Sadly.
We should definitely as a site/forum try to get something going online to commemorate Ratzenberger appropriately. No idea what we could do but as the custodians of the forgotten men at the back of the grid I think it'd be nice, as a counterpart to the Senna-mania (not to make light of it) that's likely next April/May.
I agree with this. No idea yet what, but I somehow feel it would be appropriate.
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
dinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
CoopsII wrote:I have no idea about that but the mention of Imola reminds me I'm kinda relieved theres no GP next year. Dont get me wrong, ill be marking the 20th anniversary of Senna's death but not racing at Imola means we'll be spared every man and his dog trying to get in on the act. Particulary as significant as it was in real human terms it was no more or less significant than Ratzenbergers death, and no one will be out selling t-shirts with his logo on it. Sadly.
We should definitely as a site/forum try to get something going online to commemorate Ratzenberger appropriately. No idea what we could do but as the custodians of the forgotten men at the back of the grid I think it'd be nice, as a counterpart to the Senna-mania (not to make light of it) that's likely next April/May.
I agree with this. No idea yet what, but I somehow feel it would be appropriate.
Well, Roland Ratzenberger was in a Simtek, and people very often forget about his death that weekend. As a fact that he drive a Simtek, a reject car, and the fact he is a reject driver (although not profiled, but I feel that may be rather inappropriate considering the circumstances) means that a lot of people don't seem to care about him very much. I feel that as a site and forum it would be a great idea to commemorate Ratzenberger, as he is one of the fatalities of the San Marino Grand Prix. Now, I know there is an article on Roland in Reject Centrale, but just for the 20th anniversary it's seems like a good idea. Like, maybe a podcast or something like that.
Its a tricky one to get the balance right. If we go too far towards commemorating Ratzenberger to the detriment of Senna we'll not only be doing a disservice to the other guy that died but we may even be guilty of, pardon the expression, ghoulish overkill.
Personally I think Imola 1994 as a whole should be marked, as the whole thing was a bloody nightmare from start to finish. That way we're showing equal respect not only to both drivers but to the other people injured and upset.
And thats always been my point. Every sad little montage of Imola 1994 always carries several highly emotive images of Ayrton Senna, and I do still find them highly emotive, but rarely any mention of the injured spectators, Barrichello and obviously Ratzenberger. He's like a footnote, so maybe we could correct that ourselves, just for once, just for one year.
CoopsII wrote:And thats always been my point. Every sad little montage of Imola 1994 always carries several highly emotive images of Ayrton Senna, and I do still find them highly emotive, but rarely any mention of the injured spectators, Barrichello and obviously Ratzenberger. He's like a footnote, so maybe we could correct that ourselves, just for once, just for one year.
Don't forget the mechanics that were injured due to Albereto's wheel being shed in the pitlane. A very tragic weekend indeed.
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
dinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
Basically a Finnish sport publication ranks the best Finnish motorsportsmen in order!
I started thinking about Häkkinen, then Vettel.. so if Vettel only has won his championships because of Newey the same could be same about Mika. However, that is not the case for me, both are great drivers.
Basically a Finnish sport publication ranks the best Finnish motorsportsmen in order!
I started thinking about Häkkinen, then Vettel.. so if Vettel only has won his championships because of Newey the same could be same about Mika. However, that is not the case for me, both are great drivers.
Despite being a MotoGP fan, I had never heard of Jarno Saarinen. I guess he's the Stefan Bellof of motorcycling.
Basically a Finnish sport publication ranks the best Finnish motorsportsmen in order!
I started thinking about Häkkinen, then Vettel.. so if Vettel only has won his championships because of Newey the same could be same about Mika. However, that is not the case for me, both are great drivers.
Despite being a MotoGP fan, I had never heard of Jarno Saarinen. I guess he's the Stefan Bellof of motorcycling.
Saarinen was a competitor in the 60s and early 70s I believe. Yeah, he can be called the Stefan Bellof of motorcycling, the end of his career came too soon, unfortunately.
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Allard Kalff in 1994 wrote:OH!! Schumacher in the wall! Right in front of us, Michael Schumacher is in the wall! He's hit the pitwall, he c... Ah, it's Jos Verstappen.
Pondering over the 2005 US GP again after reading Friesacher's profile. I'm sure I read a review somewhere which stated that the Michelin-shod teams (or Michelin themselves) proposed they raced, but changed tyres every 10 or so laps.
If this proposal was true and had been enacted, and we assume most of the Michelin cars finish the race, albeit some way off the Ferraris, would they have been disqualified/penalised post-race for changing tyres (because of the ludicrous tyre rules that season), or could they have claimed force majure for a legitimate safety risk? I believe some analysts said McLaren should have done this for Raikkonen at the Nurburgring with his dangerously flatspotted tyre.
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
East Londoner wrote:If this proposal was true and had been enacted, and we assume most of the Michelin cars finish the race, albeit some way off the Ferraris, would they have been disqualified post-race for changing tyres (because of the ludicrous tyre rules that season).
I recall seeing how a Minardi driver got a time penalty for illegally changing tyres, rather than getted DSQed. Yes, Doornbos was handed a 10-second stop/go penalty on his debut for 'changing tyres and refuelling at the same time'. So the Michelin users would be given say, 7 stop-gos if they finished the race, which would cost them about 3/4 minutes or 3 laps!
Check out the position of the sun on 2 August at 20:08 in my garden
Allard Kalff in 1994 wrote:OH!! Schumacher in the wall! Right in front of us, Michael Schumacher is in the wall! He's hit the pitwall, he c... Ah, it's Jos Verstappen.
Was just wondering why the 'Ruined Dreams' thread got locked in the EvdP Forum...
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
dinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
dr-baker wrote:Was just wondering why the 'Ruined Dreams' thread got locked in the EvdP Forum...
My guess is someone called for it to be locked because we have run out of creative ideas, as like for example, my dream of F1 at Bathurst in it's current fantastic layout was thwarted with "People remember when the mountain had trees and grass on it," as it the top of the mountain was all runoff. That was really the most obvious way to ruin my dream there, wasn't it? In fact, I made some of my dreams fairly complex so I could see what creative things people came up with, only to create something ordinary after I forgot a detail. I will admit it became slightly boring.
East Londoner wrote:Pondering over the 2005 US GP again after reading Friesacher's profile. I'm sure I read a review somewhere which stated that the Michelin-shod teams (or Michelin themselves) proposed they raced, but changed tyres every 10 or so laps.
If this proposal was true and had been enacted, and we assume most of the Michelin cars finish the race, albeit some way off the Ferraris, would they have been disqualified/penalised post-race for changing tyres (because of the ludicrous tyre rules that season), or could they have claimed force majure for a legitimate safety risk? I believe some analysts said McLaren should have done this for Raikkonen at the Nurburgring with his dangerously flatspotted tyre.
Given that the proposal specifically states that the Michelin-shod teams needed to pit, I think we can assume that they would not have been subject to a stop-go penalty.
Sebastian Vettel wrote:If I was good at losing, I wouldn't be in Formula 1
dr-baker wrote:Was just wondering why the 'Ruined Dreams' thread got locked in the EvdP Forum...
My guess is someone called for it to be locked because we have run out of creative ideas, as like for example, my dream of F1 at Bathurst in it's current fantastic layout was thwarted with "People remember when the mountain had trees and grass on it," as it the top of the mountain was all runoff. That was really the most obvious way to ruin my dream there, wasn't it? In fact, I made some of my dreams fairly complex so I could see what creative things people came up with, only to create something ordinary after I forgot a detail. I will admit it became slightly boring.
Sounds fair enough. Just seemed a bit weird reading it, only for it to come to a bit of an abrupt end without an explanation.
watka wrote:I find it amusing that whilst you're one of the more openly Christian guys here, you are still first and foremost associated with an eye for the ladies!
dinizintheoven wrote:GOOD CHRISTIANS do not go to jail. EVERYONE ON FORMULA ONE REJECTS should be in jail.
dr-baker wrote:Was just wondering why the 'Ruined Dreams' thread got locked in the EvdP Forum...
My guess is someone called for it to be locked because we have run out of creative ideas, as like for example, my dream of F1 at Bathurst in it's current fantastic layout was thwarted with "People remember when the mountain had trees and grass on it," as it the top of the mountain was all runoff. That was really the most obvious way to ruin my dream there, wasn't it? In fact, I made some of my dreams fairly complex so I could see what creative things people came up with, only to create something ordinary after I forgot a detail. I will admit it became slightly boring.
Sounds fair enough. Just seemed a bit weird reading it, only for it to come to a bit of an abrupt end without an explanation.
For me, it was easy to come with a decent answer, but hard to create a new dream.
dr-baker wrote:Was just wondering why the 'Ruined Dreams' thread got locked in the EvdP Forum...
My guess is someone called for it to be locked because we have run out of creative ideas, as like for example, my dream of F1 at Bathurst in it's current fantastic layout was thwarted with "People remember when the mountain had trees and grass on it," as it the top of the mountain was all runoff. That was really the most obvious way to ruin my dream there, wasn't it? In fact, I made some of my dreams fairly complex so I could see what creative things people came up with, only to create something ordinary after I forgot a detail. I will admit it became slightly boring.
That's quite spot on. Although unlike last time, I didn't consult the thread's original creator (pasta_maldonado) but instead locked it because it was quite clear that people were running out of ideas, and Pasta later agreed on this over IRC. And with the Word Association Thread in place, you now have another place where to vent yourselves on the forum.
Eurosport broadcast for the 1990 Mexican GP prequalifying: "The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
East Londoner wrote:Pondering over the 2005 US GP again after reading Friesacher's profile. I'm sure I read a review somewhere which stated that the Michelin-shod teams (or Michelin themselves) proposed they raced, but changed tyres every 10 or so laps.
If this proposal was true and had been enacted, and we assume most of the Michelin cars finish the race, albeit some way off the Ferraris, would they have been disqualified/penalised post-race for changing tyres (because of the ludicrous tyre rules that season), or could they have claimed force majure for a legitimate safety risk? I believe some analysts said McLaren should have done this for Raikkonen at the Nurburgring with his dangerously flatspotted tyre.
In the case of Kimi at the Nurburgring, the FIA did say that, had McLaren called Kimi in and replaced his tyres, they would have agreed to it on the ground of safety given the size of the flat spot and the fact that he was right down to the canvas, not to mention the fact that the vibrations that were being caused were making the car quite difficult to drive.
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
There wouldn't have been any penalties coming for Michelin-shod tyres if they had just made pit stops for tyres. As far as I can recall, the big problem was left-rear. But in the end, the teams would have probably run out of tyres because IIRC there was two sets of tyres available for qualifying and race.
Remembering also Turkish GP where Williams ran into tyre troubles and both Webber and Heidfeld had two right-rear punctures. Both retired after a second one.
Bleu wrote:There wouldn't have been any penalties coming for Michelin-shod tyres if they had just made pit stops for tyres. As far as I can recall, the big problem was left-rear. But in the end, the teams would have probably run out of tyres because IIRC there was two sets of tyres available for qualifying and race.
Remembering also Turkish GP where Williams ran into tyre troubles and both Webber and Heidfeld had two right-rear punctures. Both retired after a second one.
That went to show that the 2005 rules were good if tyre manufacturers built a competent tyre, which Michelin's tyre wasn't built very well for banked corners. The 2005 rules were good, but Michelin wound up in trouble. Bridgestone did very well in terms of tyre construction, but it lacked pace. It's a year with an arguably mixed grid and results, just based off tyres. Very different to today, and maybe a mixed grid that is better than what happened this year.
Thinking about Vettel's amazing record, I realized that had Ferrari been as consistent and reliable, then Schumacher could have all of the remaining 9 races too.
USA: He won that France: He won that Germany: He won that Hungary: Reading the site's race review, without the incident with Fisichella and the tyre choice fail he could have won Turkey: He didn't the pole due to an error and Massa was P1 instead Italy: He won that China: He won that Japan: Was certain to win before the engine went Brazil: If he hadn't got the fuel pressure issues in quali he would likely have been on pole and dominated the race
Check out the position of the sun on 2 August at 20:08 in my garden
Allard Kalff in 1994 wrote:OH!! Schumacher in the wall! Right in front of us, Michael Schumacher is in the wall! He's hit the pitwall, he c... Ah, it's Jos Verstappen.
good_Ralf wrote:Thinking about Vettel's amazing record, I realized that had Ferrari been as consistent and reliable, then Schumacher could have all of the remaining 9 races too.
USA: He won that France: He won that Germany: He won that Hungary: Reading the site's race review, without the incident with Fisichella and the tyre choice fail he could have won Turkey: He didn't the pole due to an error and Massa was P1 instead Italy: He won that China: He won that Japan: Was certain to win before the engine went Brazil: If he hadn't got the fuel pressure issues in quali he would likely have been on pole and dominated the race
Those are interesting stats there. And to think Schumacher as an 8 time champion is something that doesn't feel right. I personally think that he should only be a 6 time champion. 1994 was just luck. 2003 was partly luck and pure brilliance at once, and he deserved his title, but I will always remain at the mountaintop where Räikkönen should have won, and Michael winning in 2006.
go_Rubens wrote:I will always remain at the mountaintop where Räikkönen should have won, and Michael winning in 2006.
Either that's a turn of phrase I've never heard or someone's had a Google Translate error...
Anyway, I think 1994 was a deserved title for Schumacher (discounting that he should have been disqualified from the championship for hitting Hill deliberately in Adelaide). Considering the amount of races he was disqualified because of the car, it was impressive that he still had more points than Hill, who had a decent car himself. Also, none of Schumacher's team mates did anything remarkable so it wasn't just that the Benetton was the fastest.
If all of the Formula 1 designers all come up with the same ideas separately without knowing what the others are doing, and all F1 cars are unintentionally identical, are they spec cars?
And yet you both post in the thread.
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