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roblomas52 wrote:Murry Walker is the greatest f1 commentator ever

This is not an unpopular opinion. If you said Jonathan Legard is the best F1 Commentator then God Help You mate.

roblomas52 wrote:Murray Walker is the greatest F1 commentator ever.

I highly doubt that's unpopular, although it may be true in some non-English speaking countries...

roblomas52 wrote:Murry Walker is the greatest f1 commentator ever

In the English language yes and I'm yet to find someone who is better.

The Hungarian commentator Palik was famous in his country for using a comic and poetic style of commentating, at least in Hungarian. You should be able to find infinite videos of his voice of YouTube and if you click on his name in my new signature you'll get his instant reaction to the Schumacher incident in Monaco 2004. He is quite funny.
A personal favorite of mine, German Jacques Schulz, is good because he was so dramatic when certain moments happened, usually shouting really loudly and almost screaming. You'll see what I mean again if you click on his name in my signature.
Then there is this anonymous (for the moment) Japanese commentator who does nothing but what Will.I.Am (I call him William) sings in that song. In Japan, whenever there is a massive collision, or something similar, the commentators sound as if they are screaming "SH*T!!!!!!!!" as a reaction to the incident, so whenever you say the S-word in front of other people by accident, you say you were imitating Japanese commentators as an excuse.

Vergne deserves more a Red Bull seat than Ricciardo.

Dj_bereta wrote:Vergne deserves more a Red Bull seat than Ricciardo.

Sainz Jr deserves a Red Bull seat more than Ricciardo or Vergne.

watka wrote:

Dj_bereta wrote:Vergne deserves more a Red Bull seat than Ricciardo.

Sainz Jr deserves a Red Bull seat more than Ricciardo or Vergne.

If he wins a race in GP3 (Which considering there have been 8 different winners from 8 races it's not unlikely) Then i can see him replacing Cecotto at Arden for GP2 and then getting into F1 by 2015 for all i know.

roblomas52 wrote:Murry Walker is the greatest f1 commentator ever

That is probably the least unpopular opinion of all time.

FullMetalJack wrote:

roblomas52 wrote:Murry Walker is the greatest f1 commentator ever

That is probably the least unpopular opinion of all time.

Leave it to roblomas to fail to fully read the title of a thread...

roblomas52 wrote:Murry Walker is the greatest f1 commentator ever

an Unpopular Opinion is where you think someone was bad was actually good. Not where you have an opinion everyone agree's with

An unpopular opinion might be, "OMG, like Jonathan Legard was like totally the best ever commentator that ever lived..." But I don't think that for one iota. Because THAT would be unpopular AND WRONG.

Salamander wrote:

FullMetalJack wrote:

roblomas52 wrote:Murry Walker is the greatest f1 commentator ever

That is probably the least unpopular opinion of all time.

Leave it to roblomas to fail to fully read the title of a thread...

It's still unpopular in my family because i like him and my dad really doesn't.
Jim Rohsental was the worst f1 host in the last 10 years

roblomas52 wrote:Jim Rosenthal was the worst f1 host in the last 10 years

And he was compared to Count von Count on the F1 lookalikes thread.

roblomas52 wrote:Jim Rohsental was the worst f1 host in the last 10 years

Better than the Sky F1 hosts

Fact: Kamui Kobayashi doesn't deserve an F1 seat again.

Reason: He's had his time. He was pretty mega in 2010 true, but last year he was generally out-paced by Perez. Now Sauber's strategy was more in favour of Sergio's careful and conservative style rather than Kamui's typical banzai driving I get that, but if he was a truly solid driver, he'd find a way round this. I don't get this whole "I only know one style of driving" bullcrap I hear from all these so-called World Class drivers. I don't miss Kobayashi, I don't think he should come back, stick to GT or something less difficult.

I don't like Suzuka. It's always an incident waiting to happen

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:I don't like Suzuka. It's always an incident waiting ti happen

If you re-watch the qualifying from 2009, you'll see so many cars on the limit, trying to learn the track with practice being wet, that many fell off the road, especially Glock. But personally, I like Suzuka because it is incredibly challenging. Some say that you might have to hold your breath driving in an F1 car from the first corner to the Degner curves. Others say that if you take a corner the wrong way, the time loss is carried around the whole. In the end, Suzuka, along with Monaco and Spa, is one of the hardest circuits in F1. If you get it right, you can record an incredible grid position (like Kubica in the Renault in 2010 or Kobayashi in the Sauber in 2012) and if you get it wrong, you can have a shockingly bad grid position.
For that Suzuka deserves it's place on the calendar because it is a classic circuit.

I like the new Kyalami, although still not as much as the old one.

good_Ralf wrote:

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:I don't like Suzuka. It's always an incident waiting ti happen

If you re-watch the qualifying from 2009, you'll see so many cars on the limit, trying to learn the track with practice being wet, that many fell off the road, especially Glock. But personally, I like Suzuka because it is incredibly challenging. Some say that you might have to hold your breath driving in an F1 car from the first corner to the Degner curves. Others say that if you take a corner the wrong way, the time loss is carried around the whole. In the end, Suzuka, along with Monaco and Spa, is one of the hardest circuits in F1. If you get it right, you can record an incredible grid position (like Kubica in the Renault in 2010 or Kobayashi in the Sauber in 2012) and if you get it wrong, you can have a shockingly bad grid position.
For that Suzuka deserves it's place on the calendar because it is a classic circuit.

and its also those atributes that make it pretty bloody annoying to drive on the xbox

roblomas52 wrote:and its also those atributes that make it pretty bloody annoying to drive on the xbox

Because my edition of F1 2012 is broken, I have to play Suzuka on Forza 4 and I now always set up my fastest cars, LMPs to the maximum downforce settings. Only in one or two cars can I produce enough downforce and I hit the apex hard enough, I can go through 130R flat out which is so fun to do. I also do races with the opposition at maximum difficulty so when I take 130R flat out, I dangerously close on my opposition, often crashing into them!

AdrianSutil wrote:Fact: Kamui Kobayashi doesn't deserve an F1 seat again.

Reason: He's had his time. He was pretty mega in 2010 true, but last year he was generally out-paced by Perez. Now Sauber's strategy was more in favour of Sergio's careful and conservative style rather than Kamui's typical banzai driving I get that, but if he was a truly solid driver, he'd find a way round this. I don't get this whole "I only know one style of driving" bullcrap I hear from all these so-called World Class drivers. I don't miss Kobayashi, I don't think he should come back, stick to GT or something less difficult.

I wouldn't say that Perez totally had the measure of Kobayashi over the course of the year - in terms of qualifying, Perez may have outqualified Kobayashi 11 times to 9 but, over the course of the season, the average time difference between the two of them was the smallest in the entire field (a few hundredths of a second), and in terms of racking up consistent points finishes, Kobayashi managed to finish in the points more frequently than Perez did. The data shows that, in the races where both drivers finished, Perez beat Kobayashi six times and Kobayashi beat Perez four times, which I would not have said was entirely comprehensive.

Overall, therefore, I would have said that, to a certain extent, Kobayashi seemed be a bit like Heidfeld - whilst he might not necessarily hit the same peaks in performance as Perez did, at the same time the troughs in his performance weren't quite as low either.

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:I don't like Suzuka. It's always an incident waiting to happen

Continuing with another unpopular opinion about Suzuka:

Fuji is a better track for actual F1 than Suzuka.

Dj_bereta wrote:

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:I don't like Suzuka. It's always an incident waiting to happen

Continuing with another unpopular opinion about Suzuka:

Fuji is a better track for actual F1 than Suzuka.

It's too bad both races there (at least in recent years) were marred by monsoons.

(P.S. Motegi is better than both!)

Aerospeed [JerMcC] wrote:

Dj_bereta wrote:

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:I don't like Suzuka. It's always an incident waiting to happen

Continuing with another unpopular opinion about Suzuka:

Fuji is a better track for actual F1 than Suzuka.

It's too bad both races there (at least in recent years) were marred by monsoons.

(P.S. Motegi is better than both!)

IMO Autopolis is better than all 3 of them

You truly appreciate the sight of a Formula One car+driver combo touching its limits on two tracks anymore. Monaco and Suzuka.

Seeing cars approach Casio Triangle side by side at 300kph coming out of 180R is just a beauty to behold (If they're not Hamilton and Massa, obviously.) ; the speed, the narrowness and the thin line between crash and success is what makes it such a great track to watch.

Aerospeed [JerMcC] wrote:

Dj_bereta wrote:

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:I don't like Suzuka. It's always an incident waiting to happen

Continuing with another unpopular opinion about Suzuka:

Fuji is a better track for actual F1 than Suzuka.

It's too bad both races there (at least in recent years) were marred by monsoons.

So Fuji has held the Japanese GP four times in total (twice recently, then '76 and '77). '76 was famously wet too, meaning 75% of races there were in torrential rain!

giraurd wrote:You truly appreciate the sight of a Formula One car+driver combo touching its limits on two tracks anymore. Monaco and Suzuka.

Seeing cars approach Casio Triangle side by side at 300kph coming out of 180R is just a beauty to behold (If they're not Hamilton and Massa, obviously.) ; the speed, the narrowness and the thin line between crash and success is what makes it such a great track to watch.

Or, equally, the first sector in Suzuka, which is said to be one of the best sequence of corners in the tracks currently in use in F1 to see the raw performance of the current cars in terms of cornering speed and agility.

In terms of technical challenge, I would have to say that Suzuka is generally ranked higher than Motegi, Fuji or Autopolis, and the drivers seem to prefer it far more than Fuji at the very least (at least that is what those who drove there and at Suzuka seem to suggest). Personally, I also rather prefer Suzuka to the alternatives posited on the basis that it offers a much more interesting challenge, both technically and from the drivers perspective.

mario wrote:Or, equally, the first sector in Suzuka, which is said to be one of the best sequence of corners in the tracks currently in use in F1 to see the raw performance of the current cars in terms of cornering speed and agility.

First sector times from 2012 qualifying

Sebastian Vettel 32.498
Mark Webber 32.565
Jenson Button 32.719
Fernando Alonso 32.795
Kamui Kobayashi 32.807
Sergio Perez 32.842
Kimi Räikkönen 32.853
Lewis Hamilton 32.960
Romain Grosjean 33.007
Pastor Maldonado 33.136
Paul di Resta 33.149
Nico Hulkenberg 33.153
Bruno Senna 33.164
Felipe Massa 33.258
Michael Schumacher 33.383
Daniel Ricciardo 33.590
Nico Rosberg 33.599
Jean-Eric Vergne 33.704
Timo Glock 34.348
Charles Pic 34.387
Vitaly Petrov 34.398
Heikki Kovalainen 34.452
Pedro de la Rosa 34.457
Narain Karthikeyan 34.721

I can't seem to make neat tables, sorry.

good_Ralf wrote:I can't seem to make neat tables, sorry.

Use the {code} tags and spaces instead of tabs, but bear in mind you'll only get 13 lines before the section sprouts a scroll bar.

dinizintheoven wrote:

good_Ralf wrote:I can't seem to make neat tables, sorry.

Use the {code} tags and spaces instead of tabs, but bear in mind you'll only get 13 lines before the section sprouts a scroll bar.

I tried code tags but I still couldn't produce a table with straight rows and columns.

good_Ralf wrote:

roblomas52 wrote:and its also those atributes that make it pretty bloody annoying to drive on the xbox

Because my edition of F1 2012 is broken, I have to play Suzuka on Forza 4 and I now always set up my fastest cars, LMPs to the maximum downforce settings. Only in one or two cars can I produce enough downforce and I hit the apex hard enough, I can go through 130R flat out which is so fun to do. I also do races with the opposition at maximum difficulty so when I take 130R flat out, I dangerously close on my opposition, often crashing into them!

Been playing GT5 at Suzuka today with a fully tuned F40, with all aids swtiched off and hard sports tyres instead of slicks!!!. Can't even begin to describe how much concentration was required. But equally how amazing the satisfaction was of hooking up a few hot laps. Sideways into turn 1 and through the 130R is an experience that will stay with me for the rest of my life. Defiantly up there with my greatest ever gaming experiences (along with driving a Ferrari 642 on the Nordschleife on rFactor and driving an F1 car around Spa & Monaco whislt in the 'zone').

Also was doing a full distance on F12011 yesterday at Suzuka (in a Williams with a 'handicapped' car setup). And towards the end of the race when the track had 'rubbered in'. Was also a pretty special feeling. You could really throw the F1 car into some of the corners in the 1st sector, like the final one in the 'esses' section before the Degner curves.

mario wrote:Or, equally, the first sector in Suzuka, which is said to be one of the best sequence of corners in the tracks currently in use in F1 to see the raw performance of the current cars in terms of cornering speed and agility.

In terms of technical challenge, I would have to say that Suzuka is generally ranked higher than Motegi, Fuji or Autopolis, and the drivers seem to prefer it far more than Fuji at the very least (at least that is what those who drove there and at Suzuka seem to suggest). Personally, I also rather prefer Suzuka to the alternatives posited on the basis that it offers a much more interesting challenge, both technically and from the drivers perspective.

As usual I agree with you Mario. But gotta say, I absolutely love every corner at Suzuka. I've said this before in the best corners in f1 thread, but I especially like the Degner Curves also. I love the way the 1st part is so instinctive, yet the 2nd part is so technical and one has to be precise on the exit. Then there is the esses section that you mention & turn 1 at Suzuka....(I'll stop there otherwise I'll never stop talking about them).

AdrianSutil wrote:Fact: Kamui Kobayashi doesn't deserve an F1 seat again.

Reason: He's had his time. He was pretty mega in 2010 true, but last year he was generally out-paced by Perez. Now Sauber's strategy was more in favour of Sergio's careful and conservative style rather than Kamui's typical banzai driving I get that, but if he was a truly solid driver, he'd find a way round this. I don't get this whole "I only know one style of driving" bullcrap I hear from all these so-called World Class drivers. I don't miss Kobayashi, I don't think he should come back, stick to GT or something less difficult.

I sort of understand what you're saying, but you'll have to explain to me the bit in bold before I hunt you down and beat you to within an inch of your life with a stick of rhubarb.

good_Ralf wrote:I tried code tags but I still couldn't produce a table with straight rows and columns.

If there are any tabs, delete them; a tab is rendered as a space inside code tags, but as a tab anywhere else. Keep it spaces-only and everything will be fine. It can be rather laborious, as I've found with presenting F1RMGP results since I've been printing them that way, but at least I have TextWrangler that can detab any chunk of text and replace the tabs with spaces - not that it gets the right number every time, though...

Top gears Madrid street circuit is better than the circuit de catalunya

I wish Michael would come back.

Jocke1 wrote:I wish Michael would come back.

Indeed, without Bartels F1 is just not worth a jot.

Jocke1 wrote:I wish Michael would come back.

Andretti? Just kidding!

Well, if only Schumi was in the right place, at the right time like Hamilton and Rosberg are now, I could imagine more poles and possibly wins for him.
Hopefully, Michael doesn't cast a jealous eye to Mercedes's results at the moment.

Jocke1 wrote:I wish Michael would come back.

I think Michael Bleekemolen's getting on a bit now, but it would be pretty cool to see him back...

Jocke1 wrote:I wish Michael would come back.

Yep, Fridays haven't been the same since Ammermuller left

Jocke1 wrote:I wish Michael would come back.

Indeed. I always thought Michael May had the potential to make it big.

Jocke1 wrote:I wish Michael would come back.

Yeah I hope Michael Jordan can beat his son Andrew still